First Peter 4 Bible Study and Questions

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What type of Bible study and questions could we glean from the Book of First Peter chapter 4?  What ones would you suggest?

Introduction

The Book of 1st Peter is a book for the ages.  There is never going to be a time when the Word of God is not helpful and beneficial in the Christian’s walk with Christ.  Peter endured beatings and imprisonment before finally being crucified, as tradition holds, upside down but Christianity could be said to have been turning the world upside down too…perhaps we could say right side up!  Read along with us in 1st Peter chapter 4 to see what type of Bible study and questions we can come up with that you, your small group or Sunday school could use.

First Peter 4 Bible Study and Questions

How to Create a Bible Study

I will touch briefly on how you can create your own Bible studies by using these diagnostic questions; how, who, why, when, where, and what.  For this chapter we can ask:

  • How this is relevant to believers today?
  • Who does this apply too?
  • Why was it written?
  • Why should we consider this chapter as meaningful to us?
  • When was this written?
  • When can we use these truths for today?
  • Where is it applicable to us?
  • Where are there similarities in our life?
  • What does it mean to us today?
  • What are we to learn from it?

I suggest you could use these questions for each verse and if you are in a small group or study, leave time for the participants to answer these questions.  If you are studying this for yourself, write out your answers after each verse to see how you can take these verses to heart to grow in your faith.

Suffering Produces the Mind of Christ

First Peter 4:1-2 “Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,  so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God.”

If Christ suffered in the flesh, should we not expect the same, although certainly not to the same extent?  What is Peter saying we should “arm” ourselves with?  What does he mean by saying that “whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin?”  How can we replace our human passion or living in the flesh for the will of God?  I do know that anyone that wants to be Christ-like must suffer like Christ did, but again, not to the same degree.

From the Dead to the Living

First Peter 4:3-5 “For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.”

How many of us remember living in these lusts of the flesh?  How many of us were attending drinking parties, getting drunk (or had substance abuse problems), living in sexual immorality, idolatry (of lust, money, greed, and so on), and letting our passions be our guide?  What has changed?  Why did it change?  Have you experienced persecution from those you used to run with in doing such sinful things?  Why are they surprised that you don’t join them in such sinful desires of the flesh anymore?  How do they “malign you?” What does it mean that they will all have to “give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead?”  Who are the living and the dead?  Is it those who have already died or those who are living but in reality dead in trespasses and sins?

The Gospel is Preached to the Dead?

First Peter 4:6-7 “For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does. The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.”

What does Peter mean that this was “why the gospel was preached to those who are dead?”  What does it mean that they are “dead?”  What does it mean that they are to be judged “in the flesh?”  What does Peter mean when he wrote “the end of all things is at hand?”  Does he mean the end of the world or the end times or the end of a person’s life?  What did Peter mean by telling us to be “sober-minded for the sake of your prayers?”

Love Covers a Multitude of Sins

First Peter 4:8-11 “Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. Show hospitality to one another without grumbling. As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace:  whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ.”

What does Peter mean by saying that “love covers a multitude of sins?”  Was he talking about Jesus death for us?  Did he mean that our earnest love for one another covers these sins?  Did he mean that the sins to be covered were those against us or those we should cover or keep secret from others and the church?  Why does Peter tie in showing hospitality to not grumbling?  What is the connection between the two?  What are the “oracles of God” that Peter wrote about? Are the oracles of God the Scriptures?  Were they the Old Testament Scriptures?  Was Peter talking about the oracles of God being Paul’s writings, the gospels or his own letters to the church?  How can we “serve by the strength that God supplies?”  What does that mean?  How can serving through the strength that God gives glorify God?

Blessed for Insults

First Peter 4:12-14 “Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.  But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.”

Why should we not be surprised when we experience trials?  Does this mean that the only surprise would be if we never did experience them?  Why shouldn’t it be strange that we’re undergoing trials?  How can we rejoice in persecutions?  Why should we? How is God’s glory revealed in our sufferings?  How was God’s glory revealed in Christ’s sufferings?  How is it possible to receive a blessing for being insulted for Christ’s sake? What kind of blessing would it be?  What is “the Spirit of glory and of God” that rests upon us?  What is this “Spirit of glory?”  Is it God’s Holy Spirit?

Suffering for the Right Reason

First Peter 4:15-19 “But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.  For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And ‘If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?’ Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.”

Why would Peter be writing to Christians to not suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer or a meddler?  Why would Peter be telling believers this when they are like not murdering anyone?  Was he speaking about the reference to when Jesus said that hating someone is like murdering them in the heart?  Why are we not supposed to be “ashamed” but instead, glorify God in suffering?  What does Peter mean that judgment begins at the household of God? What kind of judgment is this since Christians are supposed to have all of their sins already judged at the cross?  Is this talking about church discipline?  What does it mean to “suffer according to God’s will?”  Is it really God’s will to suffer?

Conclusion

It is my hope that you can benefit from this rich text that is found in 1st Peter 4 and that you can grow in your Christian faith in a way that is pleasing to God. Perhaps it will prepare you for the times ahead of us when Christians will suffer more and undergo more and more persecution as the time of Christ’s return draws near.

Related Bibles study tools: First Peter 5 Bible Study

Resource – Scripture quotations are from The Holy Bible, English Standard Version® (ESV®), copyright © 2001 by Crossway, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. Used by permission. All rights reserved.

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Marlon January 19, 2015 at 3:46 pm

Hi Mr. Wellman,

First Peter 4:1-2 “Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God.”

This is what the Spirit of Jesus Christ, in me says:
….arm yourselves with the same way of thinking…when you arm yourself, you protect yourself as in going into battle..and as a Christian…you are to wear the helmet of Salvation which is our Lord’s One and Only sacrifice on the cross for the forgiveness of ALL sins…in doing so…we have nailed our sins on the cross with our Lord…to which we will receive Him in our hearts as He, the Spirit of Truth will live in that man’s temple, made clean by Faith in the Word of God, His testimony…His Only beloved son given…so that those who believed in Him will be saved, sin ceased to exist in that man because He is with His Son and therefore is also with the Holy Father, who is in the Son.

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Jack Wellman January 19, 2015 at 3:53 pm

Well said Marlon my friend. Thank you so much for contributing to the content of this article. May God richly bless you for that.

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Marlon January 19, 2015 at 3:56 pm

Peace and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you Mr. Wellman,

This is what the Spirit of our Lord ask me to say:
First Peter 4:3-5 “For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.”

I am a former catholic and am now a born again in Water and in Spirit, Christian. When a person has truly experienced the Saving Grace of God, he understands that we are in a journey back to God, after He has freed us from the slavery of sin and the chains of death….we are now moving forward and not looking back at the life of sin…this is the same as when Lot and Family were coming out of Sodom…the life of lust and of flesh is gone…the TRUTH is revealed…we are children of God in the Name of Jesus Christ….

A humble bond-servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the One who walks above waters,

Marlon

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Jack Wellman January 19, 2015 at 4:02 pm

Amen…congratulations my dear friend in Christ. It is a joy to have you visit our website. Love your ending where you wrote “the One who walks above waters.” Amen and amen! Love that.

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Marlon January 19, 2015 at 4:41 pm

Thank you, and also for your website, in Jesus’s Name,

Marlon

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Jack Wellman January 19, 2015 at 5:38 pm

Our pleasure my friend in Christ. Thank you as well and I thank God for you.

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Marlon January 19, 2015 at 4:22 pm

Peace and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you and those entrusted to you Mr. Wellman, that include me now… 🙂

This is what the Spirit of Truth, the Words of Eternal Life ask me to say:

First Peter 4:6-7 “For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does. The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.”

The whole earth, dead as it is for being apart from God because of sin, has received Mercy through our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God…that all of us who are dead because of our sins…have received HOPE…that we may inherit our Lord’s promise of Life through His Only Begotten Son…which is what 1 John 5:11-12 – And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
Our Lord is Spirit and that is why we all have to worship in Spirit, but because we are still with the flesh we are still subject to the desires of the flesh…but through the Strength of God’s Love, we will always be aware and mindful about the PRICE paid for our slavery…and the Promise that we will be with the Lord, where He is…and that is with the Holy Father in heaven. We must constantly guard this gift that we may not loose it and exchange it for temporary things….and whatever is temporary…it always end….and there is only One who is Forever and that is God….

Those who have not yet come to believe….or may have already died without being born again in Water and in Spirit…has also received forgiveness of sins…but has not received the Promise of Life….but will be judged according to their heart….on what they did and did not do…the sharp two edged sword from the Lord’s mouth…

A humble bond-servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Only Way to the Holy Father in heaven,

Marlon

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DocReits January 29, 2015 at 8:13 pm

Hi Marlon,

I have enjoyed your comments and agree with what you said up until this:

“Those who have not yet come to believe….or may have already died without being born again in Water and in Spirit…has also received forgiveness of sins…but has not received the Promise of Life”

Please define the following:

1) Born again in Water(and why you capitalize the word “water”.
2) Born again in Spirit
3) Who is forgiving sins in your statement above(God or man)?
4) What does the Promise of Life entail…and why would a person who has their sins forgiven (by God) not be born again and not partake in the Promise of life?

It is important that when we read these terms being used by others that we understand how the speaker defines them.

My suspicion is that we differ greatly in these definitions which is very important to determine before we can have a coherent discussion.

DocReits

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Marlon January 29, 2015 at 10:02 pm

Hi DocReits,

Peace and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

1. The “Water” to which we are to be baptized in is Faith in the Word of God. Read Ephesians 5:26 – …to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word….read John 15:3-4 -“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

2. Born Again in Spirit…Read 1 Peter 1:23 – for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING WORD OF GOD.

3. It is God who awards the forgiveness of sins…committed by a repentant man…but a man has authority to forgive the sin of those who have committed him wrong…read Matthew 18:25-32 – ….”And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt.…
……”Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me.…

4. Go read Matthew 18:25-32 again….was not the slave forgiven of His sin? How? was it after he pleaded for forgiveness?..or without pleading for forgiveness?….

read John 8:24
… I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you
believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” …

our Lord Jesus Christ, died for all sins…but unless you believe that He is the Messiah….you will not receive the promise of the Holy Father…the Promised Messiah…

read Luke 24:29 – .. Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city
of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high …

read Acts 1:4-5 – Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; 5for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

It is in believing that you understand…for the Spirit of Truth will reveal Himself to a believing man’s…..

A humble bond-servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the One whose Face shines brighter than the sun,

Marlon

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Midknight76 February 1, 2015 at 1:06 am

Old testament saints believed the prophecy of the messiah to come and we believe the history of the messiah’s birth, life, teachings and death on the cross. They looked forward and we look back. Those who were there… well thats kind of self explainatory. They either trusted or triviallized HIS life. Now my question is, which era do you think had the most difficult time trusting and believing, our forefathers from the past looking forward, those present during HIS life or us now looking back from the “future”?

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Marlon February 4, 2015 at 10:53 am

Hi Midknight 76,

Peace and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, be with you and all those entrusted to you.

Sorry for missing your comment earlier. We are all in a journey back to God and each period is different from the other. I would refer to John 4:38

“For in this case the saying is true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38″I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored and you have entered into their labor.”

We are more blessed because the Grace of God is given generously and without reproach…read James 1:5
And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. 5But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.…

A humble bond-servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Only Begotten Son of the Holy Father in heaven,

Marlon

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DocReits January 29, 2015 at 11:28 pm

Thank you for your speedy and kind reply Marlon,

I believe the context of John 3, when Jesus met with Nicodemus, was that Jesus was trying to show that there are two births…the physical and the spiritual:

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Here is Jesus’s reply to Nicodemus’s question about entering again into his mother’s womb:

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Here Jesus contrasts physical and spiritual birth. Note the authors do not capitalize “water”. Water is what the child comes through in physical birth. That is what Jesus refers to in vs 6 as “that which is born of the flesh is flesh”…that is the first birth necessary for salvation.

The second birth is spiritual which is necessary for salvation. “and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. The Spirit is what one comes into in spiritual birth. It was a beautiful contrast/compare by the Master of metaphors.

The reason I emphasize this point is because if you interpret this passage with the water referring to Scripture, then number one, it does not hold to the context of Jesus’s metaphor, contrasting physical birth and spiritual birth and secondly, you are led to the conclusion that somehow Scripture saves you, right? Here is Jesus again:

“unless one is born of water AND the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God”(vs 5). We are saved by Grace, not Scripture, through Faith in Jesus(Eph 2:8,9). Grace/Belief causes an independent act of the Father to occur…the Holy Spirit tabernacles with us. This is the second birth. “Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God?”(1 Cor 6:19) We are not born of Scripture, we are born of flesh AND His Spirit.

More importantly, I still cannot reconcile this statement of yours:

“Those who have not yet come to believe….or may have already died without being born again in Water and in Spirit…has also received forgiveness of sins…but has not received the Promise of Life…”

Forgiveness is available to all men(Jn 3:16) but all men aren’t automatically forgiven by Calvary. To believe that they are, runs into many Scriptural problems. The provision for forgiveness(Calvary) does not impute forgiveness without belief.

I know we might be moving into a much broader discussion of unlimited vs limited atonement. I understand your quote if you subscribe to the former. From your previous remarks I believe you are of the latter camp though, hence my confusion with your statement.

So I ask again, how can one be forgiven by God of their sins(breaking the Ten Commandments), when they have not believed in Christ, according to what you wrote in that quote three paragraphs above. (Perhaps I am not understanding the meaning of your quote above, as you switch verb tenses within the quote).

Seeking your meaning,

DocReits

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Marlon January 30, 2015 at 9:33 am

Hi DocReits,

Peace and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, be with you and all those entrusted to you.

Yes, there are two births, born of the Flesh and born of the Spirit…

read John 3:5-7 – Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’…

DocReit, do you believe Mosses is forgiven his sin?….do you believe king David is forgiven his sin?….

read Revelation 6:9-10
When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”…

read Psalm 37:33-34
The wicked spies upon the righteous And seeks to kill him. The LORD will not leave him in his hand Or let him be condemned when he is judged. Wait for the LORD and keep His way, And He will exalt you to inherit the land; When the wicked are cut off, you will see it.…

read John 3:17-19
“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. “This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.…

for those who are born of the Spirit…

read Revelation 7:12-
saying, “Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.” Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.…”For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.…

A humble bond-servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Only Begotten Son of the Holy Father in heaven,

Marlon

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DocReits January 30, 2015 at 1:03 pm

Hi Marlon,

I wish you would expand with your own understanding of the verses you quote. I believe, as the Scriptures explain, that we will all stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ and that the wicked dead will be the only ones who stand before the Great White Throne Judgement. Here it is:

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” 2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV

and the Great White Throne Judgement:

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”. Revelation 20:11-15 ESV

I believe that those who placed their trust in God’s Seed of the woman, from Abraham’s line(Gen 3:15) will be saved. Some argue that the Seed is plural and refers to all mankind. This is an error though as explained in this exegetical response:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_abrahams_seed.htm

You ask, “….do you believe Mosses is forgiven his sin?….do you believe king David is forgiven his sin?….”

I believe as the writer of Hebrews explains in chapter 11 that,

“13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland…”

“39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith…”

They were looking forward to Calvary, just as we look back at the same. OT saints had faith in the Father’s coming Messiah. It is through faith that OT saints were justified just as through faith we are saved. It is not “by” faith that we are saved, it is “through” faith(Eph 2:8,9). We are saved, OT and NT saints alike only by God’s Grace as we exercise our faith and trust in Him.

Marlon, do you believe everyone(all humanity) is forgiven of their sins after Calvary? From what you have written, I would guess the answer is “yes”. I was raised Roman Catholic as you(myself by the Dominican nuns, with high school and college by the Jesuits) and understand this position. Before I reply to that idea, I would like to know if I am correct….yes or no will suffice.

DocReits

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Marlon February 1, 2015 at 1:38 am

Hi DocReits,

Peace and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, be with you. Sorry for the delay, I was so busy these past few days….

Read John 3:14-18 – ….so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”For God DID NOT SEND THE SON INTO THE WORLD TO JUDGE THE WORLD, but that the world MIGHT BE SAVED THROUGH HIM.…”He who believes in Him IS NOT JUDGED; he WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE HAS BEEN JUDGED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.…

read Acts 10:43 – All the prophets testify about him that EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM RECEIVES FORGIVENESS OF SINS through his name.” ..

DocReit, the Spirit of the Lord in my heart says, One has to BELIEVE to be FORGIVEN….though our Lord has died on the Cross for all sins…it does not give forgiveness unless one believes….those who have died but have believed in the WORD of GOD and has KEPT His commandments/His Word…has also gained forgiveness through the Lord’s One and Only Sacrifice on the Cross, because they have believed in the WORD of God…for the Scriptures have spoken about our Lord Jesus Christ….

are you still in the tomb church of vatican with false doctrines DocReits? …

It is in Faith in the Truth, the Word of God, that a man will receive the Promise of Eternal Life….whether He receives it through Judgement and through Faith…

read 1 Timothy 6:12 – Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

read John 6:68-69 Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. “We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.”…

read John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.…

that anyone who have believed in Him, the Word made Flesh…will have eternal Life…

read Revelation 19:13 – He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

A humble bond-servant of our Lord Jesus Christ,….whose name is the Word of God,

Marlon

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DocReits February 1, 2015 at 2:32 am

Marlon,

Thank you for your Scripture quotes and explanations. It is apparent that English is not your first language. As a result, I have misunderstood your statements. My apologies.

Let me try, one last time, with why your statement below is incorrect.

““Those who have not yet come to believe….or may have already died without being born again in Water and in Spirit…has also received forgiveness of sins…but has not received the Promise of Life…”

That is what you wrote.

In English this is the same as saying,

“Those who have not yet come to believe….…have also received forgiveness of sins…”

That is what you wrote. That is incorrect and the opposite of your other statements. Hence, I finally realized you simply misspoke. Hey, I admire folks like you who can write in more than one language. Congratulations.

DocReits

Btw, I never make a point about proclaiming myself to be humble, because as soon as I do, I am not.

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Marlon February 1, 2015 at 1:27 pm

Hi DocReits,

You are right, English is not my first language… :)…

yes, without Faith in the Word and in the Truth….one cannot avail of the payment for sin….it is total rejection of Salvation…this is the is the UNFORGIVEN SIN….

DocReit…being humble is not bringing yourself up…it is about saying you are NOTHING in comparison to God’s Grace…saved by Grace not by anything of our own deed…for we are all BOND SLAVES….we are owned and paid for, by our Lord Jesus Christ….

A humble bond-servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Comforter of the Afflicted….the Help of Christians,

Marlon

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DocReits February 1, 2015 at 5:04 pm

God Bless you Marlon,

DocReits

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Marlon February 1, 2015 at 9:59 pm

Hi DocReits, may God’s Word, the Living Water in a believing man’s heart be with you and all those entrusted to you.

Let us proclaim the TRUTH and continue to WALK IN the Light…that our brothers and sisters who are still asleep, may hear and wake up with the Words of Life….

Your brother in Faith, Hope, and Love, with the Advocate of the Holy Father in heaven,

Marlon

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steve broome February 4, 2015 at 7:53 am

It is peaceful debate that opens ones mind to the gospel,
And the truths it holds. Let me start by thanking both of,
You for revelations of what the spirit has shown you. My,
Question to you both is when it was said Jesus descends,
Was it not then that he lifted those up that had lived and
Found favor in GOD our FATHER in the old testament?
The way I am shown is that no man can enter heaven,
If not for the atonement of Jesus Christ our Lord. So
Therefore all men must die thru his GRACE at Calvary,
And be resurrected a new man by his crucifixion on the,
Cross before they can enter heaven. Even ISAAC returned,
In the body of John the baptist for perpetuation of his sins.
These are questions not statements. For I still am on milk by his GRACE and yet to chew the meat of his living word. Yet I am
Reborn both in the blood and the Holy spirit. AMEN
MAY the Lord GOD keep you and bless you both.

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Jack Wellman February 4, 2015 at 8:11 am

Thank you Mr. Broome. Then were are these Old Testament saints today my friend? Where were they before Calvary? Gal 3:6 “So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness” and “For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” (Rom 4:3). You are being peaceful and thank you but what is the fate or state of these saint of old till Calvary? What about after the cross?

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DocReits February 4, 2015 at 9:16 am

Hi Steve,

You are correct that the only way to be saved is by grace through faith in Jesus. His work on Calvary opened heaven’s gates which were closed for all men before Calvary.

(Btw, Elijah did not come back to earth reincarnated as John the Baptist. See this excellent link for the explanation:

http://www.gotquestions.org/John-Baptist-Elijah.html)

OT saints waited in Sheol or Hades after they died….a place of comfort(Abraham’s bosom) awaiting the gates of heaven to be opened at Calvary.

Blessings,

DocReits

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Marlon February 4, 2015 at 11:07 am

Hi Steve,

Peace and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you and all those entrusted to you.

A man who has come to believe in the Truth will die in Flesh with the Lord on the Cross and will Ressurect with the Spirit of Truth in his heart…the advocate given by the Holy Father in heaven, to all who believes in His Only Begotten Son, the Lamb for the forgiveness of sins…we become partakers and part of our Lord’s Body….cleansed by His One and Only sacrifice on the cross for all sins….

The faithful servants/laborers who prepared the way of the Lord Jesus Christ…in Faith with the Words of God….are also paid with the same Grace in Jesus Christ our Lord….

read Revelation 6- 11…When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained;…And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.

A humble bond-servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, the One who would not drink the Wine mixed with bitter gall,

Marlon

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