Can A Person Be Born A Homosexual? A Bible Study

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Is there scientific evidence that a person is born a homosexual? If so, then how can they be held responsible for the Bible condemning homosexuality?  Let’s take a look at the scientific evidence and then put it up against what the Bible teaches.

Are Homosexuals Genetically Predisposed to be One?

There have been many scientific studies that tried to show that homosexuals are predisposed or born into homosexuality but there remains no conclusive proof that a person is born with a gay or lesbian gene.  A variety of studies have been undertaken to try and pin down whether there are hormonal, environmental or genetic influences, but researchers have been unable to find that one, single cause for a person’s sexual orientation.  In a specific study that compared non-homosexual men and homosexual men, a large variety of data was studied including biological information, environmental, and even physical measurements. The conclusion of the available data was that there are no reliable predictors of a person’s sexual orientation. [1]

Clinical psychologist, Dr. Stanton Jones, says that if genetics play a role it is a very small roll, saying, “The scientific evidence doesn’t support it.” In Dr. Stanton’s book, “Ex-Gays? A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation,” he concluded that gay men have been and can be converted towards heterosexuality. Even if there were a homosexual gene that triggered a person’s tendency to be homosexual, are we not all predisposed to being sinners anyway?  We must come out of our sin, repent, and confess, and as we are all in Adam and all will die, we are to also be in Christ and be made alive (2 Cor 15:22).  Every one is born into a sinful state but we are not to remain in that state (Psalm 51:1).  We are all sinners (1 John 1:8, 10) but we must all confess our sins and repent of them, no matter what sin it is (1 John 1:9).  Being “born this way” is no excuse because we are not helpless victims of our genes.

Repentance and Faith

Let’s say that a person had parents that drank to excess. That was my case. I was somewhat predisposed to drink but I can not use that as an excuse and just throw up my hands and give in to it and say, “Well, I just can’t help it.  I was born with a genetic predisposition to be an alcoholic.”  We are all sinners and we must all repent (turn around and away from sin).  Mankind is fallen.  We are all genetically flawed and predisposed to sin but if a person lies and say that, “Well, it just runs in the family,” they say that they are just helpless victims of their own genes.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  There may be some exceptions for alcoholics and drug abusers but it can‘t be an excuse for us to be drunks or drug abusers.  Alcoholics and drug abusers may pick up on their parents lifestyle more than just being helpless victims of their genes.

The Bible on Homosexuality

Homosexuals who are not practicing ... should be welcomed by the churches. The churches would be empty if we eliminated everyone who has sinned.

Homosexuals who are not practicing … should be welcomed by the churches. The churches would be empty if we eliminated everyone who has sinned.

What does God say about the homosexual lifestyle?  Does He “understand” about a person saying that they are born that way?  I have been counseling a man who is living with his girlfriend and they have already had a baby.  He concluded that since God put this love in his heart for his girlfriend that He would understand.  That since they don’t believe in marriage they can live with each other and not feel that they are sinning.  He said, “Surely God knows that I love her and that He must understand that.”  In reality, this man is creating a false god or making a god in his own image and that is sin.  God never condones sin and will not just look the other way.  As Paul said about idolatry, I see that in every way you are very religious.  For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you (Act 17:22-23), andin the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed (Acts 17:30-31).

So, does God “understand” when we live in sin, including homosexuality?  Absolutely not!  Paul is clear on this point when he wrote, do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).  The difference here is what Paul said, “And such where some of you.”  This means that they were doing these things but not anymore.  They had repented of these things and even though they might fall back into it at times, just as we all do in sin (Romans 7), they don’t stay there.  They repent, get back up, confess their sin, and strive to live holy, godly lives.

This article is not condemning homosexuality.  It is also showing that the man who was living with his girlfriend and saying “God would understand” is living a life of sexual immorality and such who refuse to repent will not be in the Kingdom of Heaven, anymore than unrepentant thieves, idolaters, drunkards, or swindlers will.  The person who believes that God would understand is really saying that God will compromise on sin and He absolutely will not.  They are idolaters because they are making a god in their own image.

Conclusion

There is no sin that can not be forgiven (1 John 1:9).  We are all sinners (1 John 1:8, 10).  A person can still feel same-sex urges and be saved.  Just as I was at one time a drug abuser, I still have those urges to do them again.  I loved beer too but I drank to drunkenness and so today I have decided to not drink anything at all alcoholic to prevent myself from “falling off the wagon” again.  I could find no valid scientific evidence that there is a “gay gene” or “lesbian gene” anymore than there is one for a person who steals, lies, or cheats.  Sin is sin but a person who is still tempted to have a homosexual relationship is not sinning as long as they don’t actually have that same-sex relationship.

Remember that Jesus was tempted just as we are, but without sin.  The writer of Hebrews states thatwe do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are–yet was without sin (Hebrews 4:12).  He was tempted in His humanity just as we all are today so Christ understands our temptations, but temptation is not sin.  That is whyhe had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people (Hebrews 2:17).  This is because Jesus “himself likewise partook of the same things” (Hebrews 2:14).  This is why he had to be made like his brothers in every respect so that He understands what our temptations are like (Hebrews 2:17). The only difference is that He never sinned and so, For our sake he [God] made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Homosexuals who are not practicing this lifestyle and trying to overcome it should be welcomed by churches and not condemned for Christians can not cast the first stone unless it would be at their own selves.  The same could be said of former drug abusers who are still tempted (like me), like former prisoners, alcoholics, and so on. The churches would be empty if we eliminated everyone who has sinned.

Take a look at this related article:

What Does the Bible say About Same Sex Marriage

Resource – New International Version Bible, The Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright© 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblca, Inc.™ Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide. [1] Rice, G., C. Anderson, N. Risch, and G. Ebers.  Science.   1999 Apr 23;284(5414):665-7. Male Homosexuality: Absence of Linkage to Microsatellite Markers at Xq28.

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nikki April 5, 2013 at 5:53 am

I wanted to ask if two people live together as a couple, even if they are the same sex, but do not participate in the sexual actions is it still wrong? I know of a couple like that and they do not engage in sexual relations bc it is a sin, but they love one another dearly.

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 9:28 am

Hello Nikki and thank you for your question. You mentioned that they are a “couple” living together. I had a roommate when I got out of school that I shared an apartment with and I see no problem with this. If they are loving each other, this means that they are loving in each non-sexually? I love my friend, a retired pastor like a brother and so I don’t see any problem with that. Having sex together outside of marriage is sin however but I loved my best friend like a brother though and so I don’t see a problem here. I would not have called us a “couple” though because I don’t see that as this but as a friendship that was closer than brothers.

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Mrs.Clyburn May 15, 2016 at 2:22 pm

My comment is for Nikki…your question was…Is it okay if two people of the same sex live together as a COUPLE…but are not sexually involved is it wrong? Umm i disagree with Jack because the relationship he described is equivalent to a ROOMMATE relationship …but a COUPLE is a different entity…regardless if i perform the sexual act or not…if im saying im in a intimate relationship with someone be it sexual or non sexual its still wrong because the desire is there. Yes its okay to love someone just as you love your parents or siblings that’s understandable…I’ll ask this…if this couple that you refer to were brother and sister and they lived together as a COUPLE but were not sexually involved would that not still be wrong…we as people try to rationalize and reason to make things acceptable…We say things like “If Im not participating in the full act than its ok”…we only trick ourselves because the lord knows our heart. Does not a married man/woman still commit adultery within his/her heart if s/he looks upon another wo/man lustfully (Matt 5:27-28) if i drive the getaway car after a bank robbery but dont rob the actual bank myself..am i not still accountable for that crime…if i hold a person down while they are being stabbed to death am not an accomplice to that murder.not committing the full act doesnt make it okay because the act alone is already present.Homosexuality is a touchy subject especially in todays society…but dont be fooled wrong is wrong and sin is sin…i dont care how many ways we try to justify or make it acceptable…it is no in between. Lets not sugar coat the truth to appease the masses…of course that doesnt mean to be disrespectful or judge but i wont dilute the truth of Gods word especially when He states loud and clear what he doesnt want for us. Peace and Blessings

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Linda Stanhope April 5, 2013 at 6:10 am

It is clear that someone may feel that they are born with homosexual tendencies. I do not deny them this. Things happen even before we are born. There is the possibility that the child in the womb was affected by words, (word curses), by a parent or someone else that instilled the feelings at that time, and they are born with them. Now, this however can be reversed if the proper ministry is introduced and taught. We have the power to break all word curses that are spoken against us. We can go back to that time, spiritually, and take of these curses. It is sad that the christian community doesn’t see this simple reason for so many people to be confused about their sexuality. Instead, we hurl insults and make people feel awful. Loving a person and building relationship with them and then through that, taking them spiritually to that place of injury is what the Lord would have us do. The same thing can be said for anyone who has an issue with anything that doesn’t line up with the word of God. This is just another place that the enemy has access to, to change what God’s original intend for us was. It should be done lovingly,not with hatred. We have not handled this well at all.

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Lucy Cleary April 5, 2013 at 9:30 am

WOW Linda you are so right every curse can be broken if we apply the word of God. Nothing is impossibe to him that believes. GOD is a healer,and a deliver and he can set you free from every trap of the enemy

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 9:36 am

Linda is right. There is real power for God that is not available to those outside of Christ. We can do all things thru Christ Who Himself will strengthen us.

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 9:32 am

Thank you Mrs. Stanhope. I agree that there is no room for hatred in dealing with homosexual. You said that well and I agree as as my conclusion said, “Homosexuals who are not practicing this lifestyle and trying to overcome it should be welcomed by churches and not condemned for Christians can not cast the first stone unless it would be at their own selves. The same could be said of former drug abusers who are still tempted (like me), like former prisoners, alcoholics, and so on. The churches would be empty if we eliminated everyone who has sinned.”

I am certainly not hurling insults at homosexuals because none of us are without sin and we should reach out to them as we would any sinner. There is room for grace at the foot of the cross. I agree we have not handled it well and my intent in this article was to show that God extends grace and mercy to all who have sinned (which includes all humanity). Thank you.

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Linda Stanhope April 5, 2013 at 1:37 pm

Agreed 🙂

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Pearl April 5, 2013 at 6:33 am

I know many homosexual men and women. I know that the LARGE MAJORITY of them were molested. I believe many of them are confused because of the sexual abuse.

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 9:34 am

So true Pearl. I was abused physically and once had a fractured skull and I was confused because my father abandoned me and my mother dumped me and so it took a long time for the anger in me to cease and today, as a father and grandfather, I have determined to break the cycle of fatherlessness and will not let my upbringing affect my behavior today.

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BRILLIANT April 17, 2013 at 3:13 am

Pearl i honestly don’t agree with u beause some of them were never angaged with the opposite sex.

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Joe Sewell August 7, 2013 at 11:19 am

There are many forms of abuse that can turn a child’s mind one way or the other. A man who was molested by his brother could turn away from his own gender (and want to be a woman attracted to women), or he could turn towards his own gender. Each person is made different and experiences different events differently.

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Pix106 April 5, 2013 at 9:26 am

Good article, and in summary perhaps we could say;

In the Garden of Eden, God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Sign on a fellowship entry; “No perfect people allowed.”

Thanks for your time and contributions.

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 9:38 am

That is so true Pix106. The only way to enter heaven is to be perfect as Jesus said in Matthew 5:48, and we can thank God that this is possible by Jesus Christ as written in 2 Cor 5:21, “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

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Pamela Rose Williams April 5, 2013 at 11:46 am

Jack, great job on yet another controversial subject. I am so thankful that God has chosen you to tackle “the hard stuff” and gives you all you need to clearly proclaim what His word says about such subjects.

It all comes down to choice. When we are “in Christ” we are exhorted and even admonished to walk in newness of life and choose not to continue in the sinful lifestyle. Choosing to engage in homosexual acts is simply choosing to do that which displeases the Lord. Just as you compared it with those other sinful behaviors.

Interestingly enough, I wrote a little about that today over at my site. You can read about it here http://christianeveryday.com/index.php/you-are-more/. Be sure to enjoy the video too.

Great job on this Jack. All truth from the Bible. AND God gets the glory again brother.

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 11:52 am

Thank you Pam. I needed your encouragement today because this has already and will continue to be a target of much criticism. I can not back down and this is not my own personal opinion either for if it were, then it has not authority or truth behind it. Jesus said that the truth sets us free…but it also makes people mad. I can live with that and thank you for your words that have helped me to stand firm in not what I say or believe but the Word of God says.

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Pamela Rose Williams April 5, 2013 at 12:19 pm

You reminded me of a song. So here it is for your heart today: The B-I-B-L-E, yes that’s the Book for me. I stand alone on the Word of God. The B-I-B-L-E!

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John11 April 5, 2013 at 11:51 am

I can’t help thinking Jesus would be hanging around with homosexuals today as he always associated with the outcasts of society. It upsets me to see the contempt with which some Christians view them. Classic example of judging and ignoring the plank of wood in your own eye.
I also think Jesus would not approve of obsessing and going on about homosexuality. Accepting Jesus and his message and perpetuating his love through his example is paramount. Jesus told us we that that is far more important than splitting hairs over other people’s sins based on fragments of the Old Testament.
Perhaps this is no different to eating pork?
Controversial I know, but I’m just going to carry on loving and living Jesus, and encouraging others to do the same.

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 12:00 pm

John, you are right…He probably would associate with them but like Jesus told the woman caught in adultery in John 8:11 ” “Go now and leave your life of sin.” or “now go, and sin no more.” The truth is not popular but sin must be called sin and we are all told to repent. I was a drug dealer and so if I continued in this and did not repent, Jesus would associate with me still, yes, but He would also say, “now go and sin no more.” Accepting Jesus is accepting the truth and Jesus said “”If you love me, keep my commands.” (John 14:15). Are you suggesting that homosexuality is okay? Eating pork is the old Mosaic Law, but homosexuality like adultery is still sin today.

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John11 April 5, 2013 at 12:08 pm

Is homosexuality ok? I honesty don’t know.
And I think the jury is still out on whether people are born homosexual.
But to me it’s irrelevant.
I defer to my conscience and that tells me that building my own relationship with Christ and reaching out to others through trying to be Christlike is most important. Not to analyse others sins or otherwise.
I enjoy your articles and I’m not trying to be provocative I hope you understand!

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 12:19 pm

Thank you John11. I appreciate your graciousness my friend. For me to openly condemn homosexuality theologically makes me no more a “gay basher” than I am an “adultery basher”, “premarital sex basher” but actually I am not condemning them…there is room for forgiveness for us all. I stand on what the Bible says because human opinion is worthless compared to what God says.

1 Cor 6:9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals” 1 Tim 1:9-10 “realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers” Rom 1:26-27 “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.”

If the homosexual community chooses to practice homosexuality in privacy, that is there free choice. But let such persons know for certain that the Christian Bible condemns all such practices and God will judge them unfit for the kingdom of heaven if the continue to practice and openly promote homosexual sex. I am not condemning anyone and not analyzing sins of others. The Bible is my source. I have reached out to homosexuals just as I have anyone else who has not put their trust in Christ. I appreciate your patience with me my friend.

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Anon April 5, 2013 at 12:56 pm

Hello,
Thanks for the article,
I have struggled with homosexuality, Pornography, and general sexual addiction.

I have com to the conclusion that my life I have lived is wrong! But I seek to speak to those struggling and need more insight.

When I came to Jesus I was convinced that I needed to be perfect, that first I needed to become riotous then Jesus would help me.
So I forced myself to be straight trying to heal myself
the most traumatizing thing is I would loose the battle of sin and be crushed by the law.

Then it dawned on me that I wasn’t allowing Jesus to heal me I was relying on myself. I only realized this when someone pointed out that repentance is not trying to become perfect but a change of heart and mind, Meaning relying on Jesus

For example why would you tell a sick person to heal before going to the hospital?

And if Jesus in this scenario is the hospital and the sinner the sick person wouldn’t it make more sense to go to Jesus?

Of course it would just because you believe in Jesus doesn’t mean you wont sin, Repentance means a change of heart acknowledging your wrong and letting God heal you.

I have had a lot of success from this, What I did is pray to God and not force myself to stop being attracted to men and porn, instead I just trusted God to deliver me, I didn’t really change anything I continued to watch porn and still was attracted to men
but knew god would deliver me.

Over time I have realized I have changed my ways, or more specifically God has, And this was only possible because I moved out of the way, and let God in

Jesus didn’t die for the righteousness but the sick that’s why its crucial to teach repentance in this way because you risk putting someone under the law instead of Jesus.

My word of advice is stop trying and just pray and trust God to change you, believe me he will.

Oh if your wondering I don’t really care about men in a sexual way nor do I really care about porn, I prefer to just worship god and, in the future have a wife and move on to the next chapter.

This was only possible when I moved out of the way and let Jesus do his work
This is true repentance and faith.

Don’t teach repent from your ways… No repent in your heart and trust GOD and GOD alone to deliver you!

Source: Bible
Personal experience!

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm

Hello Anon. What a wonderful post. I loved this so much..and yes, we need to rely on God to help us change and not expect to be perfect and then come to Christ. There is so much wisdom in what you say. Even today, after having overcome a strong drug addiction for years and years, I am still tempted by old friends of mine who are still engaging in that. I don’t disassociate myself from them…I try to show them that Jesus isn’t waiting for them to be perfect and come to them…but let them come to Him and put their trust in Him to become righteous in God’s sight for it says in 2 Cor 5:21 that “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

That is why its called the “good news” and I am not ashamed of the Gospel and am eager to tell others my own sins and faults too so that they might have hope in Christ for there is no hope in any other thing or person.

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Anon April 5, 2013 at 1:11 pm

Being a person who has dealt with this sin
I have to shed light on whats helped me and what is damaging about this article!

In the theological world a war is happening over the word repentance.

Some say repentance is to stop sinning
Others say repentance is to simply just believe in Jesus

I have tried both exsamples here is my experience
At first when I had a revelation of jesus I felt I needed to be perfect in order to believe in him
So I forced myself straight stopped watching porn, Using fowl language and basically changed everything

In order to be worthy of repentance, Soon I felt like I was being crushed spiritually because my sin was great!
I failed time after time after time.

So I came to a decision
I would either stop sinning or commit suicide

Obviously I kept sinning and wanted to die and not live anymore.
Then God saved me, I came across this article that claimed many Christians teach that people need to repent from their sin then salvation comes, But why would a sick person heal themselves in order to go to a hospital

If god is the hospital and we (sinners) are the sick you don’t need to wait you need to run to that hospital as soon as possible

Salvation is a gift from Jesus, And no one is worthy of it, No one will go to heaven from their works nor their own righteousness, To say someone wont enter heaven is false because no one earns their way into heaven for no one is worthy, Salvation is a gift to all that accept it!

which is accepted at the moment of repenting, meaning changing your heart twords him, after that you are saved

So I did this, caste my burden of homosexuality on his shoulders, Hes healed me and now I barely even feel tempted by it,

But I was only able to heal when I got out of the way (trying to force myself to stop) and let him in
You don’t come to god righteous you come to him sick and he will help you

If you say you have faith let me challenge it by saying
if you have a problem take no steps to correct it, Just pray about it and know God will change your heart!

When I caste my burden on jesus the next day I watched porn, I admitted it knew it was wrong but felt no guilt because I knew god would come through from me!

Over time I loss the desires because I knew the love and mercy of GOD

My biggest piece of advice is to not fix yourselves because you will fail,
Caste it on God through prayer and go about your life have faith and Jesus will do the rest

That is the truth!

God Bless!

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Joe Sewell May 5, 2013 at 6:10 pm

What you describe, Anon, is *true* repentance.

The word “repent” in the Bible is a translation of words that mean to turn away or to change one’s mind firmly. The KJV says that God “repented” of prophecies of harm he was going to bring on one group or another for their sin. Since God cannot sin, “repent” cannot mean to stop sinning.

Repentance simply means to choose, firmly and decisively, to turn away, in this case from sin. That doesn’t mean we will stop sinning any more than it did for the apostle Paul. Our conscience, though, is pricked deep down, and we wish we had never done it again. It’s a feeling that simply cannot be described in words that an unrepentant person can understand, because it’s a feeling that comes only from the condition of repentance.

The homosexual, the porn addict, the luster, the liar, the cheater, the robber, all will continue to be tempted and fall after they repent. All can be forgiven if they will make God more important than their sin.

That brings up another issue: a sinner is not defined by the sin. They aren’t the sin. They sin — no, sorry, WE sin — because we are sinners in the flesh. Yet when we repent and confess those sins to God, He is faithful and just in forgiving us of our sins, and cleansing us from all unrighteousness, not because we deserve it, but in spite of deserving just the opposite. Hating the sin of homosexuality does not require hating homosexuals, just as hating the sin of lying does not mean we must hate all liars. That, though, is a distinction we must make vividly clear, because unrepentant sinners cannot (or will not) see that difference.

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Linda Stanhope June 13, 2014 at 5:15 am

I am grateful for the majority of the comments to this article have been written in a loving manner. Let’s remember too, that when these abuses as mentioned above open doors not only to experiences, they are opened to the demonic as well. There usually needs to be some deliverance and expelling of demons. Yes. Take some time to ask the Lord what is still inside the mind (brain) and let the Holy Spirit expose it. Then do some self deliverance or see a trusted counselor to help you. I have found in my counseling experience that this is much needed for most people. The spirits continue to live within us and will not leave unless they are told to! Successfully routing out the trespassing demons is the final step to freedom. 🙂

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Mabel J April 5, 2013 at 1:29 pm

Great and difficult article to write on especially now a days. Charles Spurgeon said “Have you no wish for others to be saved? Then you are not saved yourself. Be sure of that.” –

We must let others know what God has revealed to us through His Word. All of us have sinned and we all Need Jesus as our Savior. Homosexuality is just another sin, which we must realize and repent from in order to show evidence or fruits of our Salvation.

Sin is sin and homosexuality is no harder to brake away from and leave behind than it is to stop doing drugs, drinking, partying, cussing, obscene music, pornography, lying, stealing, envying, gossiping and I could go on and on.

We nee God’s help, we just need to be willing to seek and obediently receive that help. He will finished the work He started in us if we let Him; He promised and He is faithful that promised.

“Not that our salvation should be the effect of our work, but our work should be the evidence of our salvation.” – Charles Spurgeon — In this awesome quote from CS, I would just replace the word “work” with “life style” … GREAT ARTICLE! GOD BLESS! 😀

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Thank you so much Mabel for such an encouraging comment. Truly, Charles Spurgeon was among the greatest preachers of all time and he was not afraid to call out sinners to repentance and to call sin, sin! You are exactly right…we need Jesus’ power to overcome sin no matter what that sin is. All sin is an affront to a Holy God and surely He has made a way out of sin by Christ Jesus (2 Cor 5:21) and to which we are eternally grateful and can never repay. C.S. Lewis was icing on the cake on this comment and I truly thank God for you Mabel.

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Anon April 5, 2013 at 1:41 pm

Sorry for the double post and Jack you have been a source of wisdom for me during my walk
praise GOD that this site exist

And wanted to say I am not condoning sin, I am just saying that the life GOD wants for us is to live it to the fullest

And that we all have placed dirt where GOD intended to put jewels!

GOD bless this website and I look forward to future articles!!

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 1:43 pm

Amen Anon. I understood what you said and it was well received sir. You are always welcome and the openness and honest with which you speak is truly refreshing and for you sir, I thank God for.

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Robert April 5, 2013 at 2:09 pm

Great job on a subject that is currently under much debate. It is also a subject shrouded in much misinformation. Your article goes a long way in clearing up, and providing helpful information. I’m sure you will endure flack from those who don’t realize that you do what you do out of love for them, but the Bible is clear on this subject and we are called to teach the Bible. God bless you, Jack. Great work, and I will be praying that this article touches many souls for Christ.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm

Thank you so very much Robert. I loved your comment that this is done in love for love speaks the truth even in the midst of much persecution. I agree that the Bible is very clear but no one is beyond the grace that God extends to us all. May God bless you too sir for your words of encouragement.

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Patricia Schneider April 5, 2013 at 7:28 pm

Hello, Pastor Jack
HALLELUJAH!!! God has finally answered my prayer!

This is the first time I’ve read this particuar article on homosexuality, though we’ve discussed it before on another page of WCWTK. Don’t know if you remember, Pastor, about my wondering about 2 people of same sex loving each other, that it was OK in God’s eyes? For some reason, I resisted your advice, as well as some of the commentators’. So, since
then I’d prayed for homosexuals/lesbians and also for myself in understanding God’s Word, to truly believe.
Today, April 5, 2013, God has blessed me with the grace of comprehension. Your words about God not ‘compromising’ on sin opened my heart to finally understanding. Bless you, Pastor Jack!!! (Wow! The Holy Spirit indeed works through your writings, Pastor!!! And I’m so blessed to be the reader of such terrific articles and Scripture!!)
Of course I’ll continue my daily prayers for homosexuals/lesbians. And Praise God profusely for His Grace! (As I told someone recently, my heart takes a delirious leap whenever prayers are answered. LOL)
Always in Christ, Jesus…Patty

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Jack Wellman April 5, 2013 at 7:39 pm

Hi Patty. As I said in my conclusion, homosexuals who are not practicing this lifestyle and trying to overcome it should be welcomed by churches and not condemned for Christians can not cast the first stone unless it would be at their own selves. The same could be said of former drug abusers who are still tempted (like me), like former prisoners, alcoholics, and so on. The churches would be empty if we eliminated everyone who has sinned. I want to join you in praying for those who are striving to come out of this just as others who are lost are striving to come out of their other sins like adultery, pornography, stealing, and so on. You are more kind to me than I deserve.

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Crystal McDowell April 6, 2013 at 12:06 am

Dear Jack,

I love your way of breaking down what could’ve been a hard truth to speak life to those who live in bondage to sin. Keep writing words of encouragement and knowledge for us!

God Bless!

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Jack Wellman April 6, 2013 at 12:25 pm

Thank you Crystal so much. It is a hard subject but I know that we must not compromise what God has written in His Word, even if its not politically correct. I appreciate your encouragement my friend.

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terry April 6, 2013 at 10:06 am

How About… Let the first one without sin cast the first stone. Who are you to judge?
God loves and accepts ALL his children! It is only wrong in your eyes because of your fear and ignorance! Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do!

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Jack Wellman April 6, 2013 at 12:31 pm

Thank you Terry for your comment. Which Bible verses or verse do you disagree with that I quoted that says that homosexuality is a sin? This article is not my own personal opinion. I am not casting stones…I am standing on the Rock of Truth, the Bible, and for that I will not apologize. God’s children are those who obey Him. Who are you to judge me? Let the Bible verses speak and which verses you don’t believe, please let us know.

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Pearl April 6, 2013 at 12:40 pm

I am always astounded by the number of people who call us to task on what they say is “judging”, but what about discernment? I had a family member who accused me of judging and I told him the Word allows me to discern between right and wrong and it is VERY CLEAR. THank you, Jack for addressing this issue in love and responding with such grace.

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Jack Wellman April 6, 2013 at 12:45 pm

Thank you Pearl. Human wisdom is foolishness to God, including my own. I agree, it is not a grey area but clearly black and white and I trust the Word of God and not my own understanding for God’s Word is always true. I am not judging anyone, let God and His Word be the Judge. Some comments were so derogatory and inflammatory (not to mention some had language that did not allow comments to be approved) but I do allow for those who disagree but it is God Whom they disagree with and not me. Thank you Pearl. I needed your encouragement for I have had many unkind comments are remarks but on the Rock of Truth, the Bible I stand. Amen…discernment and judging are two different things.

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Joe Sewell May 5, 2013 at 6:20 pm

Where does Jack “cast stones?” Stoning a person in the days Jesus walked the earth was a death sentence. Where is Jack saying that a sinner should be killed?

Read the whole story for yourself and note that the woman was caught in the act of adultery, she never denied it, and that the whole thing was a show to prove Jesus was an unworthy teacher. He never denied that stoning was an appropriate punishment under the Mosaic law. On the other hand, He also knew what was going on in the hearts of everyone around Him.

Jesus pointed out the sins of the Scribes and Pharisees, and many others. Some of them confessed and chose to turn away from those sins. Others never would. Jesus knew that, and He knew which ones would make which decision.

Consider the stone you may have just thrown in your message.

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Pearl April 6, 2013 at 1:33 pm

I am glad I could offer encouragement. I do not understand why people have to be so ugly when they don’t agree but then again, they don’t know Christ’s love and are lost. I will pray for them, that they will receive Christ and turn from their sin.

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Jack Wellman April 6, 2013 at 2:03 pm

Thanks again Pearl. One thing Jesus did was to point out sin when He saw it and when we do the same thing, it is done in love. Which is more loving…to accept people as they are without repentance and putting their trust in Christ or to say that “God is love and that He loves all people.?” God is love yes, but not to the exclusion of His holiness for “In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30) and “The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.” (2 Pet 3:9).

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Chevelle April 6, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Hey Jack,
This is an amazing article. Thank you for shedding light on this subject. I know alot of people are vehement about believing homosexuality is ok, and they seek to influence other people to believe that it is okay. I see it being strewn all over the media and I can’t even log onto my yahoo email without seeing some post or news story about it. They either are glamorizing the sin or degrading someone who is trying to speak up about it being wrong.

Its really a shame because so many people can be helped to turn their life around if they believe and TRUST God. I have seen people walk out of that lifestyle and sin, and its something amazing to see! The transformation is unreal and so amazing that it had to have been through God.

Thank you for spreading the truth. You and God must REALLY be close because you shed light on some really hard truths. He also loves you a great deal! Everyone says that homosexuality is just like any other sin, but its a sin dealing with the perversion of something so precious and something that God put here for us to enjoy and live with until we are to be with him.

God Bless Jack!

Chevelle M.

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Jack Wellman April 7, 2013 at 8:37 pm

Thank you Chevelle. Truly I grieve over those who feel trapped or feel that homosexuality is okay in God’s eyes. As Derek said, how can we say it’s okay when God clearly reveals it is sin and I can not hide this fact…even if it means persecution, and sadly, much of it comes from other believers, which grieves me even worse. May God have mercy on us all. Thank you for your encouraging remarks my friend.

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JJ June 22, 2013 at 3:56 pm

This basically my interpretation.

Although I may not agree with homosexuality due to the clear condemnation it’s received in the Bible that is my own belief system. I am Christian.

As a citizen of the world, I must realize that there are other cultures/religions/beliefs and a true Christian would respect this. Whilst I may not agree with homosexuality and condone its act, I don’t think I have any right to condemn others who believe it’s right. Just because I’ve accepted the Bible as truth doesn’t mean that others, and if Jesus taught us nothing else it was to love thy neighbour and respect one another.

If tolerating homosexuality means preserving increasingly sky-rocketing suicide rates in teenagers then so be it. I’ll go on living the way I’ve been raised up.

I guess my response is: Live as Jesus taught us, and try to emulate him. In such a way we can promote Christianity without relentlessly pushing a religious agenda.

And be tolerant of these sins, even if we believe they’re wrong. I have homosexual friends, and I let them live their lifestyle because it is not my right to tell them what to do. If that makes me a bad Christian then so be it. I’d rather be a supportive, caring, loving friend, then be some coldhearted harpy that preaches but doesn’t truly listen.

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Jack Wellman June 23, 2013 at 5:59 pm

JJ, thanks for your comment. No one is really condemning homosexuals but I quote the Bible as being crystal clear on those who do such things will not be going to heaven but hell. If we refuse to tell people what the Bible or actually God judges, then we are not faithful messengers. Some churches and some “Bible” teachers are now allowing homosexuals to attend and even marrying them in their church and allowing them to become members and this is contrary to the Bible’s teaching. That is what this is about. None of us, the readers or the author (me) are condemning them…but revealing that God does not compromise with this sin. Homosexuals would be welcome in my church as long as they are not practicing this. Just like alcoholics are welcome if they are not being drunk regularly. Does this make sense. It is more coldhearted to not tell them the truth than to do as some churches or “pastors” tell them “It’s okay….” when it is not.

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Pearl April 6, 2013 at 3:42 pm

There was a retired pastor near where I lived who made it his mission to counsel those struggling with this lifestyle and wanting to leave it behind. Some of my friends and acquaintances said the most awful things about him and he was sincere in his ministry but this is what you get when people follow the world rather than the WORD. Vilify what is good and idolize what is wrong.

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Dereck April 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Hi Pearl,

I am so sorry to hear that. I have seen different programs that discuss how people have stopped practicing this lifestyle and now are married and have children. Now, if this is something that is born into you, then, how can you turn your back on it?

I do not judge people who are living this way, because I have committed other sins, so, I cannot judge anyone!!! I just want to pray for those who practice this lifestyle as well as myself.

Peace and Love

Dereck

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Jack Wellman April 7, 2013 at 8:40 pm

This is sad…and I agree with Derek. We are not to condemn but to speak the truth and do so in love and I am sure this pastor suffered for no good reason. I too have counseled those in homosexuality to find ways to address this and give them real help in prayer but only God can empower them…or us, to escape sins but that is where Christ’s power enables us to be set free. Thank you my friend for saying this and you bring up a most excellent point.

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Chevelle June 24, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Agreed. I had a friend who was bent on giving up her faith because she always thought that homosexuality was OK in her eyes. Its really sad to see people so misled on this sin. It really comes from not wanting to trust the word and only trusting the WORLD. I remember learning the hard about trusting the world and following its “wisdom” (which really isn’t wisdom at all). I hear a lot of people saying that we (Christians) condemn because of fear and ignorance. But it really is their fear of the truth and their ignorance of God’s word that won’t allow them to how dark this sin actually is. I know someone who walked out of that lifestyle, and I must say, it really was a miracle for that person.

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Jack Wellman June 24, 2013 at 6:23 pm

Thank you Chevelle. Those “preachers” or “pastors” actually display love by warning those to flee from such things. Paul told the Thesalonians to stop stealing and to work and not leach off of others. To allow a person to continue practicing homosexuality is to condone it as okay in God’s eyes and that other sins are acceptable like drunkards can still get drunk or thieves can still steal and be accepted as members of God’s church. This is not so of course. Just like I had to quit and repent of my former drug use and selling drugs, so too must we not practice such things. Having said that, those who come out of the homosexual lifestyle are welcome in my church and will be embraced, prayed for, fasted over, given accountability partners to help them stay out of this sin, just as we would someone addicted to pronography.

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Derek Hill April 7, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Jack, this was a great article brother. You allowed God to speak for you and no matter what anyone says, you spoke truth to the fullest on this one. The Bible is 100% crystal clear on this topic and your words were full of grace, truth and love. Thank you for delivering an article on such a controversial and tough issue. You did it well! God spoke thorough this one for sure! If you throw out one part of the Bible, you might as well throw it all out. God is clear that homosexuality is wrong and who are we to say that HE is wrong? God bless you brother! Great job as always!

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Jack Wellman April 7, 2013 at 8:42 pm

Thank you brother. You said something very insightful and delightful…that “who are we to say HE is wrong” (He being God). Great observation. It is the message they hate not really the messenger but yes, it is 100% clear and we are speaking the truth in love. Grace and truth. Grace without truth is hypocrisy, truth without grace is brutality. There is both grace and truth…and that is found only in Jesus Christ.

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Patricia Schneider April 8, 2013 at 4:40 am

Wow, Pastor Jack! Your replies to the commentators’ comments on this “touchy” subject just keep continuing to get more & more insightful! And enlightening of God’s Word.
Appreciated Pearl’s comments…about the difference between “discernment” and “judging.” (Maybe some folks just need to look in the dictionary now & then! LOL!)
True, as you know, Pastor, I’ve had some trouble comprehending the meanings of Scripture (still do, sometimes!) but you’ve been there for me, guiding and teaching me.
For instance, remember how I always call meself, “Dense City?” You kept telling me I wasn’t ‘dense.’ Then gave me an example of your own by telling about when Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane when the soldiers came to arrest
Him. When asked, ‘Are you Jesus?’ And He replied, “I am.” How the soldiers fell back in fear ’cause the words were attributed to God? (Sorry, can’t recall Scripture verse.) And how one day it hit you what that story really meant? (Am I making sense here, Pastor? Please, correct me if wrong. OK?)
I thought that was so sweet and humbling of you to share that with me, Pastor Jack.
Understand how difficult writing this article has been for you, Pastor. And some of the comments? As I said above, this particular article FINALLY opened my heart to comprehending God’s Word. I DO BELIEVE NOW WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT PRACTICING THIS PARTICULAR SIN. Just like any other sins we commit.
Have a good, happy week, Pastor Jack!
Always in Christ, Jesus…Patty

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Jack Wellman April 8, 2013 at 11:41 am

Thank you Patty. I believe the truth sometimes offends. I once heard a pastor say that the Bible “comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable.” and what Derek said in an earlier comment. If God says it is sin, who are we to disagree with God. In love we must speak the truth and offense will sometimes occur. That is a price I am willing to pay for I fear God more than man(kind).

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Patricia Schneider April 8, 2013 at 4:42 am

Meant “commentators’ replies,” not “comments.” Being persnickety, sorry!

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Esmeralda May 17, 2013 at 12:44 am

hi, i have a question. What about a couple that are the same sex live together and love each other very much but they don’t practice any sexual act. Are they still sinning?

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Jack Wellman May 17, 2013 at 10:55 am

Hello Esmeralda. I do not see anything sinful about such an arrangement. Thanks for your question.

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esmeralda May 20, 2013 at 6:08 pm

Thank you for the response.

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Munya August 6, 2013 at 12:23 am

Anon, praise God you made it but there are points of error that you made. God never says one should continue to sin and pray about their sin for him to deal with it. Does the word not tell us to “to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling?” God is not autopilot who gets a hold of you and just changes you, he is a gentleman, you have to let him in. Just like you say he is the hospital, for you to go there you have to first of all accept that you are sick and you need help from an expert, and when you go there you must trust him enough to let him see your nakedness and let him deal with you. its gonna be hard taking off all your clothes and it will take time, but eventually you have to take them ALL off.
As much as repentence is a change of heart and a mindset, the biggest part is of you allowing God but it doesnt say u dont play a part. When u lived in sin, you fed your mind with sinful things like porn, vulgar and the like and so sin appeared natural and now that you are before the good doctor you have to stop feeding yourself with things that will grow that appetite again and feed on his word, prayer, get a mentor who wont judge you but will be a bit hard on you so that you wont settle for less than what God has planned for your life etc etc
What am i saying? That when you repent you have to show your faith by shunning evil too. You may struggle at first but God sees your heart and he will still help you up when you fall but that desire not to sin should be in you. I cant continue having sex and pray God helps me to stop. I should stop having sex and believe God to help me to break any desires for that sin. I hope you hear me well- for the bible also says: if one continues to sin after receiving the knowledge of truth, there is no sacrifice for that sin for its like you have mocked the blood sacrifice Jesus made.
So in as much as some points of your script were right, for u to have continued watching porn, that is not scriptural lest you lead some others into a comfort zone of sinning and praying until it is routine to sin and pray afterwards.

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Holly December 29, 2013 at 3:38 am

You cited that there have been many scientific studies done that show homosexuality is not something you were born with. You noted that if it were possible, genetics would only be a very small part off it. This goes against all of the new studies and research that is available. It seems you are completely ignoring the facts and current research and its a slap in the face to us in the medical community. There is so much more to this than what you even begin to acknowledge you are flushing out facts and putting blinders on to support your ” opinion”. Let me note that I ama straight married woman whos only interest is the medical side of this that you are dismissing.

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Dereck December 29, 2013 at 9:58 am

Hello Holly,

Let me just say this, we as believers, first of all, we believe this book (the Bible) is the word of God, if you believe in God, you HAVE to believe this word. Homosexuality is mentioned in the old testament and the new. So, it covers EVERYONE. Second, what medical research is there out there which talks about this, where is it? I would like to see it. And I am sure Jack would like to see it as well.

Peace and Love

Dereck

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Jack Wellman December 29, 2013 at 12:48 pm

Amen Dereck. The truth is hard to take sometimes but God cannot lie and it is crystal clear that drunkards, adulterers, and homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. I do not have blinders but I do have the Word of God which is fully truthful. The truth sets you free or it makes you really made. My personal opinion is worthless but God’s Word abides forever. Thanks brother.

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Jack Wellman December 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm

Thank you Holly for your comment. My opinion is not important but God’s Word is and clearly homosexual behavior is sin just as there are many others sins. I am not judging them but God’s Word is clear. Please provide me with these studies to see if they are done with sufficient sample size (number of participants) and any genetic studies that indicate that there is a “gay” or “lesbian” gene. I can’t find it. When I researched this, there was virtually nothing done according to scientific standards. Anyway, what about alcoholics who they say are born with a predisposition of becoming an alcoholic? Does this mean that they are just victims of their genes and not responsible for public drunkenness or killing someone by drunk driving? No, the law is clear and God’ laws are clear too. I have never said in this article “Here is my opinion” but here is what God says in His word. By the way, we are all born with a sin gene. That is we are all predisposed to sinning but that doesn’t mean that we should say, “Well, I was born a sinner so I can’t help my self.” No, sin is a choice just as drunkenness, adultery, and homosexuality of which is clear that those who do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. I do not have blinders but I do have the Word of God which is fully truthful. The truth sets you free or it makes you really made.

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Thonas Wade June 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm

What about brain differences between gay and straight people?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/22/AR2008062201994.html

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Jack Wellman June 11, 2014 at 5:41 pm

Thank you Mr. Wade for your comment and the link. This article was very interesting but as I quote them in the next few paragraphs that;

“some argue that such research is far from conclusive. I remain skeptical,” said William Byne, a professor of psychiatry at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. “There’s been a history of jumping to conclusions and overinterpreting findings in this field.”

Several earlier studies have found what appear to be differences between the brains of gay and straight people. In 1991, brain scientist Simon LeVay reported that the hypothalamus, which is involved in sexual behavior, tended to be smaller in gay men. Other researchers subsequently showed that the brains of gay and straight people appeared likely to respond differently to sexual images. The researchers who conducted the new study previously reported that the brains of gay and straight men seemed to react differently to suspected pheromones — odors thought to be involved in sexual arousal.

But such research is fraught with uncertainty, and it could not rule out that the findings were the result of changes that occurred in response to experiences and behaviors, rather than being inborn.

Others said that that interpretation was highly speculative, but at the very least the findings support the idea that there tend to be fundamental differences in brain structure, supporting the idea that sexual orientation is inborn.”

What troubles me about this is they don’t give the number of people sampled, what their sexual preferences were and so much more data missing as I checked out the report in the link and there was very, very little info about how many were in the study (which greatly impacts the + or – of the accuracy of a study, as sample sizes do), where this was done (in San Fran for example or in Oklahoma City?), and much more. The report itself said that it was highly speculative and inconclusive so this really doesn’t say anything concrete.

Even if there is a tendency in some, which has never, ever been conclusively proven, we all have a sin gene and we are all sinners. That is inherited as well, is it not? We are not victims of our genes my friend but for those who repent and trust in Christ they will be saved.

The Bible is clear that 1 Cor 6:9-11 says “Or do you not know that the unrighteous[b] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” and

“ I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” (1 Cor 5:9-13).

That is conclusive but Paul said that “such WERE some of you” meaning they had to repent, like we all do. To believe that this is acceptable to God is to contradict what God says. I too ONCE was a drunkard, sexually immoral” and so on but I stopped, repented, and trusted in Christ. That is what we all have to do since we are all born into sin and we all sin (Rom 6:123; Rom 3:23). Make sense sir? Thank you.

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Lynnae Goodwin January 2, 2015 at 7:52 pm

Dear Mr. Jack,
Thanks for being so honest. I read a lot of your articles and I admire you, your courage in the Word and what God has done in your life. I was “you” too.
I was debating on how to “help” gay friends. Honestly, I can’t come up with a way but to pray for them. I want to be truthful and honest, but I am not perfect myself. Should I only help them if they ask me too, or just refer them to the Bible and what it says?
You are awesome for what you do, God Bless you.
Lynnae

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Jack Wellman January 2, 2015 at 8:05 pm

Thank you Mrs. Goodwin for your encouraging comment. I know this is a hard issue. We have a person who still has same-sex attraction in our church and we love him and we care for him and we prayed for him and he came out of this sin but it takes God’s Holy Spirit to reveal Who Christ is and why a person needs Him as their Savior. The law convicts us all…so we are all in no better shape than a man or woman who practices same sex relations. We can pray for them just as my later mother did for me; a former drug dealer, drug abuser, thief who ended up in prison but was saved so someone that cares for them can ask the Holy Spirit to convict them of their sin…to see that they are going to face God’s judgment someday (i.e. Rev 20:12-15) and for God to be merciful to them as He was to us because we were no better…we were just as big of a sinner as any homosexual is or was and all of us truly deserved God’s wrath and homosexual people must be loved and prayed for. You can refer them to the Bible verses mentioned in this article and politely, and kindly ask them what they think? Then pray, pray, pray because only God can change the human heart (Prov 21:1) but He does use us as the means to the end (reaching salvation hopefully). It takes a woman or man of God, with the Spirit of God, using the Word of God, praying in the Spirit of God, to make children of God for the glory of God. The best thing is to ask them questions….”what do you think 1st Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-27 means to you?” and then don’t debate. Pray, let God’s Spirit convict them…and don’t lose heart…the seed of God’s Word sometimes take a very, very long time to germinate and sprout and may not be seen for many months or years but someone else may come along later and water but it is GOD alone Who gives the increase; read this http://jackwellman.blogspot.com/2014/07/god-evangelist.html#! to see why I say that. Thank you for caring. May God richly bless your compassionate heart for the lost. Love that.

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Al January 24, 2015 at 9:03 pm

Jack,
I want to commend you for your willingness to write/speak the truth in love, as we are commanded to do. I do take slight exception to a couple of things you mentioned. You made several comments (I think I have them in the order you wrote them): “Homosexuals who are not practicing this lifestyle and trying to overcome it should be welcomed by churches and not condemned,”…”Homosexuals would be welcome in my church as long as they are not practicing this. Just like alcoholics are welcome if they are not being drunk regularly,”…”I had to quit and repent,”…”but I stopped, repented, and trusted in Christ,” that I believe could be clarified due to the order of what precedes, and what follows. Additionally, perhaps a clarification in the definition of “a homosexual,” is called for. What makes a homosexual a homosexual? Is it the sexual act (practicing this), or the ingrained desire of same-sex attraction (from practicing homosexuality or desiring a same-sex relationship) who doesn’t practice the sexual act? I think that you might agree that if one is consumed with same-sex desires (or opposite-sex lustful desires), that this would constitute the violation Jesus spoke about in Matt. 5:28 and the covenant Job described in Job 31. This dilemma surfaces when dealing with what falls under the modern-day rubric of ‘addictive behaviors.’ As a former smoker who quit, and doesn’t smoke, am I still considered a smoker (if I sometimes find the whiff of some pipe/cigar/cigarette tobacco smoke somewhat enticing)? As a former chronic abuser of alcohol (alcoholic by all symptom charts), who quit drinking alcohol for many years, but now limits himself occasionally to one or two small glasses of wine with a meal, or a beer before bedtime, am I considered a drunkard (KJV) or alcoholic? If drinking alcohol without getting drunk is a sin or not permissible, which cannot be gleaned from scripture, then I’m still an alcoholic/drunkard, which is the abstinence model used by AA and substance abuse professionals. So when you state that homosexuals would be welcome in your church “as long as they are not practicing this,” what is the implication? That they are homosexuals, but just not engaging in the physical act? That means/implies that homosexuality is a condition of the mind, not of the body. So if as a married heterosexual, I look lustfully at women, I’d be OK as far as you’re concerned and welcome in your church, as long as I don’t practice physical adultery? My concern has to do with inclusion/exclusion from being welcomed in your church. I’m not trying to make the case for extending church membership (although I don’t find such a concept in scripture), but not welcoming the sinner, any sinner, into your congregation to be introduced to the gospel of Christ, really? So how do we/should we approach the ‘in good standing church member’ who struggles with pornography, anger, gossip, etc., after professing his faith in Jesus’ redemptive work at Calvary?

I also take exception to the order you describe(d) regarding repentance and our relationship to practicing sinful behaviors. For instance, you stated: “Just like I had to quit and repent of my former drug use and selling drugs, so too must we not practice such things.”…”‘I too ONCE was a drunkard, sexually immoral’ and so on but I stopped, repented, and trusted in Christ.” If you stopped before you repented, what was the repentance for, and why was it needed; you’d ostensibly already stopped committing these sins on your own? It seems to me that the scriptural sequence is repentance followed by and/or simultaneous with trusting in Christ, not the other way around. You allude to the fact that “we need Jesus’ power to overcome sin no matter what that sin is,” to which I wholeheartedly agree.

Regarding the last two comments: “I want to join you in praying for those who are striving to come out of this just as others who are lost are striving to come out of their other sins like adultery, pornography, stealing, and so on,”…I’m again confused a bit at the order of events. Striving to ‘come out of this, just as others WHO ARE LOST (my emphasis) are striving to come out of their other sins…and so on.’ It is my experience and my understanding of scripture that striving to come out of a life of sin is not only not possible; it’s not even attempted by those who are not under conviction of the Holy Spirit that they are lost, since they (none of us) ‘seek after God.’ When we are convicted of our sinful actions and desires and our need for a Savior by the Holy Spirit, we are then, and only then, able to repent and receive the gift/pardon extended by Christ’s substitutionary atonement.

I am in no way trying to ‘throw out the baby with the bathwater’ in relation to your comments, simply trying to see if a bit more precision in definition(s) and word order may be useful to the discussion.

Thanks for standing up to the ‘PC police’!!!

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Jack Wellman January 24, 2015 at 9:12 pm

Outstanding precision in correcting these loose ends sir. Well done. I said “I stopped, repented, and trusted in Christ’ but what I actually did was repented of those things, which meant I turned away from them and then put my trust in Christ. True also sir that none seek after God and the order those who are lost striving to come out of their others sins. I heard one wise Bible teacher say that “the Christian want is not hard…its impossible” and so too is our ability to overcome these on our own or in our own strength. I think you are so right on what you wrote that your comment should make me think more soundly on the orderly or process of a person’s being born again (actually being drawn or dragged is the Greek in John 6:44). Even the act of being born again is not a human, voluntary act as we are born “from above” (e.g. in John 3) so you make excellent points and my workmanship is horribly bad to which I am ashamed. Please forgive my unprofessional work here…(delete coming perhaps on this article?). Thank you for the “wounds of a friend” are better than the “kisses of an enemy” and you are helping me sir. Thank you.

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kassi anderson January 24, 2016 at 9:28 pm

God would NOT create a person to be a homosexual…call it a sin and then condemn them to hell. The bible is clear on what is a sin and what is immoral sexual behavior. This includes adultery and fornication. Anyone can repent, change, stop sinning…and be forgiven! But they have to be willing to stop the sin. We will always sin …even with a little white lie. Repenting is suppose to be sincere…and God knows our hearts. He wants ppl sincere in their love and commitment….stop the sin! He doesn’t want robots….and why we have ‘freewill’! In several passages, the Bible describes the devil as the deceiver and the great liar! Satan and the fallen angels (demons) are roaming earth and like a wild lion looking for someone to devour. Satan not only has false prophets denying the truth but false prophets twisting the truth. Everyone has their own demon/s to battle. Some battle publicly ….while others battle in private. Some win the battle…while others throw in the towel and live in torment….others continue sinning because it is exciting, fun, and what they want to do! Those that don’t believe in God, heaven and hell….Can go on believing in ‘magical explosions’… creating life instead of death (if that is really possible…why couldn’t God come from all the magic)….or believing in some apes changing into man/woman (changing some but not all)! Anything is possible…after all….over 300 billion people are spinning around on this magical ball called earth in a dark mass called space and no one falls off because our planet is one with the right amount of gravity…the right distance from other planets to survive…and magical males with seeds…and females with eggs for reproduction! The KJV bible still matches closely to the old scrolls revealing historical/scientific facts that would have been impossible to prove during that time….and abt 95% of the prophecies have come true….the final prophecies predicting the future have signs of being real. That is all I need to believe! I believe in demons….and I believe those confused on their sexuality is deceived by satan and his demons! http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Satan-WhatDoesTheBibleSay.html

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Mrs.Clyburn May 15, 2016 at 1:24 am

(Jack)…Ok can you explain what you mean by “Urges”…which is defined as a strong desire or impluse…the word STRONG is used in the definition so that cant be good…Also we are taught in Matt 5:27-28…that there is a such thing as to sin with your heat..so if a person has a STRONG desire( a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen…or strong sexual feeling or appetite) impulse(a sudden strong and unreflective urge or desire to act…the word STRONG again) isnt that considered sin within the heart? I think its these STRONG desires, impluses, urges, etc etc…that leads us to sin when the word STRONG is used it seems like any given moment we can fall victim to whatever it is that we are trying to avoid and that is NOT OKAY… If we are not constantly checking ourselves and putting on the full amor of God..so that we are presented before him as a radiant chruch without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless…than the things in which we know not to be acceptable will become acceptable…Question is it okay for a rapist to still have the urge to want to rape as long as he doesnt do it…would you still think that person was sick…how about a pedophile who still has the urge to molest children but doesnt actually do the act itself…is that okay…because we are taught that sin is sin and James 2:10-11 states” For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it”..(11)’For the one who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery but if you murder, you have become a transgressor of the law’…James 1:15 “Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.” by the way I love your work…just a food for thought…Take care…Peace and blessings to the body of Christ which is the Chruch…Jack keep up the good work you are very good and skilled in the Word and thats a true Blessing… May we continue to spread the “Good News”…and may the Lord and Saviour be with us all

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Mrs.Clyburn May 15, 2016 at 1:17 pm

Hello Jack i didnt read this until after my comment on this article. But Im glad that you willingly humbled yourself and took constructive criticism. I dont think you should delete this article because none of us are perfect and sometimes we get things wrong; say/and or write things but it comes out wrong and its not what we intended to convey…this article shows your human not a robot. What you do is hard work and there are far ad few who can do what you do…which is to speak the truth about Gods words and not twist and mold His words into your own truth. You dont know how refreshing that is. Its easy for us to correct because we are looking in but when your busy writing and several thoughts are running through your head and your trying to decipher which one truly connects to the topic so that your readers understand..sometimes things get fuzzy…dont fret..brush it off and keep it moving…which im sure you have because this article is still up. Again i love your work and from one fellow Christian to another…I love you..Peace and Blessings

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KIM March 13, 2017 at 10:33 am

Mrs. Clyburn I totally agree w you…God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow…today’s society has tried their hardest to make christianity “luke warm” and run it by “our own rule books” …God states very clearly what sin is and if we continue being tempted and follow in that sin than we have no place in the Kingdom of God…We are given the same authority that Jesus had when He walked this earth, WE NEED TO RECEIVE THAT AUTHORITY AND REBUKE AND CAST OUT ANY DEMONIC SPIRIT THAT IS ATTACHED TO US, AND SOUL TIES, AND ASK FOR DISCERNMENT AND WISDOM OF THE HOLY ONE, SO WE CAN BE FREE AND LIVE THE WAY THE LORD IS CALLING US TO, SO WE HAVE A PLACE SET FOR US IN THE HIGH HEAVENS, IN THEN NAME OF JESUS AMEN

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Spence July 11, 2017 at 7:32 pm

I was curious about this topic and so I asked God about it. I didn’t know if he would answer but he had been answering a lot of my questions and so I decided to ask him about this. When I asked if homosexuals are born that way, he replied, “Yes”, and then he paused because he knew I was surprised by his answer. He then went on and said, “That’s why they need to receive Jesus, so they can be delivered out of the sin they were born into.” At that point I understood……God never said that sin was only spiritual and not also a genetic condition…only that we are all born into sin. And I suppose, that some people are born into more than one kind of sin.

Of course, that doesn’t mean homosexuality is genetic, but it may be. Or it may be a demonic spiritual condition, or both. So I now agree when gays state that they are born that way, (the disagreement is over and we can move on) and then I point out to them, that being born that way is no excuse because God has already told us we are all born into some kind of sin. And that therefore they need to receive Jesus, so they can be delivered out of the sin they were born into.
That pretty much takes the wind out of their sails, and allows us to get to the important part of needing and receiving Christ. I must say that God’s answer was very surprising. That was the last thing I expected. In fact, it must have been him that moved me to ask a question that I figured I already knew the answer to.

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Jack Wellman July 11, 2017 at 9:22 pm

Thank you Spence. Well said sir.

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Beatrice Poultney October 1, 2018 at 7:31 pm

Isn’t there a place in the Bible where it says those who hear the truth and believe it but turn away from it will be caused to do immoral acts woman with woman and man with man? I always thought that was the reason for homosexuality. “18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” Romans 1:18-32

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Jack Wellman October 1, 2018 at 9:34 pm

Hello Beatrice. Thank you for your very good qeustion, and yes, that verse is in 2 Thess 2:11-12. What happens is that after they continually reject the truth, “they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened” (Rom 1:21), and so, “Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things” (Rom 1:22-23). It is at this point that “God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen” (Rom1:23-24). Again, “God gave them up to dishonorable passions” (Rom 1:26a), and for the third time, Paul writes that “since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done” (Rom 1:28). Three times “God gave them up. Read more on this here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2018/09/12/is-there-a-point-of-no-return/

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