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DocReits April 13, 2014 at 12:56 am

Interesting topic Pastor Jack,

I agree that there seems to be two functions for the casting of lots in the Bible, one supernatural and one natural. The natural casting of lots is your Proverbs 18:18 reference which helps settle disputes between factions from items like which brother gets the duty to take out the garbage that night, to which team kicks off and who receives the ball in the Sunday football game. In this instance I would think this Scripture “plays out”(sorry) every day.

The Supernatural casting of lots occurred chronologically for the last time in the Bible in your reference in Acts 1:26 with the choosing of Matthias. It is noteworthy, IMO, that this was immediately followed, in time, with Pentecost(the next verses in the Bible), when the Holy Spirit was shed abroad in the believers’ hearts upon the earth. From that point, in history, God’s Holy Spirit tabernacles or dwells within each believer.

Don’t you believe those same disciples, who had days before, cast lots between Barsabas and Matthias,(if they had waited until after Pentecost), would have had the choice revealed to them, as they sought direction through prayer, by the newly indwelling Holy Spirit? I believe it is this new tabernacling of God within the temples of our flesh(2 Cor 6:16), at Pentecost, which ended any further mention of casting of lots in the Bible. Your thoughts?

Blessings,

DocReits

Jack Wellman April 13, 2014 at 10:12 am

I agree my friend about the new temple or tabernacling (dwelling with or literally “pitching His tent”) inside the believer. As for waiting until after Pentecost that they choice would have been revealed to them, I don’t know but I do know that they way the lots were cast would have surely matched what would have been revealed to them because apostles were not accidental choice and they could not have gotten it wrong either way because God’s sovereignty is an effectual sovereignty. That is, His will is going to happen and His purpose will stand regardless of the council of men. Make sense brother? Thank you.

DocReits April 13, 2014 at 12:13 pm

Thank you for your good reply Pastor Jack,

“That is, His will is going to happen and His purpose will stand regardless of the council of men”

My guess is that there are other articles on this site which deal with this very topic. Could you point those out, if so?

My understanding is that God’s Will is going to ultimately be accomplished as you say. We will see prophecy fulfilled and the consummation of this age occurring just as Scripture foretells. IOW, nothing is going to stop God from being God, and the harvest will be gathered and the wheat and the chaff sifted in the end.

Having said that, the way we travel along the path in getting to that “end point” varies through man’s free will. There are so many examples where men(and women) have sought God’s will and direction only to have chosen wrongly(I place myself high on that list).

We do not have the benefit of God speaking audibly to us in this current dispensation. He chooses to make His will known, as I said, through His Holy Spirit as we open His Word and through prayer and as you said, through the council of other believers.

So this hearkens back to the idea of God’s perfect Will vs His permissive Will. He knew Adam would eat yet allowed it. This eating was not God’s perfect Will and so, in that sense, God’s Perfect Will was not accomplished. His Permissive Will was accomplished. God, of course, foreknew all of this as He had prepared His Son as an offering for men from the foundation of the world:

“He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you”(1 Pet 1:20)

…and so we all eat of the same fruit as Adam…even as we attempt to do His will. God’s Perfect Will for each of us may or may not be accomplished in our lives even as we seek to do His Will. As you said, this will not change God’s ultimate plan from being accomplished. Your thoughts?

Blessings,

DocReits

Jack Wellman April 13, 2014 at 4:51 pm

Thanks friend…we actually do have an article concerning how to know God’s will…of course no audible voice but we have His written voice or Word, the Bible. For more on how to find the will of God, please check this out and I pray it satisfy’s what you are asking my friend. http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/how-to-find-gods-will-in-your-life/

DocReits April 13, 2014 at 10:40 pm

Wow Jack,

That was like a “Golden Oldie” along with the blessing provided through that article evidenced by the comments from the readers.

Thank you for the link! I especially liked what you said here:

“If God does what He pleases with the nations of the world, and “no one can hold back His hand”, then surely you must know that He can help you find your will for your life which will also be His will for your life. An important lesson here is that God’s will for your life should be what you are seeking as your will for your life. You do not want to seek your will unless it is also God’s will. To seek a will for your life that is different from that of God’s will for your life will be a continual frustration.”

Brilliant…Pretty much sums it up!

DocReits

David April 13, 2014 at 2:46 am

Doc, very interesting your comparison with the choosing of Mattias and Pentecost. Never thought of that.
I know some Christians who have “laid a fleece before the Lord“, and it made me feel uneasy, your explanation answers this.
Many thanks, and blessings.
David Central Europe

Robert April 15, 2014 at 5:00 pm

Excellent article, Jack. And, as usual, it inspired some thought-provoking comments too. God bless you brother.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Jack Wellman April 16, 2014 at 7:45 am

And for you sir, as usual, you are too generous for truly only God alone is deserving of glory in all that we do. Nonetheless, thank you brother.

Cheftonni June 14, 2016 at 8:56 am

Can you use the bible to cast lots? If yes, how does one do it using the bible. I’m not going to do it myself, I am asking because I think someone I know may be doing it. They insist they are not casting lots using the bible, but I want to know for my own piece of mind.

Jack Wellman June 14, 2016 at 9:46 am

Casting lots was not like today in throwing dice. Ask them why they are doing it. It’s almost like a Ouija board game. We have all the revelation we need in the Bible. Ask them why they are doing this. Today, we have the whole Word of God in the New and Old Testament. The 1st century church didn’t have the New Testament yet but this is nowhere practiced in the New Testament church, even once.

Cheftonni June 22, 2016 at 7:07 am

I did ask them why and they said they are praying to determine Gods will for them. They will do a prayer over the bible asking God for a “yes” or “no” sign by choosing from a list of negative and positive words found in the Bible (I have no idea where this list is derived). After that, they flip open the bible to see if their yes or no sign shows up. They do this to see if they can go to a movie, rent a movie, go on a trip, etc… They said this is the way they were trained and built to pray. I am just trying to figure out what type of praying this is or is this in fact a form of casting lots. Thanks

Jack Wellman June 22, 2016 at 9:37 am

I see. thank you. To use the Bible like a Ouija board is a dangerous thing. One experience was someone trying to find the will of God simply opened their Bible and random and found the vesre “Judas went out an hanged himself” and the next, “What you do, do quickly” so this is avoiding God’s will, not praying for God’s will, but simply rolling the dice. Very unbiblical to be sure. Thanks for spotting this problem with the church and I believe it is a problem.

Richard M November 14, 2016 at 10:04 pm

I have an example. When choosing a leader for a new ministry at a church, which is better, popular vote or casting lots? If each voting member pray and ask God for wisdom on who to vote before casting his vote, would all of them choose the same person?

Biblical casting lots is not the same as consulting a medium or gambling. That’s not what the Bible describes casting lots.

Mark Monnin November 28, 2016 at 11:49 am

“We have direct access to the thrown of heaven…” Is that a pun?

Jack Wellman November 28, 2016 at 12:29 pm

No, it is not a pun at all Mr. Monnin. It is a fact.

Benjamin November 18, 2018 at 2:47 am

I agree with you that the bible condemns the seeking of medium, but even that pastor that you have advice that one should seek for counselling are medium and channel but of Jesus or God. Seeking medium is not bad IMO If his message is from the throne of God and not of the lower planes or heaven. Its is even more beneficial for all to become a Medium of God in Jesus, for this purpose came He Jesus to show us the way to God, and not just by reading books.

Jack Wellman November 18, 2018 at 8:15 am

Hello my friend. You are trying to justify your actions by using an analogy of Jesus and God being used by pastors as a sort of channeling, but that is as far from the truth as you can get. It is by God’s Word and through His SPirit that we seek His mind and will, and that is not the same thing at all as a medium who uses satantic power to do these things. I suggest you repent of this sin before it is too late.

Deen April 11, 2019 at 2:06 pm

The Art of Correction needs to be a gentle one. Let’s keep Proverbs 12:1 in mind as you are asked to amend your Fourth Paragraph to make proper sense in which you wrote, “We have direct access to the thrown of heaven…”. Am hoping you meant to write, “We have direct access to the THRONE of Heaven…”. There is a massive difference in meaning between “thrown”,{ tossed } and “Throne”. Thank you.

Jack Wellman April 11, 2019 at 2:13 pm

Yes, it was a typo and corrected. Sorry for the aggravation it caused you, and yes, there’s a huge difference. Thank you.

Stephen D Fox December 9, 2019 at 4:10 pm

As far as the Acts 1 casting of lots, the 12 didn’t know what was going to happen soon, they were just told to wait. But they also must have realized at some point that by them being 12, they were like the 12 Tribes of Israel, it had been this way for the whole time they were with Jesus. It was completion. They wanted that uniformity back, I’m sure. I don’t think there was anything wrong in what they did there.

Jack Wellman December 9, 2019 at 4:31 pm

Thank you Mr. Fox.

Solomon Balogun April 8, 2020 at 7:21 am

Thanks for the exposition on casting lots… Are there times you pray about an important decision like a life partner or a good job and it seems you don’t just hear God speaking. ..a kind of silence

Jack Wellman April 14, 2014 at 11:01 am

Thanks my good friend. You sure know how to make a person feel good. I am glad it was part of God’s will to have you find us as you have contributed so much here to this website my friend and I thank God for you.





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