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Kelli Jones May 28, 2014 at 12:33 pm

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DocReits May 29, 2014 at 2:45 am

Hey Robert,

You touch on a very interesting topic,

There are many myths in different societies about the virgins and their ‘god’ children. Stories of these god-men, like Hercules, for example, were understood by most to be myth of legend and not real people, walking upon the earth. Some disagree.

Contrasted to Jesus and His contemporaries wherein we have eye-witness accounts, hundreds of extant manuscripts of Jesus’s life, death and Resurrection, and historical extra-Biblical records of Jesus’s life. We only recently(1961) even have such evidence as Pontius Pilate’s life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_Stone

Here is the man who sentenced Jesus to death, giving corroborative witness to the Biblical account of his existence as prefect in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus’s sentencing.

My point is that Jesus was/is “real”, not myth. We know this by His witness within us for His Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God(Rom 8:16). We know Him and more importantly, He knows us, and calls us by name. “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.(Isa 43:1).

I have often thought that it has been God, through His Holy Spirit, bearing witness to His Great Plan of Salvation, through the method of imprinting His Plan upon the hearts of all men. This then has “become manifest” in these different(although aberrant) behaviors of worship of these virgin born “gods” throughout time, pointing to the True God, Jesus Christ.

That is just speculation, but it does(to me) help explain different cultures worshiping a child, and having similar symbolism, such as a cross, in their worship. All of these things pointing to the True Light.

Bottom line, we are blessed in having God’s fuller revelation, “Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?” (1 Cor 3:16). In the end, that reality, for the Christian, dispels any myth…;-)

Blessings,

DocReits

Robert May 29, 2014 at 1:01 pm

Greetings Doc,
Thanks again for reading and commenting. You’ve hit on something that I too believe, and believe to be biblical. That is, that the knowledge of God is present within everyone. It seems that this is what John is saying in John 1:9 when he writes, “That was the true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world” (KJV). The ESV puts it this way, “The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.” Of course, this verse is talking about Jesus and seems to be saying (if you read on from this verse) that everyone, in some way, knows enough truth to be culpable.

Another verse that seems to me to be important to this topic is John 16:8. Jesus is telling His disciples that the Holy Spirit (the Comforter, the Helper) will come into the world after Jesus leaves. Jesus says, “And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment” (KJV). Again, the ESV (which I like quite a bit) puts it this way, “And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment”.

These passages, along with I Timothy 2:4 which says that God desires all men to be saved and II Peter 3:9 which says that God wants everyone to repent and none to perish, points to the idea that everyone knows enough to know they are accountable to a higher power and that they should investigate just what that means.

One other verse that supports this theory is Romans 2:15 which tells us that Gentiles (non-Jews who do not have the written Law) have the law written on their hearts. God has imprinted the knowledge of Himself, and His moral law, on the consciences of humanity.

Doc, you always make me think a bit deeper on these topics, and I really appreciate it. Iron sharpens iron (Proverbs 27:17). Let me know what you think. God bless you.

Yours in Christ,
Robert

Robert May 29, 2014 at 2:03 pm

Doc,
I just remembered that I had written this article that touches on the same subject. \http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/do-atheists-really-believe-there-is-no-god/
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Bagheera Burnhous July 16, 2017 at 9:33 am

So is it your contention that the Epic of Gilgamesh is a retelling of the Biblical account of the great flood? There are many more similarities between stories in the Bible and ancient beliefs, from the creation at the beginning of the Old Testament, to the life, death, and resurrection of a “savoir” or “messiah”. Claiming the Bible it’s the true and accurate telling of the history of man from God, and that any story from ancient mythology is based upon stories from the Bible, shows a lack of comprehension of theology.
I’m not saying the Bible is a reconstruction of ancient stories that’s been altered to fit with the time it was written. I am simply saying that someone cannot say something is a fact, based on their beliefs, when there is no conclusive supporting evidence to that truthfulness of that belief.
I cannot prove the Bible is just a bunch of stories based off the beliefs of ancient societies, but on the same note, you cannot prove that it isn’t.
The major downfall of every religion in the world today is the brief “I’m right, and everyone else is wrong.” If all religions started saying “I BELIEVE I’m right, and everyone else is wrong, but I might be wrong and everyone else might be right” peace and prosperity would finally be known by all the world because they would finally realize without solid proof, none off us will ever know who’s right or wrong until this life ends, and to cast our fellow man out because of different beliefs that can neither be proven or disproven, is simply assanine.

Jack Wellman July 16, 2017 at 12:30 pm

Thank you for your comment my friend. We don’t have to prove to you or anyone that the Bible is true. That is the Spirit of God’s work, so not all religions are “I’m right and your wrong” but Jesus is the One and only way to the Father (John 6:44) and He is the only way and the only truth and the only life. Since Jesus is God and God cannot lie, then He needs to have no one prove He exists. All men do (Rom 1:29-22). Even you do but won’t admit it. Christianity is not as much a religion as it is a relationship, so if it seems narrow minded to you, be thankful that if there is only one way, but that there is anyway at all to be saved, and unless you believe and repent, you will die with the wrath of God on you (John 3:6). Those are Jesus’ words, not mine. Believe them and live or face God’s wrath (Rev 20:12-15).

Matt August 21, 2019 at 3:03 pm

But the sources for the Pentateuch date from no earlier than the 10th century BC, while the Epic of Gilgamesh was written a thousand years before. Isn’t that proof that the Bible copied from a much older myth.

Jack Wellman August 21, 2019 at 3:25 pm

Hello Matt and thank you for your question. You are way off on the dating as most scholars say it is much older than the 10th Century. The date of authorship is likely between 1440 and 1400 B.C and of course, written by Moses. Portions of the Gilgamesh account (Chaldean Flood Tablets) have been found dating back to 2000 BC or earlier, however, tablets containing the full story actually date it to approximately 650 BC, or well after the Genesis account (c. 1450—1410 BC), so you have these two events backwards, and your statement is false.

Jack Wellman August 21, 2019 at 3:28 pm

The date of authorship of the Pentateuch is likely between 1440 and 1400 B.C., between the time Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt and his death. Portions of the Gilgamesh account (Chaldean Flood Tablets) have been found dating back to 2000 BC or earlier, but tablets containing the full story now place the date to approximately 650 BC, or well after the Genesis account (c. 1450—1410 BC). You have your events backwards in time and this leaves your argument invalid. Many critics of the Bible have for thousands of years have tried to attack the Bible and destroy its credibility, but those who do the arguing find themselves without such. As in your case Matt.





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