Are Catholics Saved and Are They Christians?

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Are Catholics Christians?  Are Catholics saved?  Catholics go to confession before a priest; is this wrong?  Can Catholics ever be sure that the sacraments can save them?  How can Christians know if Catholics are saved?  Can a Catholic ever be sure of their salvation?

Roman Catholicism:  What is it?

The word Catholic literally means universal.  It does not mean a specific denomination per say.  It refers to a generally held and universal belief more than it does refer to a denomination.  The Catholic Church was the dominant force when it was able to convert the old Roman Empire, from the inside out.  During the many early years of Christianity, the church at Rome defended the veracity of the Bible, protected the belief of the Trinity, upheld the truthfulness of Jesus’ birth from the Virgin Mary, and built these beliefs in what is commonly called the Creed.  The Creed was a multifaceted document that stated the untenable beliefs of the Bible, of the holiness of God, and the prevention of heresies that came from many different sects.

Many of the early church patriarchs stated that these foundational beliefs were “catholic”; that is they were held universally in the church.  If any of these beliefs were not held by a church, then that particular faith or church was said to be heretical.  In other words, in a religious denomination or church did not believe that Jesus was both God and man, that the Bible is the perfect and infallible Word of God, and that God was three personages in One (the Trinity), then that church or denomination was a false church teaching a false gospel.

Catholic Church Doctrines

The Pope is said to be infallible.  Catholics confess their sins to the priest.  This church believes that is it the one and only true faith.  They understand that baptism saves, even in infancy.  They think that the sacraments are essential to salvation and that the Eucharist keeps them from sin.  And they believe that Mary is the co-redeemer and that they need to make intercessory prayer to her to reach God.[1]    This seems to tie works to their salvation.  That is, works alone are not enough to save.  Even so, the doctrines of the church may not be perfect, but God can still save those with imperfect understanding since Jesus alone saves.  What church has perfect understanding of all scripture?  What church is without error?  What believer knows all biblical doctrine without fault?  None do.

Are Catholics Saved?

I have heard other Christian’s state that since Catholics depend upon works they are not saved.  Other believers say that since they believe in works they are not truly Christians.  In fact, God alone knows for certain if they are saved or not.  I have known Catholics that live out their faith and profess a belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.  I have also known Catholics that show utterly no belief in God by their behavior or language.  I am not in a position to say whether a person is saved or not saved.  God is the only One Who knows their heart.  I will not venture to even guess because this is none of my business.

I had a co-worker who was a devout Catholic.  Last year she committed suicide and her church family at the service stated that she was going to hell…some thought she would be in purgatory for thousands of years.  Ironically, I asked this lady if she believed in Jesus Christ, if He was born of a virgin, if she believed that He died for her sins, if He died and was resurrected.  She believed all of these things, so in my humble opinion, I believe that I will see her someday in heaven.  The question of whether a believer can commit suicide and still be saved will be in a future article but from my understanding of the Bible, I believe that someone who accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior is securely saved.

Romans 8:38-39 says, “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” John 6:37 and 10:28-29 states, “All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away” and “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.  My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.”

The Final Judge

No human alive can look into the heart of another.  Only God alone knows the heart and He alone knows for certainty whether they have saving faith.  I am a finite being.  I am in no position to know if a particular Catholic is saved or not.  That is God’s prerogative alone.  Yes, some Catholics may not be actually saved, but I can also say that there are some who profess to be Christians who may also not be saved.  We are told to work out our own salvation, to make our profession sure, and to depend upon Jesus Christ and His atoning work at Calvary to save us.  We are saved by faith alone, by grace alone, in Christ alone.  And if a Catholic believes that Jesus Christ died for their sins, that He rose again, that He was both God and man, and that He alone can save, who am I to question anyone’s profession of faith.  Here by the grace of God am I.

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Ben December 16, 2012 at 1:26 pm

Adam you didn’t even respond to a thing I said did you? And you are just attacking my person. The bible says not one thing about the papacy and I don’t even agree with a lot of the things most protestants accept. I don’t think being a Christian means we just continue in sin. I believe it means repentance but Catholics add on so many things that seem to have no biblical basis and call them 100% infallible. I mean who can claim that Mary ascended to heaven? Really? Were the people who claimed that even alive when Mary was alive? No they weren’t. The RCC just adds things that fit their beliefs like that historically and call it the tradition of the church when it is just the tradition of man. I am not here to defend myself. I am a sinful man who struggles to not compromise his faith often but seriously this isn’t about me in the slightest. You don’t even know what I believe at all, you just assumed it. I don’t have to assume, I know much of what the RCC teaches and assuming you are a Catholic you hold to what they teach. I don’t know what to say but attacking me isn’t going to prove anything since I didn’t even say I believe all of those things. We could talk about all of that stuff for hours and hours if we wanted to and we would get nowhere. I have plenty of stuff to say about all of that but there is no point to just argue about it all really is there?


Adam gorski December 16, 2012 at 2:59 pm

The catholic church has never declared who is in hell. But the farther she falls into mortal sin (1 John 5 16-17) with out confession to a priest (John 20 21-23) and falls always from the see of Peter, the pope (Matt 16:18). The greater chance
she will go to hell

Ps the word trinity isn’t in the bible either, you got that from The catholic council of Constantinople in 360. Mormons baptize in the name of the father son and holy spirt but they mean three gods


Rachel December 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Adam, “mortal sins” and “venial sins” are inventions of the Catholic Church for the sale of indulgences. In 1 John 5:16-17, “a sin that leads to death” is the rejection of Jesus Christ as savior and Lord. According the Bible, all sins are equally bad. Even the single tiniest sin is enough to damn a man without God’s saving grace. In John 20:21-23, Jesus told the disciples to forgive sins. He said nothing about confessing to priests, and in fact according to the Bible, all believers are priests. James 5:16 tells us to confess our sins unto one another. It never specifies a priest.

Adam, please think about this. Our Lord said “whoever believes in me shall not perish, but have eternal life.” He did not say “whoever believes in the Catholic church” or anything to that effect. The Bible also tells us that God wants all people to be saved. Why, then, would He place such strict limits on who can possibly be saved by requiring a Catholic church membership and sacraments? You see, the Cathoic church claims that its sacraments are required for salvation. And since the church determines who does or does not receive them, that would, in effect, put the church in control of deciding who is saved or not saved. That doesn’t make sense, does it?

You said “the farther she falls away from…the greater the chance she will go to hell.” That is a false statement. 1 John 5:11-13 tells us that we can know for certain that we have salvation if we have the Son of God. The Bible in no way says that falling away from certain church practices or teachings threatens our salvation, as long as we still have faith in God.

No one here can change your mind, Adam. Only God can do that. I pray that He will lead you to a more pure understanding of His Will.


Ben December 17, 2012 at 2:48 am

There is no “chance” someone will go to hell. God doesn’t leave it up to chance and I feel like a lot of Catholics have some idea that it is something related to chance, to how good they have been, to how well they followed the rules/ did good works. Do you think God leaves it up to these certain conditions? it is related to how perfect someone acts? God forgives us based off of how well we follow the rules of avoiding sin, confessing to a priest, following the pope, seeking after him, etc?
I think God sees two types of people, he sees wicked sinners who are currently condemned to hell and he sees people living by faith with no condemnation. He doesn’t see any inbetweeners who are on the verge of going to hell. There isn’t some inbetweener out there who Jesus’ blood almost can’t cover because he is just about fallen away from truth. We can sin and do sin daily and it doesn’t take away forgiveness from us. Jesus blood is meant to cover all sin. Im speaking about a believer though. I am not talking about a protestant christian because those are two totally different things. Anyone born into a Christian family if they go to church probably thinks that they are a protestant christian (I was one of them for so long). But a believer is someone who has believed not by the power of man but by the opening of our eyes which only comes from God. It is the lifting of the veil which was before the eyes of the blind pharisees. A believer is someone who believes because they can see finally. God, the Holy Spirit, opens their eyes. They have the Holy Spirit within them physically/spiritually guiding them and working in them. “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” philippians 1:6 . The point is that God does this work in us for his glory. We are saved at one point in our existence. Being saved is being saved of all sin past present and future and being saved for eternity because nothing can pluck those out of the Father’s hand who he has began a good work in. It just isn’t within our willpower and it isn’t within Satan’s power. God just sees us as his children and sees us as his holy people and he guides us by his spirit and as seen in Hebrews 11 or 12 I think it is he disciplines us as a loving father. I mean it is pretty clear God is the one keeping us and these actions of not falling into perpetual unconfessed/not repented of sin and following God’s truth have no bearings on our salvation because God is the one doing the work in us. We cannot take the glory from what his grace does in us. God works are a sign of faith, why? Because God is the one working in us and if someone is doing nothing at all good then it may be a sign God never started a good work in that person. It may also just mean that he start a work and the person is in a time of great sin like when David committed adultery or when Peter started to become backslidden by wanted to separate from the uncircumcised. I supposed we are basically all backslidden in certain areas and God is continually making us upright righteous children before his eyes.
My point is that forgiveness comes from the mercy of God, from the pursuit of the Spirit of God which leads our eyes to be opened which leads us to repentance and then he keeps as his people by his continual grace and through his work in us by the Holy Spirit. Our faith comes from believing in the unseen, from seeing the truth of the gospel. And God forgives that sinner because they have believed because he has opened their eyes.
I think God is pretty darn sure when he has take the veil away from the eyes of sinners. He took the veil away when Jesus was speaking to the disciples and they finally understood what he was saying to them. He knows precisely what he is doing and it is an in or out sort of situation. It isn’t chance. Yeah we cannot know if someone is saved or not. We cannot judge if they had the veil removed from their eyes because people often sin and they often don’t repent right away. But maybe that is the chance you were referring to, the chance that we don’t know when a believer is backslidden but will come back to the light or when they are truly just someone who never repented and believed in the first place.
My personal repentance is an absolute roller coaster ride. I feel like for tons of Americans we have this struggle. I have heard it said by men who have been scarred physically and probably beaten many times from serving the advancement of the gospel in countries like India and Peru that America is the hardest nation to be a Christian in, not because life is physically hard, but because spiritually we are often deprived of the discipline that is learned in suffering and of the closeness to Christ that is formed in suffering. We often don’t value him as much as the poorest Christians because we have so much more in our lives that aren’t Jesus and aren’t of God that we have to push aside and we don’t have people who will hurt us physically here or who want to kill us for professing the name of Jesus. My point is that it is definitely harder to be a Christian here and there are probably more times when believers are backslidden here than over there, I don’t know, maybe we are backslidden in different ways, I can’t make a firm opinion about that but it almost just seems like the common sense of people from what we see happens.
It can be very hard to decide if we are saved or not. I consider it a very hard thing. I only say that in the presence of other Christians because I know that many Christians are sure they will go to heaven, like 100% sure, when they probably won’t. If all professing Protestants were on the narrow path right now I am sure it would be a lot more obvious. And so I don’t want to trick someone into being sure they are saved when I see so many who I wish they were unsure if they were saved. Sometimes when I am sure I am saved it is a trap to me and Satan uses thinking like that (when it is not in a humblemindset) in order to make it more desirable for me to sin and to not do what I should be doing. I use it as a free go to heaven card often where I think that it doesn’t matter what I do now because I am going to be in heaven when I die. And that is Satan’s power working in me, or my own struggle against the flesh. I wan’t someone’s assurance of salvation to come from something else, not from something I say. it should be assurance directly from God. I don’t want to overly emphasize verses like 1 John 5:13-14 to someone who isn’t entirely sure that their eyes are opened to the power of the gospel. I want them to read that verse and believe it themselves, to believe God means that to them personally. I just want to want what God wants for his people! I hope my long response hasn’t been too long. I will not write another one like this on here.
I had a big response typed up for the thing about the word trinity and I don’t want this talk to deviate from salvation, anyways that was the point of the article, any conversing should be more about salvation.


Adam gorski December 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm

King James Version (KJV). 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It looks like the 1611 version says should not parish not a guarentte

James 2:19
New International Version (NIV)
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

This should over turn once saved always saved for you


Ben January 23, 2015 at 7:46 pm

Actually Adam,

“Should not perish IS a guarantee. It’s a statement of fact.

King James Version (KJV). 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

As for, the below, I never use anything but the KJV.

James 2:19 King James Version (KJV) “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”

Tell me what this has to do with “Once saved, always saved”?


Christian April 26, 2018 at 12:04 am

Hi Ben,

I agree with much of what you are saying. Assurance of salvation doesn’t come from saying certain words in a prayer to God. Assurance comes from the Holy Spirit indwelling us who have repented and put our faith in Christ.

Too often we in the churches are made to feel comfortable so much so that we don’t feel obligated to obey the great commission, and like your saying we get in a mindset where we begin justifying our sin because we’ve been “once saved always saved”. We begin to always resort to looking back to this doctrine and emphasizing in such a way as to excuse our sin and deceive ourselves. When we read verses like if you forgive not your brethren their treaspasses neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you, a big question mark comes up. We think wow I have to forgive, and someone we talk to reassures us nothing can separate us from God.

Somehow this belief in “once saved always saved” has become more true then Jesus’ own words in such a way a Christian could justify hate. However then some will say, “then the person doing those sins must’ve never truly been saved”. My question in response is “did they confess Jesus with their mouth, and believe in their heart that God has raised him from the dead? Did they say the sinners prayer?” Then the question becomes were they genuine when they said the sinners prayer, or did they not understand what they were saying?

Yet many believe if they’ve said the sinners prayer to God it is enough, that because of that they can even hate others and be unforgiving and living care free and still be saved. If this truly was the case what would be the point of attending church?

Somehow all of us keep confessing every time we sin, and yet what for if it doesn’t bear any consequence any longer?

And where can we apply working out our salvation with fear and trembling?

I feel so many of us have been lead to believe it is impossible to fall away from God. Salvation is Christ in us, and it may begin with a prayer, but just the same way a sinners prayer is an action of faith, faith must continue to the end. We must believe God and all that he says is true. It’s true we can not save ourselves, but it is also true we have to have faith. And faith without action is dead. We must obey the Lord and follow him to the end of the race.

He who endures to the end shall be saved. And if it’s once saved always saved what is the need to endure to the end? If it’s once saved always saved why are the churches in revelation told to repent? If it’s once saved always saved where is the race for the crown? If it’s once saved always saved why should one take Paul for an example putting his body in subjection not suffering it to sin?

I believe it’s once saved always saved after we endure to the end. Else how do we make sense of the parable of the sower. Seeds that fall upon rocky and thorny ground receive the Word but tribulation and the cares of the world change the matter entirely.

Just some things to think about.


Newsom September 29, 2019 at 2:40 pm

“I will never leave you, nor forsake you” – Jesus Christ

I challenge you to show me the “sinner’s prayer” in Scripture and where praying this prayer is a condition of salvation (work), and I will direct you to Ephesians 1, and Romans 9.


Sharon January 29, 2018 at 9:37 pm

The demons only have an intellectual belief in Jesus. The word believe in the Greek means to fully trust. Saving faith is more than an intellectual belief, but fully trusting in Christ’s shed blood on the cross to pay the penalty for your sins personally. That is the faith that saves!


Adam gorski December 16, 2012 at 5:25 pm

A great question would be who is your authority according to archeology (dideche, polycarp, Ignatous of Antioch, goa st Thomas Christians, Ethiopian orthodox,… All first 15 centuries of Christianity and Jewish tradition I’m right


Adam gorski December 16, 2012 at 9:04 pm

@ Rachel

That is daily mass Sunday through Friday every week to hear the entire bible spoken.
( everyday is the lords day with Sunday being the sabbath)

The Anglican, Lutheran and Methodist do a copy of the catholic litergy for Sundays only


Rachel December 16, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Adam, did you not read what I had written? Even counting daily mass, Sunday through Friday, only 13.5% of the OT and 71.5% of the NT are read. That nowhere near covers the entire Bible.

God bless you on your journey to Him.


Jack Wellman December 16, 2012 at 9:39 pm

I would hope that we could end this and just agree to disagree. Your comment “There are currently 38,000 denominations and only one church Jesus founded” is inflamatory my friend. I beg you both to let the discussion end and part for neither is going to convince the other…please for the sake of Christian charity (Rom 12). Thank you both.


judy ziebell December 23, 2012 at 2:27 pm

I just finished the book, A Woman Rides The Beast by Dave Hunt about the Roman Catholic Church and the Last Days. Very very interesting. Every Catholic should read it.


Adam gorski December 17, 2012 at 1:30 pm

The main problem most Protestants have is they constantly say

“I think”. Or “I believe”

Catholics and orthodox say Jesus taught the apostles for since he is God we not I must follow

It’s not up to individuals it’s up to God


Sonny December 27, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Iam a Catholic and I go to church every Sunday and also walk into the church to pray durning the week after work. I also attend Aposlic Christan Church at times. I read the bible almost everynight and I do pray throughout the day. I think if a person receives Christ in his life and he or she is total given into Christ, And having a relationship with Christ.. Then that person is saved with Christ.. And being baptize as well. Godbless all those who seek Christ….. Amen


Amber Keller February 14, 2013 at 11:35 am

What will happen when the pope that is resigning dies? My grandma said there is one grave spot left i don’t know what the graves are called she called the graves something but i can’t remember but she said after he dies then it is the end of times!! I really need an answer on this one!! She isn’t catholic but she is a christian!! Please help!! I’m scared of the end times because i’m so young and i want to live a full life!!


Jack Wellman February 14, 2013 at 11:40 am

Amber, they will simply choose another Pope in this man’s place. There is nothing in the Bible about there being only one grave left. I am only seeing what the Bible teaches. Do you have a church home? If so, talk to your pastor about this. To be sure you are a Christian and will be born again, read Romans 10:9-13 for it is about believing in Jesus Christ, that He came to live a sinless life to die for us so today, put your trust in Him and God the Father will see you as having Jesus’ righteousness (2 Cor 5:21). Trust Christ today and you will receive eternal life. You don’t have to be Catholic to be saved for it is Christ alone Who saved (Acts 4:12).


Adam gorski February 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm

That’s partial truth non Catholics can go to heaven but the farther you get from the church that Jesus founded it gets less likely and more challenging. But all believers are one so a non catholic that gets to heaven will probably realize thier errors of not following the true church


Ben Drake July 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm

Adam, this will be my only post to you as you argue rather you are right or wrong. Jesus did not start the Catholic Church and peter was never a pope. That’s just catholic brainwashing. None of it is in the Bible. When Jesus said, “Upon this rock I build my church” you have to go to the original words. Do you think Jesus meant to say, “Upon this tiny Ockham I build my church”? Well that’s what he said. If there was a first church, it is certainly the Baptist church. They live and teach the worship of Jesus Chris ignoring all the idiocy of the Catholic Church. As for Mary. “There is one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ.” Did you notice GOD left Mary out. Go ahead, let your head explode, you will not get reply from this truth teller.


Steve March 3, 2013 at 11:09 pm

Really? The Catholic Church was formed by Jesus and the apostles. In fact, Peter was the first pope. Does there need to be any arguments further than that on who is right or wrong? Does it say in the Bible you can’t drink or dance? No it does not. In fact Jesus tells John the Baptist to calm down at a point. Also, Chick Publications is well known for their anti-Catholic rhetoric so they are obviously a credible source for this question. I could cite my claims but than you all would have to pick up and read the original Bible which hasn’t been changed by any Kings in order to actually see the wording changes.


Paul Magallanez April 2, 2013 at 7:23 pm

If You believe in Christ, you know of his forgiveness of sins, saved by grace, you know why he died. You will be fine, have faith y’all! Have God in your heart, know what its like to KNOW him. Y’all will be good. God bless.


Jack Wellman April 2, 2013 at 7:26 pm

Amen Mr. Magallanez. You are so right sir. Thank you so much. Good to hear from you.


Paul Magallanez April 3, 2013 at 2:03 pm

Thank you Mr. Wellman. I truly enjoyed reading this article. God bless!


Jack Wellman April 3, 2013 at 7:47 pm

And I thank God for you too Mr. Magallanez. May God richly bless you sir.


Ben Drake August 14, 2014 at 3:43 pm

That’s right Paul. Salvation is through Jesus, PLUS NOTHING. No church of any kind, no pipes, no pedophiles, no in-the-closet confessions, no bowing to idols or crossing yourself, no stations of prayer no catechism. Read the Bible, even the corrupted catholic bible. You will see that where two or more are gathered, “I am there”. So no need to hang around with pedophiles. Just find Christ and then be with Christians.


Augustine June 6, 2013 at 11:48 am

If you afirm that you are a true christian and you bow before an idols (the image of mary or any saints), pray to God through mary which is contrary to the word of God you are an antichrist. Sometime the truth may hurt but if it is accepted with humility the holy spirit will do his finish and perfert work in such life. Those who follow the pope and do those that are contrary to what is written in the bible are not true believer and may not make it to heaven if they die. Before the throne of God’s judgement, ignorant is not an escuse for sin


Michael June 6, 2013 at 2:43 pm

My Friend just because the catholics pray differently than you do does not mean they are the antichrist. I suggest you do more research before making an accusation like that. The definition of A Christian is a Jesus Follower. which Catholics are Jesus Followers. Did it occur to you that many Christian Religions broke off Catholicism? Probably not since you blindly made that accusation. I am happy to proclaim that I am a catholic I may not agree 100% with the beliefs but I do think of myself as a Christian. I would highly recommend you actually take time to do more research by maybe talking to a catholic priest. By the way maybe you should stop judging other peoples beliefs based off of your beliefs because other people might do the same thing with your choice of religion. I’m a sinner how about you?


Kelsey June 21, 2013 at 10:06 am

Hi Jack,

I am not sure i am completly understanding your article here. I would say that I can not be 100% sure that no one with in the Catholic Church is saved, maybe someone is a new believer and does not understand scripture to the extent yet that the ways of the Catholic Church are wrong. However, I would say that many false religions such ( let’s consider Mormonism for example) would make it sound on the outside like they believe in Jesus as their Savior. They admit their sin. They believe the Holy Spirit comes in them, etc. many things that sound like their faith matches the faith of a Christian. However, it’s not until we pull back some of those layers that we come to realize that what they believe is not the same a Christian at all, like that there is more than one God, that Jesus is not one with the Father, that satan and Jesus were brothers, and so much more. I would agree that it seems on the surface that Catholics have much more in common with the Christian when it comes to words used and beliefs on religion, however Jesus + anything does not equal the gospel. So I would say that even if I catholic professes all of what you mentioned, yet still clings to needing to go to confession, to say hail Mary’s and to worship her, to take the sacraments and wash the cup and so on then their hope is not in Christ alone. There hope is in Jesus + something else which distorts it being only faith in Christ. I am not putting Catholics on blast, I believe that many professing Christian so called church’s and dinominations do the same as well and I would say the same to them. There may be those who do not believe in these extra things that still go to these church’s for lack of being taught or yet to understand any better, but for those that truly hold to the Catholic ways and teachings I would say still need to realize that Faith in Chirst alone is the only means by which on can be saved.

I would love to hear your response. Thank you for addressing the topic and openly allowing conversation.



Jack Wellman June 21, 2013 at 1:07 pm

Thank you Kelsey for your comment. I think we are in agreement…there are Catholics who call themselves Catholics that are not saved and some that are….as there are some calling them selves Christians who are Protestants that are saved…and others not. Only God knows with certainty. I believe that God alone knows who is and who isn’t but your points about adding works to Christ’s work on the cross is important. Not one of us have perfect understanding and even in the church that I pastor at, I am sure I make mistakes too but I believe as long as we put our trust in Christ that He was sinless and dies for our sins so that we might have eternal life, we can be saved…even though we still do things contrary to being saved by faith alone in Christ alone. Reading the book of Galatians we see that Paul dealt with these Christians who were still trying to add their salvation by works and didn’t quite get it that it is by faith alone that we are saved…yet, God still saved many who are in error.

Thanks…appreciate your visit and great commentary that is quite accurate Kelsey.


Ben Drake July 27, 2014 at 10:44 pm

Jack, the issue is, with all the false teaching the cc does, it would be a true miracle if any of them are born again. 7 stations of prayer, call no man on earth father, then the ridiculous claim that the pope is infallible, pure nonsense and every catholic should know it when we have seen hundreds of years of the cc protecting child molesters. It’s as though the cc read and understood the NT then wrote up rules that contradicted everything in it. Surely you cannot expect anyone to believe any good comes from this corrupt orginization.


Jack Wellman July 28, 2014 at 9:06 am

Mr. Drake, yes, they have some doctrinal errors, no doubt, but no Christian has all truth and we are still learning. I am convinced that there will be many Catholics in the Kingdom of Heaven because they trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to save them and have repented of their sins and put their trust in Christ and we are saved by faith and even if we have some things we are wrong about, God still saves us who have no perfect understanding of all things. Surely you don’t mean sir that no Catholics can be saved, do you?


Ben January 23, 2015 at 6:08 pm

No Sir, I certainly do not mean “No Catholics are saved”. But I do believe a very small percentage of who could be saved will be saved. I used to rent a house from an 80’s year old Catholic couple. I handed them a tract that said, “How to be sure you will go to heaven”. Their reaction was, “Oh wouldn’t it be nice if we could only know that?” I got along with them real well so I asked, “Could I come down some day with my Bible and show you how you can? They looked shocked and said, “No, we get our teaching from The Father.” What a shame. These life long church going, sweet and lovable people died without knowing if they were going to heaven. That’s what I mean.

You have said more than once to just let it go, you’ll never agree. Yet Jesus said, “And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.” I think that means everyone, even Catholics. Last year I had the privilege of leading a life long Charismatic to Christ. He is now a Baptist and no longer believes he can lose his salvation.

timothy vukomanovic August 23, 2013 at 8:08 am

I notice in this thread those who talk about Catholics seem to refer to the Roman Catholic Church. There are several Catholic Churches, the Eastern Catholic Churches do not believe the Pope is any more than a Bishop and do not believe he is infallible. The Orthodox Churches such as Russian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox are all Catholic. The main difference between Orthodox and Roman Catholics is the assignment of a Pope and the manuscripts which they use for the Bible. The version of the manuscripts used gives rise to the difference in the role of Marry as certain manuscripts I believe have a feminine word used to describe the savior.

Christians who criticism the sacraments that Catholics undertake should understand that Jesus undertook a sacrament in baptism. Sacraments are as I see them reminders or symbolic rituals that help church members in observing and remembering the spiritual. It is interesting that if you look deep into RC doctrine that they do acknowledge that baptism can be performed by a person who is not a priest or bishop should one who is ordained not be available.

I find it surprising that non catholic Christians would ever proud and arrogant to claim that they know on mass that all Catholics are condemned. To stand in judgement when we have imperfect knowledge is indeed unwise given Christs admonition not to judge incorrectly for with that judgement you judge ye shall be judged.

I do not see the sacraments of the Catholic Churches removing belief in Christ, but enhancing and ingraining it in peoples lives. All the sacraments are symbolic even the confessional.


Jack Wellman August 23, 2013 at 9:32 am

Thank you Mr. Vukomanovic. I agree, we should not be criticizing Catholics or condemning them. These are fellow heirs according to the faith and the saints of God as much as Protestant churches are. We are all part of the Body of Christ, the church. If you read the article, you can tell, I hope, that I am not going to judge Catholics and don’t believe we should condemn them at all. We may not agree on everything but we agree on the main things. Thank you sir for your comment.


Roberto Mackey February 16, 2014 at 4:57 am

Dearest Pastor Wellman and all who may stumble or frequent this blog,

God bless! I pray Pastor Wellman that you are well, man! : )

May God bless you, your loved ones, your congregation, all followers of Christ, and those yet to know His love!! I hope that this blog hasn’t been buried in the archives of the internet. This article (and the comment section particularly) could prove to be such a bright light for Christ amidst an ocean of filth that we find online. It is truly apparent that you (and most of the commentors) are full of His love and a genuine desire to co-exist with all denominations of Christianity.

I introduce myself to you as Roberto…however this is not my real name…only an internet persona I’ve developed for the sake of privacy. I am a very devout Catholic and am quite well-versed in the faith (though not as well as I’d like). I am a 3rd degree Knight in the Knights of Columbus, and teach 7th grade catechetics in CCD. God has blessed me so abundantly here in this life, far Howefewan my sinful self deserves. He has given me the great grace of knowing Him and seeking His will in my life. A year and a half ago, he brought into my life a beautiful, God-fearing, imperfect (but perfect for me!) woman. We have recently become engaged and place Christ first, second and third in our lives. She works for a nearby Catholic Diocese and has much education in our faith. (Sorry if this seems like meaningless dabble, I assure you it is relevant). Our relationship (more specifically our mutual praise and worship of Our Lord) has driven me deeper and deeper in the Catholic faith. By His grace, we will marry in August of this year, and embark on a married life given to Him. Sooooo… my point.

I was greatly encouraged upon stumbling upon this blog/these comments, that tolerance and acceptance amongst all Christians may be an obtainable goal, if only on a smaller scale. As it is not my prerogative to take offense (and certainly not to give any), I will refrain from delving into many stances with which I am in disagreement. However, I will make exception for a few of the more significant ones in my mind.

First and foremost, I will start by saying that the tremendous amount of anti-Catholic rhetoric present in our society (American and global) does get quite tiring. It seems to me that there are many misconceptions, even blatant flat-out lies being spread about the Catholic faith. One i’ve stumbled across frequently as of late, is the Christianity of Catholicism. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard or seen the question ‘Are Catholics Christian?’. My answer to this, as friendly as I can express it, is that YES the entire Mass is centered on Christ. Specifically, the Catholic Mass focuses ENTIRELY on His sacrifice, resurrection, ascension, the Gospel, His Passion, as well as His call for our faith, love, worship, adoration, and commuion with Him through His bride, the church (in this capacity ‘church’ refers to the collection of Christian believers and not a physical place of worship). If anything, from my own personal experiences (everyone’s may differ), the Catholic church actually focuses on Christ more so than any other denomination of Christianity. Being a recent revert to the Catholic Church, I have had a good deal of exposure to other denominations (specifically while I finished my tour of active duty in the Marines, doing much soul and faith searching). In my estimation, Protestant faiths place a larger emphasis on the filial aspect of the Trinity, while Catholicism focuses more on Christ and His relationship with His church. (Although if you follow along with the Mass, all three persons of the Trinity receive notable emphasis). So, YES….CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIAN.

Secondly, and this my own reasonable assumption (with a prayerful and discerning spirit), that it is NOT faith alone that assures our salvation. My apologies if I offend or upset anyone as I make this opinion (also that of the Catholic Church). I beg you to not immediately tune out my reasoning, and proceed with an open-mind and discerning spirit.

JAMES 2:18-20, NKJV-
“18But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless.”

I don’t believe, nor does the Catholic church teach that one can ‘work’ their way to Heaven. It is by the grace of God alone that we are called to faith. However, equally important is what we DO with that faith. Have we truly accepted Christ if it doesn’t make a permanent change in us? Have we really accepted Christ if we don’t show it through our compassion and Love for ‘the least of these’. Remember that we are called to love, by He whom IS love, to ‘love others, as I have loved you’. I can think of countless ‘Christians’ of Protestant denominations who are relying solely on their faith that He is whom He says He is, and that He died for our sins. These very same ‘Christians’, in many cases that I’ve seen, are living and dwelling in perpetual sin…quite happily, in fact…with no intent to ‘Go and sin no more’. Not I nor any other mortal man (save Mary, His mother…but that’s for a different discussion) have lived sinless lives. HOWEVER, we are certainly called to turn from our sins and take on love. The Catholic church teaches that there are sins of COMMISSION, as well as sins of OMISSION. Sins of commissions are those we actively partake in, whereas sins of omission are sins against our Lord by blatantly choosing to not take advantage of opportunities to do good that He places before us. I have trouble believing that God totally disregards good that one may do here on this earth. That is not the just and righteous God we’ve read about in scripture. NOTE:**It is IMPERATIVE that one professes his/her faith in Christ (through baptism of one form or another) for one to find salvation. But believing that God won’t punish wicked behavior and look solely upon a person’s faith, in my mind is quite foolish. I imagine many souls have found eternal damnation, having placed all their hope in their ‘faith’, and refusing to live out their Christianity. Again, I know MANY self-proclaimed, baptized ‘Christians’, who are adulterers, drug dealers, alcoholics, and any and all sorts of things. (Not to judge them…for there is only one judge…merely observant).

So…it is my opinion, that faith and works (a life striving for, but never attaining, a sinless life while relying on His grace to continually change us for the better. This includes a tremendous love for our fellow man, as one of the two greatest commandments, and the compassionate works of mercy that go along with it), are BOTH necessary for us to win our salvation, and what we do with God’s great gift of faith. He gave us free-will to determine who truly loves Him. There is no component of free-will in salvation to all granted the GIFT of faith. Many will abuse this gift of grace, and thus suffer his condemnation. FAITH in Christ + a charitable, loving compassion for fellow man (i.e.-WORKS) and love of God above all else (while striving to be sinless through His grace because of this love)=Eternal salvation through Christ. FAITH + WORKS = SALVATION!!

My apologies for the length of this comment…I could go on, but I’m afraid I’ve already been too long winded.

May God bless you all so abundantly, and may we all continually seek and find truth!!

Pastor Wellman…I present to you (and all those interested) a challenge. My challenge to you is to, coinciding with prayerful discernment and an open heart, take 30 days and read through the Catholic Catechism coupled with attending Catholic Mass for a month focusing on everything that happens during the Mass and how EVERYTHING directly coincides with scripture. Follow along in the Missallette as it walks you through the Mass. This time will help you to better relate to Catholicism, see the beauty of the Mass, and more completely see Catholics and Protestants as brothers and sisters in Christ. As you certainly are filled with Christ, in the spirit of understanding and accepting your Christian bretheren as you preach, I pray you’ll accept this challenge!!

God bless!! Christ’s love is abounding for you all!!

Roberto Mackey


ben May 12, 2014 at 3:20 am

I have to say that it is not out of pride or happiness I would say a Catholic can be seen as different from a Christian. It is of course because of what is taught in each church. I don’t deny that many protestant denominations teach awful things and I wouldn’t consider them Christian either. But many of the things taught in the Catholic Church are not only not found in the bible but they are quite heretical. Such as much of what is taught about Mary. It is not believed solely because of what is said in the bible. What is believed about Mary is a Catholic tradition that was clearly not believed at the time the gospels were written, there is nothing about her being sinless within any of the NT except for what Catholics would claim is written about her when she is called “highly favored.”

She is elevated to a position she should not be and she is dishonored in doing so and so is Jesus. What I say of course is an opinion backed by certain evidence, but I find the evidence that backs the Catholic view of Mary to be quite lacking and to not be of trustworthy sources. And their interpretation of the bible on these matters seems more to be an attempt to support a view they already had rather than trying to figure out what the bible has to say for itself. I don’t think a person can read the bible alone, even if they were somewhat versed in greek, and come to the conclusions the Catholic Church does about Mary because they are not found in the bible. I respect much of what my ex girlfriend (who is Catholic) believes, but I believe she is deeply in error in parts such as these because she accepts the Catholic tradition in belief to be correct. She of course has evidence she believes to support her views but it follows along with Catholic tradition which can be riddled with errors due to the sinfulness of man. I choose to place my faith on the infallible word of God alone because it can be trusted and is sufficient to teach me what I need to learn, and it says otherwise that would the Catholic Church.


Roberto Mackey May 12, 2014 at 8:00 am


Thanks for the response! Perhaps this is an issue that we will never quite see eye to eye.

My response to you:
1. The Bible, (NT, anyways) was written, transcribed, translated, and protected by the Catholic Church. It IS the Word of God. It is THROUGH the Catholic Church that God gave us the Bible. The Bible is entirely truthfulness HOWEVER, it never claims to be the ENTIRE truth. John, actually goes out of his way to state the opposite in Revelation, saying that much more could have been written solely on Christ. What value was there in the New Testament immediately after Christ’s death?? NONE!! It didn’t exist for decades after his resurrection and ascension! The Truth was conveyed through oral tradition! So the Bible simply cannot be the sole means God chooses to give us His truth! The Bible could not have been written if the Catholic Church was not/is not divinely inspired and protected as well! To consider the Bible the end of God’s inspiration and revelation, one would discredit those who wrote it…thus discredit the Bible itself! Impossible! It can’t be done!! I always get a chuckle when Protestants try to discount the Catholic Church, by citing a book that exists that God gave us THROUGH that same Catholic Church!!

2. The original term used in the Greek text of Luke, of Gabriel’s annunciation to Mary is most precisely translated as “Hail, Full of Grace”…not “highly favored one” as commonly found in Protestant Bibles.

3. This leads me to a BIG issue that I have with Protestant bibles….mainly stemming back to Luther. Luther insisted on the 7 “extra” books in the Catholic Bible be removed. He claims they were not divinely inspired. He also tried having the letter of James and Revelation removed! (Conveniently enough, they were directly opposing many of his heretical teachings!!). There are additional books in the Catholic Bible not because we added them, but because the reformers removed them!

3. Again…by reading the Catechism, one can learn the TRUE teachings of the Church. Catholics do not worship Mary. We recognize that she has a level of Honor in Heaven higher than that of any other person outside of the Trinity. We honor her because Jesus honored her (wedding at cana, at the foot of the cross, but most importantly, because He chose her from all of creation…filling her with His grace and setting her apart from the beginning of creation. She too was in need of His salvation. By the grace of God, he preserved her from all sin…and so saved her from falling in the first place…but saved her nonetheless. By dishonoring Our Lady, one dishonors Christ, who honored her and continues to honor her in heaven. All throughout scripture we can point to evidence that there are varying degrees of glory in heaven….she holds the highest of any created being. None of this is blasphemous, or idolatrous. Quite the opposite, actually. By revering and honoring her, we sing praises to God’s great mercy, love and faithfulness. He has allowed humanity to play such an important role in his own plan of our redemption. By His grace and mercy alone. Man could not write such a love story.

4. We look to Mary for Her intercession with Christ on our behalf. We see the great favor God has afforded her, and look to her as the prime disciple. Her persistence, compelled Christ to mercifully bless the newlyweds. Why would her influence with Him now in heaven be any less? Mary’s role does nothing but bring glory to God, by glorifying His great mercy! Christ, just as He said is the Way. He alone atones for our sins. HE is our intercession with the Father. Nowhere are we told there cannot be intercessors between us and Christ. Mary, above all angels, saints, and martyrs…is our most powerful intercessor…by God’s design. If you would ask family, friends, and your congregation for their prayers on your behalf, why on earth would you not ask Mary or any of the saints in heaven…who MUST have God’s favor by virtue of their redemption??

Now I know your response…its pretty much on cue. ‘Where is that in the Bible’? Which is where Protestants don’t have a leg to stand on, so to speak. The argument of Sola Scriptura is self-defeating. Without God’s inspiration, favor, and protection of the Catholic Church, the Bible never comes into existence in the first place. Without God’s Spirit moving through and guiding the Church, Christianity never would have survived Nero and the Roman persecution. Christ never said that evil wouldn’t triumph over the Christian Bible… … …he DID say that about His church. So there MUST be authority given to the church (we are reaffirmed as he gave Peter the keys to the kingdom and authority over His flock). With this authority comes the power to interpret scripture, led by His spirit. The line of apostolic succession was broken when Protestants ‘reformed’ Christ’s church to their own liking, separating themselves from this line of succession. That’s not to say Protestants are not capable of salvation. The prerequisites of salvation are BOTH faith, and love(ie-works (gasp!)). These are both freely given graces of God…not attainable by oneself, due to our sinful natures….only by the grace of God. God does give us free will however, so there is an element of human choice in the matter…yet our hearts are primed to receive Him through His grace.

i digress. Point being: such an authoritative book required an authoritative source to give it it’s authority. The Bible is not the sole source of truth. It is on equal footing with the church that was charged with its creation, interpretation, and survival. In a nutshell, the Catholic Church, the successors of St. Peter and the Apostles, have authority FROM Christ to lead His church. If one disputes Marian teachings, they must also dispute the concept of the Trinity….also not found in Bible….also Catholic revelation.

Please read the Catechism. You will realize you don’t disagree with Catholics as much as you think…and that you’ve been misled about Catholicism.

God bless!


Ben January 23, 2015 at 6:44 pm

1. The Bible, all 66 books of it was written, transcribed, translated and protected by God. The CC had absolutely nothing to do with it. I always have to chuckle when the CC cult tries to take credit for God’s work. So you’re saying the Bible was only oral tradition until the CC cult formed about 280 years after Christ? God ALONE did ALL the things you give the CC credit for so for that reason, ALONE, it IS the Word of God. Actually, it does state it is the entire Word of God. It clearly states New Revelation is closed. Additionally, what John meant was, e could write much more about Christ. Not that he DID write more about Christ. Your brainwashing is showing.And to say the CC cult preserved the bible for us is completely comical. If it were not for brave men, some of which were burned on the stake for the truth, there still would not be a Bible in common language.

2. The original term used in the Greek text of Luke, of Gabriel’s annunciation to Mary is most precisely translated as “Hail, Full of Grace”…not “highly favored one” as commonly found in Protestant Bibles.

2. Just because you can copy a link does not make you an expert.

3. I have seen catholics all my life bow, kneel, and pray tyo her. Do I really have to read the 10 commandments to you? catholics DO worship mary. Just let her statue cry somewhere and half the world spends the food money to go pray to her. That, Sir, is worship.Also, mary was not sinless, “There are none righteous, no, not one”. and she was not a perpetual virgin. The names of her sons are in the Bible and it states she also had daughters. I can’t believe you are so brainwashed that you could believe this about mary.

4. Show me a verse that says mary is an intercessor in anything. Not your man made stuff. Only God’s Word.
Why would I ever read the Catholicism? I might trhgen be as lost as you are.

Have you been drinking? Are you on drugs. God never said evil wouldn’t triumph over the bible? Of course He did. I didn’t realize I was talking to a certified nut.
I’m done with you. I will end by wishing you will get out of that cult in time to find salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ.


Bob August 14, 2014 at 10:34 am

Bravo, Roberto! You did a great job! I was hoping someone was going to come along who was able to explain some of those things!

Most Catholics would not be able to explain them as eloquently as you, that is part of the problem and the confusion.

You are correct about reading the Catechism – heck, most Catholics need to do that! Similar to what attributes to the Protestants’ misunderstandings, most Catholics know WHAT they believe (or THINK they do), but not WHY – the theology behind it. That is what leads to the confusion. The theology behind what the Catholic Church teaches is beautiful. I believe it’s all a part of the Devil’s plan to cause confusion and division among Christians – he thinks he can “divide and conquer” which, of course, he cannot do – but it is part of his tactic – and he’s been at it for centuries now.

At one time, the Church was one in all of its beliefs, but the Devil has been trying to confuse Christians and divide them. The ONE original Church, however, still teaches what it has always taught – it has not changed. The gates of hell will not conquer Christ’s Church.

To be sure, sometimes it IS the fault of the individual Catholic who themselves do not properly understand the Catholic Church’s teachings, like on Mary, for instance….so they may go “a little too far” in their devotion to her. That’s not to say that they “worship” her as they worship Jesus (I think you’d be hard pressed to actually find any Catholic who will tell you they “worship” Mary), but they may go a little “far” in their devotions.

That being said – just because an INDIVIDUAL Catholic may get their understandings a little “off” does not change what the Catholic Church officially teaches – which is WHY you must rely on the official Catechism of the Catholic Church. Just because some individual Catholics may have it a little wrong, does not mean that what they are doing is what the Church teaches! THIS is where a lot of the confusion comes in!

Here is a good resource about whether Catholics “worship” Mary:

While the theology behind what we believe about Mary is theologically beautiful, you really don’t have to get too theological about it if you are willing to see simple explanations.

Catholics do not “worship” Mary, we “honor” her. Not too different from how Americans “honor” George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Would anyone accuse any American of “worshipping” Abraham Lincoln’s statue at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C.??? – YIKES!!! A STATUE!!!! Calm down, people, it is JUST a statue to honor him – just like the thousands of statues of Mary and other saints that Christians have to remind us of the great Christian saints of the past – remember, they did NOT have photography back then – paintings and statues are what they used to remember people by.

By the way, I loved my Grandmother – she died several years ago. Often times when I see her picture now I will look at it as it is a comfort and a reminder of how special she was to me (and still IS) – SOMETIMES, I will pick the picture up and kiss it! (YIKES!!!) Now is there anyone out there that would think that by doing this I am “worshipping” my Grandmother???? Calm down, people, calm down.

So, back to Jesus. Jesus is God, and God cannot sin. As imperfect as we are, we are called to try to imitate Jesus. Jesus, who cannot sin, HONORS his Father and Mother……….okay, I’ll wait here while you guys go and check out that little list called the 10 Commandments – you know, the list that if you do not follow it, it is a sin…..remember the one about HONORING your Father and Mother?……guess what? Jesus is God, but He is also human and has a Mother – and you can be darn sure as perfect as He is He HONORS HIS Mother much more perfectly than we honor our parents! As our Lord, we are called to imitate Him and do as He does why WOULDN’T we honor His Mother?

It is because of her cooperation that Jesus was able to come into the world! Could God have planned His design of redemption another way by not relying on the cooperation of a creature such as Mary? Yes! He is God and He could have certainly come up with a way where He did not have to rely on Mary’s “YES”. Don’t forget, it was her choice, she was ASKED and she said “Yes”. She could have said “No” – and if she had, I am sure God would have come up with another glorious way to redeem us….but the fact of the matter is that is not what happened.

God chose to make His plan of redemption dependent on Mary’s cooperation. She DID agree to it – and because she agreed to it, God’s plan was fulfilled. She did NOT redeem us, but there is no doubt that she cooperated in that redemption by her willingness to do what God was asking her to do. So, she certainly should be honored for that willingness to participate in God’s most greatest work! It is because of her “YES” that God was able to fulfill His plan for our redemption.


Laurel January 20, 2015 at 6:56 pm

Articles such as this ought to be written by Catholics. They know the truth about their church, just as a Baptist knows the truth about their church. You wouldn’t expect me, a Roman Catholic, to write an article stating what a Baptist’s beliefs are, would you?


Jack Wellman January 21, 2015 at 6:36 pm

Thank you Laurel. In the Catholic perspective, Mary has a precise place in the plan of salvation and a special place within tradition and devotion that the Bible never teaches. Co-Redemptrix refers to the participation of Mary in the salvation process. This is not in the Bible either. yes, I would write an article about Baptist belief being Roman Catholic. why not? I nowhere have written that Catholics cannot go to heaven though. Please show me where this article is wrong Laurel. Thank you.


Roberto Mackey January 22, 2015 at 10:16 am


So you are still there! I’ve been waiting for your response to my challenge…30 days, read the Catholic Catechism, attend Catholic Mass at least once every sunday throughout that week and be sure to follow along through the missalette and pay particular attention to how EVERYTHING in the Mass is directly out of the Bible. If you have no interest in trying this, then I question your sincerity in attempts to understand true Catholic teaching…and you will appear as a person content with believing the lies you’ve been fed all your life. Christ may hold you accountable for that, if all that you say to be true is false, and all I know to be true is in fact, true.

One final issue before I go…I noticed you perpetuated a few of those misconceptions throughout this article. At first, I was going to make an exception and not ruffle feathers…but I believe that for there to be true unity among ALL Christians, those misconceptions need to be cleared up. This one in particular.

1) “And they believe that Mary is the co-redeemer and that they need to make intercessory prayer to her to reach God.”——I don’t know what book this is quoting…but you either misquoted the text, only took a portion of the quotation, the author does not understand his own Catholic faith, or he isn’t Catholic in the first place. NO. Not correct at all. This is not church teaching. Yes, Mary IS given a part in man’s redemption. God has chosen her from all of mankind to play the single greatest role any purely human being has ever had throughout history. Why should her role in heaven be any less. One of the 10 commandments is “honor your mother and father”…so why would Christ NOT honor his mother in heaven? The Catholic Church, who has this authority from Christ himself, through apostolic succession, has revealed this as truth. What is the significance of Christ giving John over to Mary and Mary to John at the foot of the Cross? Is it merely because he wanted John to take care of her and for her to be like a step-mom to John? That seems pretty trivial to me. As humble as John is all throughout his gospel…why would this be included if it were just in regards to him? That would seem pretty irrelevant and rather boisterous…certainly holding no place in the Gospel. So why is that in there?? It’s because John represents all of humanity. Mary was made the spiritual mother of all the apostles and disciples while she still lived. She is now the spiritual mother for all of mankind. She is charged with LEADING mankind to Christ. SHE is not the destination…CHRIST IS!! This is all spelled out in the Catechism. Re-read my two other posts, as I go into this more in depth. It is not NECESSARY for Catholics to go through Mary to get to Christ. Not at all. Doing so honors Christ…as He honors her as well. Using Mary as an intercessor with Christ is NOT the only way to develop a relationship with Christ…but it is the fastest and the surest! I myself developed my relationship with Our Lord first…having skepticism that was planted in me by Protestant influences…but now Christ has given me a level of peace and understanding that my dependence on Mary in prayer…to intercede with Christ on my behalf…brings HIM delight and is much more effective than my own prayer. An individual does not need to be dependent upon Mary to be ‘saved’ through Christ. A person needs only Christ. The path through Mary is surer, quicker, and holier. Don’t get me wrong, I still do plenty of praying directly between the Lord and myself…the majority of it. Praying to Mary and the Saints to intercede for us with Christ is nothing but beneficial. And it would be prudent of any wise Christian to consider this.

Please respond, as I feel we can have some very healthy discussion and clear the air of some of these common misconceptions.

Thank you and God Bless!

Roberto Mackey


Jack Wellman January 22, 2015 at 10:27 am

Thank you so much sir. You wrote “Mary as an intercessor with Christ is NOT the only way to develop a relationship with Christ…but it is the fastest and the surest!” Huh? Please give me a chapter and verse to support this. With Mary it is quicker? Faster” and the “surest!” Then you wrote “but now Christ has given me a level of peace and understanding that my dependence on Mary in prayer…to intercede with Christ on my behalf.” Christ has given this to you? Through Scripture? That your “dependence on Mary as in prayer to intercede with Christ on your behalf?” Please, again, what biblical source do you get such authority to depend on Mary to intercede with Christ when Christ alone is our Intercessor!

Jesus Christ is able to be our go-between who can speak to God on our behalf. We can then “draw near to God through him” (Hebrews 7:25). The prophecy about Christ stated that “He himself bore the sin of many and interceded for the transgressors” (Isa 53:12). It stands to reason that someone who is in much the same position as ourselves, someone who needs an intercessor as much as we do, is not qualified in his own right to intercede for us. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit are qualified to be our intercessors. (Romans 8:26,34). We are greatly blessed in having a great High Priest one who ever lives to make intercession for us. John describes him as our “Advocate with the Father” (1John 2:1-2). Jesus understands our weaknesses without himself being weak. There is no one closer to God than he. Through him we can come to God and find utmost grace.

Hence the encouragement, “Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need” (Hebrews 4:16). And again, “Let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith…” (Hebrews 10:22).

This Intercessor is Christ alone. I have given scriptural support so please give me scripture support which you say “Mary was made the spiritual mother of all the apostles and disciples while she still lived. She is now the spiritual mother for all of mankind. She is charged with LEADING mankind to Christ” and “Using Mary as an intercessor with Christ is NOT the only way to develop a relationship with Christ…but it is the fastest and the surest!”


Roberto Mackey January 22, 2015 at 12:19 pm


Simple Answer. The Bible is not the SOLE authoritative source. It is impossible for it to be. As I pointed out in one of my other posts…the concept of Sola Scriptura is self defeating. Christ, upon his ascension gave authority to Peter. He said that evil will never prevail over his Church. And so, the Apostles HAD that authority. And they chose to pass that authority on. Again, remember Christ’s Ascension when he says “anything you bind on earth, will be bound in heaven. anything you loose on earth, will be loosed in heaven.” This quote from Christ himself tells me that he has given authority to the Church. The very same church that preserved the New Testament by way of oral tradition for the first 100 years after Christ’s death. The very same Church that WROTE the New Testament, and compiled the Bible. The very same church that has protected the Word of God for 2000 years. If the Catholic Church did not have God’s blessing and granted His authority, Christianity would not have made it past Nero’s persecution. Christianity would not have spread to all the ends of the earth as it has. Christianity has persevered through the Crusades, Hitler, Stalin, Communism…all due to the power and authority of the Catholic Church.

As the Bible IS the Word of God….it is assuredly authoritative. However, the Church entrusted with its very existence must hold equal authority.

The only scripture I need to point to for this proof that you ask for, are words from Christ himself, upon his ascension. “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.” “Anything you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, all that you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” “The powers of evil will never overcome my Church.”

Three quotes…from God himself…that discount and nullify Sola Scriptura.

You should read Humana Vitae…one of St. John Paul II’s encyclicals on the value of human life. Tell me that is not the word of God spoken through His Pope…There are many revelations that were made by the Catholic Church that are not found in the Bible. The concept of the Holy Trinity. Three divine persons, in ONE God. If you believe in the Holy Trinity, you are defeating your own argument…because that is not found in the Bible…only in the Catholic Church. Where would the Pro Life movement be without the Catholic Church? I doubt there would BE a pro life movement!! God is working and breathing all throughout the Catholic Church.

Now back to the topic at hand…Mary’s role in all of this. Christ is our intercession with the Father…however, Christ never said there could be no intercessors with him. In fact, the Gospel tells us otherwise. Wedding at Cana! Mary interceded for the wedded couple, unbeknownst to them, and persisted so Jesus would help them and spare them embarrassment. He wasn’t going to at first, but did anyway. Read the Catechism and you will have all the answers regarding Mary that you are asking for…it’s all in there. The same Church that revealed the concept of the Trinity…and the same Church responsible for YOUR Bible…has authority to reveal other truth that it comes to know by the power of the Holy Spirit that is moving and breathing within it…Marian revelation not withstanding.


Ben January 23, 2015 at 12:43 am

Hello, I don’t want to step in on your conversation, I will just leave a comment though.

What you have stated is the Catholic interpretation of scripture. I would not argue that the Catholic Church has not been around for a long time. It has been of course, but only Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is the original church. There is much evidence out there pointing in either direction and some people choose to believe what they will. Many Christians hold to scripture alone because we know it can be trusted and we know it is sufficient to accept Christ and to follow him. And through our understanding of scripture and trusting in it alone we part from your church because from our view, many of the beliefs of the RCC are not things that are grounded in scripture. The position of Mary appears very differently to one who reads the bible without having any knowledge of anything Catholic.

We believe the RCC is fallible and we do not believe that it is something we should hold as the church Jesus said will not be overcome by the gates of Hades. There is much to interpret in these verses and I do understand why Catholics believe it is about the RCC. But most non Catholics don’t believe Peter was ever the Pope either. I don’t want to rant so I’ll leave it at this.


Ben January 23, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Everyone wants to believe Peter was the first poop and the CC cult is the first church. They completely forget that the CC cult was not allowed to for until 280 AD and then by Constantine who was a worshiper of ISIS who was called “Queen of Heaven” and other names that have been switched over to Mary. The statues of ISIS were switched over to Mary when the CC cult first started in 280 AD. So let’s agree, no Mary, no poop peter.

ellis brasher May 22, 2015 at 5:41 pm

Like many youngsters I walked the aisle of the church and was baptized as an early teenager. I was part of a church going family and felt that it was my duty to be a member of the small Baptist church we were attending.
I think I did have some vague understanding of the Bible, about Jesus Christ, His teachings, crucifixion and resurrection.
I had no knowledge or understanding that true salvation does indeed involve more than just simply doing something dutiful that I had heard and read about.
Not knowing any better I was satisfied with my perceived salvation and then at about 18-19 years old I began drinking and then in 1962 I wound up in AA at the age of 29 and even then I still thought that years before I had completed my required functions as a Christian and was a saved person. At this time in my life I had only a small knowledge of the Holy Spirit and had never experienced the feeling of His work. I had no idea that a person is only saved due to the urging of the Holy Spirit.
I may have at one time or another read the below Bible verses, but apparently they did not sink in my young brain.
MATTHEW 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”
JOHN 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
JOHN 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
The last of the above verses unequivocally states that a person is only saved at the urging of the Holy Spirit and which is the Holy Spirit of the Father.
I now realize at that point in my life I was not saved and would not be until many years later.
In 1968 a workmate friend may have sensed that I was not saved and started witnessing to me about salvation, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and many other aspects of true belief. A feeling came over me that I had never before experienced in my life. It was as if you want to rejoice and/or cry at the same time. My friend sensed what was happening and remarked “Ellis, I believe the Holy Spirit is speaking to you right now”. I was confused and simply replied that I did not know what he was talking about. Well, I never forgot that experience and I began to realize that sooner or later I was going to have to do something about it.
I carried that experience in the back of my mind some 25 years and then one day I asked my wife if she would like for us to start going to church, she replied, “Yes, I thought you would never ask”. We both started going to Eastside Baptist in Rusk, TX where we were warmly welcomed and in a short while we both moved our memberships there.
But I still felt that I needed to do something, but was filled with confusion and anxiety wondering what to do even though on several other occasions I felt the presence and urging of the Holy Spirit.
Then sometime later, lo and behold, a man walked the aisle with a story similar to mine apparently confessing his pent up belief and faith in Jesus Christ and wanting to be baptized which he was a few days later. I then realized what I had seen was what I needed to do; so at the next service where I felt that urge I walked down the aisle, told the basics of this story and was baptized a few days later. Now, this does not mean that I or other saved Christians would never sin again; we sin and fall short of the glory of God perhaps every day, but the work of Jesus Christ on the cross was and is sufficient for all past, present and future sins of a saved believer. 1 JOHN 1:8 “If we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”
At one time I struggled about the idea that many propose that the Bible can’t be proven as “cold hard fact”. A lady friend, church member cleared that up for me with this remark, “The Bible and salvation are about FAITH; if they were about cold hard fact, there would be no room or reason for faith.”
In the past 10-12 years I have spent considerable time reading and studying the Bible and have reached the following conclusions: When a child is born he/she is recorded in God’s Book of Life as per Exodus 32:31&32. 31 So Moses went back to the LORD and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold.” 32 “Yet now, please forgive their sin-but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.” Even so, the child has a one-way ticket to hell EXCEPT for two circumstances as below:
1. The child/person dies before achieving the knowledge of accountability.
2. At some age and ONLY at the urging/prompting of the Holy Spirit the person accepts and confesses Jesus Christ as personal Savior at which time his/her name is recorded in the Lamb’s Book of Life and can never be blotted out.
REV. 3:5 “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
REV. Chapter 13 speaks of the “beast” which is symbolic of the “antichrist” and significant is verse 8.
REV. 13:8 “All who dwell upon the earth will worship him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” This verse indicates that people’s names are entered in the Lamb’s Book during their life and when would be a more logical time than at the time they accept Jesus Christ. The previous 3 verses should remove any doubts of “Eternal Security” aka “Once Saved Always Saved”.
REV. 21:27 “But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.”
Note; if the person dies after achieving accountability and before accepting/confessing Jesus Christ; the name is blotted from God’s Book of Life. REV. 20:15 “And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” And by the way, the person can’t just roll out of bed at 9:00 AM Sunday morning and say, “I think I’ll just run by the Church a few minutes and get saved”, it just doesn’t really work that way. God’s plan of salvation for mankind was preordained perhaps “forever ago”, the plan calling for a ‘”Perfect Sacrifice” for the redemption of sin with the sacrifice being his only begotten Son, namely Jesus Christ born sin free of the Virgin Mary. As you know we are being bombarded by the media and others about the shortcomings of “Evangelical” Christians. If a person is a Christian he at least occasionally reads the Bible and more than likely is aware of what is generally known as “The Great Commission” as it relates to this verse and other similar verses. Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” The idea of “The Great Commission” is the root cause of all Christian evangelism and all Christians are, or at least should be, aware of the obligation these verses apply as well as the actual urging of the Holy Spirit to comply. Using the word “evangelical” to describe the word “Christian” is totally superfluous. In other words, it isn’t needed. Personally, I spend considerable time as a Christian, witnessing to other people and the following verse boosts me up. MARK 8:38 “Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of Me and of My words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of Man be ashamed, when He cometh in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.” If anyone reading this would like to learn more about God’s plan of salvation; my suggestion is read the Bible and I suggest the New King James Version, Personal Study with center column references and footnotes at the bottom of the page. Mine is a Nelson 165.And by the way, if a person does not believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God please consider what ISAIAH wrote some 2700 years ago: ISAIAH 40:22 “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers”. How else could ISAIAH have possibly known the earth was and is round unless inspired by God. And is it just coincidence that the word “circle” appears nowhere else in the Bible. Reading God’s plan of salvation and eternal life is very exciting; God Bless and good reading and remember, a person does not get to heaven simply for being “good” and does not go to hell simply for being a sinner. [email protected]


James September 17, 2015 at 8:51 am

Well this may be a fairly old article but I would just like to share my point of view in terms of your opinions within this article.

Let’s clarify the word “Christian” , it simply means someone who believes in salvation of both their physical and spiritual self as one unit after death on Earth through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, the Lamb of God which was born of the Virgin Mary in the small town of Bethlehem. Personally as a cradle Catholic (A Catholic from birth), I tend to be on the moderate side of things when it comes to inter-religious debates and arguments. And I do find it very very VERY offensive when someone argues that Catholics are not Christians. I emphasize, “Catholics are Christians” too, if not we would not place an altar and the Cross in Church as the center of our faith.

And secondly, Catholics are STILL saved from sin and death and all those things promised by our Lord, Christ Jesus. The Doctrines made are most commonly justified by the experiences of saints and martyrs and of even of the Scripture itself. Quote John 3:17, “For God sent His Son into the world not to condemn, but so through him the world might be saved”. This singular verse can strongly tell each and everyone of us that anybody at all, Catholics, Methodists, Lutherans, Orthodox, Anglican, Reformed, Free Church, Baptist, Calvary, Light Chapel etc, as long as we ARE Christians, believers in God and Christ, we ARE saved from sin upon death with the firm belief of Christ as our Savior.

So if anyone reads this, please please please stop discriminating Catholics as a non-Christian group and let us all just focus towards the one goal in our spiritual lives, which is to glorify the Lord our God with all our heart, all our strength, all our soul and all our might!

Through Christ our Lord and Saviour, I give all thee my prayers and blessings.

Founder of (Newly opened website (C) 2015


Anthony Cotton October 26, 2015 at 4:55 pm

It`s coming up to about 7 years since the Holy Spirit dropped me off on this site.
I was brought up has a Roman Catholic until one day like a guy described has answered above something happened to me and opened my eye`s and I could see everything that was wrong.
Jesus said “I am giving You(Apostles)a new commandment love your enemies” at this they were shocked!
Jesus also added that he came down to SAVE SINNERS it would be pointless to come down if there were not any sinners.
So I say this to YOU ALL! Love one another has I have loved You.
One God 3 Beings God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Evil is the absence of God in men`s Hearts.


Mary July 28, 2016 at 1:35 pm

There most certainly is mention of the forgiveness of sins in the holy bible: Parallel Verses
New International Version

If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

New Living Translation
If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven. If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

English Standard Version
If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

Berean Study Bible
If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.”

Berean Literal Bible
If you might forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you might retain any, they are retained.”

New American Standard Bible
“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

King James Bible
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

International Standard Version
If you forgive people’s sins, they are forgiven. If you retain people’s sins, they are retained.”

NET Bible
If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained.”

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“If you will forgive a man’s sins, they will be forgiven him, and if you hold a man’s, they will be held.”

GOD’S WORD® Translation
Whenever you forgive sins, they are forgiven. Whenever you don’t forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

New American Standard 1977
“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

Jubilee Bible 2000
unto those whose sins ye release, they shall be released; and unto those whose sins ye retain, they shall be retained.

King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever’s sins you remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosoever’s sins you retain, they are retained.

American King James Version
Whose soever sins you remit, they are remitted to them; and whose soever sins you retain, they are retained.

American Standard Version
whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever’sins ye retain, they are retained.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Darby Bible Translation
whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted to them; whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

English Revised Version
whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Webster’s Bible Translation
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted to them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Weymouth New Testament
If you remit the sins of any persons, they remain remitted to them. If you bind fast the sins of any, they remain bound.”

World English Bible
Whoever’s sins you forgive, they are forgiven them. Whoever’s sins you retain, they have been retained.” so Roman Catholic priests in the footsteps of Saint Peter have that perogative.


Brandy Nissley October 26, 2016 at 8:22 am

Thank you Jack for this article. We do have God’s word as our map to live by. We as fallen man and even redeemed man add to it far to often. God is not in a box and does not only exist in certain church walls. We forget how big he is and how immense his knowledge is. His ways are far above ours. I think you spoke plain and simple truth in your article. I believe we are saved by our faith in Christ and because of that faith we will produce good works. I have seen good fruit from Catholics, protestants of many denominations and messianic Jews. A side note I just attended a funeral of a friend that committed suicide. This is the fourth suicide in the past 3 years. I agree with you, only God knows the work done by His spirit in a person’s soul. I believe suicide is a sin and God does not want us to sin. God also remembers we are dust and we will sin. That is why Jesus came, to do for us what we couldn’t do. When he forgave our sins it was past, present and future sins. Nothing takes God by surprise, yet he still gives us our free will to choose. Someone tortured by mental illness, I believe God looks at them with a clear lens, understands more than we do and has compassion on them.


Jack Wellman October 26, 2016 at 8:58 am

Thank you for your kind words Brandy. I think you said it well my friend. We cannot see into a person’s heart like God can (1st Sam 16:7).


Brian March 25, 2017 at 8:05 am

“I am not in a position to say whether a person is saved or not saved. God is the only One Who knows their heart. I will not venture to even guess because this is none of my business.”

I am so glad you put it this way. It breaks my heart when I read about or hear people pronouncing judgment on other people’s standing with God just from external observations. I believe that in reality God is much bigger than we make him out to be when we declare that someone is going to hell because of x, y, or z.


Ralph Moran January 21, 2018 at 7:00 pm

My comment is this, The Catholic Church changed the 10 Commandments and the biggest one was number 2, Thou Shall not have carved images, not of things in the air, or on the earth nor beneath the sea. Then they split the 10th into 2 so they would still have 10.


beni March 5, 2018 at 7:53 pm

Ralph Moran it seems to me that you have develop so much in your perspective an ideology common in reformers holding exodus 20:4 as their quickest clincher.But let me help you out small…God commanded, make two winged creature of hammered gold further they are to face each other across the lid and there outspread wings are to cover it “THINGS OF HEAVEN[AIR]”the two cherubim, the same exodus in 25:19-20 or you can read all…. Ezekiel in his vision of the temple in 41:17-18 the inside wall of the temple, up as high as above the door, were completely covered with carvings of palm trees and creatures with two faces a human face and a lion face “THINGS ON EARTH”…ALL ON GODS COMMAND…your understanding cannot decide Gods message or do your think God himself doesn’t know what idols are like? did not end there the people of Israel worshiped toward the temple despite what are found inside and don’t forget also the presence GOD in this temple 2 chronicles 5:5-6-7,Daniel 6:10…May be from your perspective these people are idol worshipers if not quote the commandment you know very well and make it simple in all views and the changed commandment by catholic you claimed.


Mike March 24, 2018 at 1:03 pm

Here is the plain and simple truth: Fath in Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to have Salvation from sin to have eternal life, and to have a true relationship with God. Mary was a servant of God, but has no divine or intercessory powers. She cannot hear or answer prayers. For those claiming that she should be worshipped or prayed to, they are spreading heresy. Also, for those who claim that the Bible is not the ONLY source of God’s Word, they are also spreading heresy. That’s it! No more discussion on this topic is needed. Are heretics SAVED Christians? Will heretics go to Heaven? Heretics lead others astray. Heretics are the enemy of Christ’s gospel.


Jack Wellman March 24, 2018 at 1:06 pm

Hello Mike. I agree with you but I know of Catholics who have put their trust in Christ and do not worship Mary but Christ and pray to the Father through the Son of God, so we cannot say all Catholics are lost. I know you weren’t saying that (I don’t think) but just as there are false converts in the churches and true converts, so the same with the Catholic Church.


Jonas Verhelst December 3, 2018 at 5:28 am

It saddens me gravely that in the year 2018 we are still having these discussions. Ever more people are abandoning their faith, our churches are empty, yet Christians still feel the need to bicker amongst each other about dots and comma’s in the bible. Let’s abandon these pointless 18th century feuds and focus upon what unites us rather than what divides us. In the end there is only one church.


Jack Wellman December 3, 2018 at 8:50 am

True, there is only one church and its the one Jesus Christ built and there are members of every color and nation and churches around the world are part of this body of Christ. There is no one true denomination (i.e. like the Church or Christ or the Catholic Church) but many churches scattered around the world.


Jack Wellman January 22, 2015 at 2:36 pm

Thanks Roberto. So Scripture is not enough. Thanks for your response. I do agree and I thank God for those Catholics that are pro-life. We can learn much from these sisters and brothers in Christ.


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