9 Powerful Gifts of the Spirit From the Bible

by Jack Wellman on April 25, 2011 · Print Print · Email Email

What are these gifts of the Spirit? How can you know that you have particular gifts of the Spirit? Can others give us an indication of what our gift is? What does the believer do with these gifts in the church? Are some gifts more important than others? Are the gifts of healing still being accessed today by believers? Is the gift of miracles still existent in the church today?

Each and every believer has been given by the indwelling of the Spirit of God, gifts of the Spirit (Acts 2:38).  In Acts chapter 8 and in 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 we see external gifts of the Holy Spirit. They were not gifts that they have been developed by human capacities, therefore the believer has absolutely no right to brag on these gifts. If we exalt in our gifts, we are taking credit for something that we have not earned ourselves. It is like taking credit for a gift you receive on your birthday. It is just that; a gift that was not yours but given to your freely and it is given apart from any inherent capabilities that you have within you. It is not like changing the old hymn from How Great Thou Art to How Great I Am.

No believer can say that they have no gift of the Spirit from God. God has given all believers gifts; some have several but everyone has these gifts. These gifts of the Spirit are given not for the believer but for the Body of Christ. It is to make the Body complete. These gifts are intended for the church to edify it, to strengthen it, to feed it, to exhort it, to encourage it and to have the Body of Christ empowered to do the work of Christ. These gifts are always to exalt Christ, to witness of God’s power, to build up the Body, and to work to enlarge the Body of Christ by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with the lost. There are several biblical tools and surveys that believers can use to discover their own gifts of the Spirit. These are helpful applications to allow the Christian to see what their gifts are and therefore how they can best help the church. No believer in Christ has any gift of the Spirit.

Isaiah 11:2-3 speaks of seven different spirits or gifts: “And the Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. He will delight in obeying the Lord.
He will not judge by appearance nor make a decision based on hearsay (called discernment).” These are important gifts and some of them are similar to but different from the gifts of the Spirit that Paul talks about in the New Testament in I Corinthians chapter twelve. There are nine gifts of the Spirit mentioned by Paul in I Corinthians chapter twelve:

1) Word of Wisdom
2) Word of Knowledge
3) Faith
4) Gifts of Healing
5) Working of Miracles
6) Prophecy
7) Discerning of Spirits
8) Divers (or different) kinds of Tongues
9) Interpretation of (different) Tongues

This is not an exhaustive list of the gifts of the spirit, for example some are said to have the gift of mercy which is a person who is quick to forgive and not judge others who have sinned while others are not so quick to do so. God gives these gifts as He sees best and not what we think they are for (v 11). We can not receive gifts we are not intended to receive but we can desire certain gifts, indicating that we can receive gifts of the Spirit that may fulfill the desires of our hearts while still fulfilling God‘s purpose for them (v 31). Let’s examine what these gifts are and what is their intended use is for in the church today.

Romans chapter twelve has a similar listing of the gifts of the Spirit but I Corinthians chapter twelve is more comprehensive in nature. I Corinthians chapter twelve begin with Paul telling the Corinthian church, and for the most part, all believers in the church today. Paul wants to make these gifts crystal clear to us and so we will depend upon the inspired Word of God to reveal them to us (v 1).

Paul tells us that “There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them” (v 4). No two gifts are the same and generally no two believers have exactly the same gifts but always these gifts are given for the common good of the church (v 7).

The Gift of Wisdom

The first gift Paul mentions is the gift of wisdom (v 8). It is listed first perhaps because it is foundational to the church and this is a gift that the believer can earnestly desire (v 31). Wisdom is clearly taught in the Word of God and “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding” (Psalm 11:10). This is the precious gift that Solomon asked for and received from God to be able to rightly rule God‘s nation (I Kings 3:12). With this wisdom, Solomon could understand what do in difficult decisions. Wisdom is also associated with fearing the Lord. Fear is simply standing in awe of God in reverence and respect. It entails loving His Word and being obedient to what it says. There is no wisdom in disobedience. This means that if some members are revering God’s laws and statutes, including loving God and loving your neighbor, that many members in the church can have this gift. Of course, many can not have it either. This gift is of supreme importance for members in the Body of Christ for if we can love God and our neighbor, we can greatly contribute to the church and those outside of the church. This love is another way of showing unbelievers and attracting them to Christ by it (John 13:35).

The Gift of Knowledge

The next gift of the Spirit is that of knowledge (v 8). Some people have such a gift of remembering scriptures. They have knowledge of God and His ways. They seem to be able to quickly distinguish which is biblical and which is not. Some translations say it is the “Word” of knowledge while others say that it is the “utterance” of knowledge. The Word is most certainly the Word of God. The “utterance” of knowledge could indicate that those with the gift of knowledge know when to speak particular words, when not to, and what words to speak with. Both words seem to fulfill what true knowledge is. These with this gift make excellent teachers, deacons, elders, or pastors.

The Gift of Faith

The next gift of the Spirit Paul mentions is the gift of faith (v 9). Those with this gift are truly amazing in how they see things. They tend to exude confidence in all situations. For example, our church deacon has said about our church growth “when” it grows we will need more Sunday school books, while others say “if” we grow we will need additional books. I met an evangelist once that spoke about things as if they already had existed or had come to pass. He spoke about finances that God would provide while simultaneously have nothing to show for it in the church’s bank account. He would always later prove to be right. This is a person more like God. He sees things that aren’t as if they already are!

The Gift of Healing

The gift of healing has been a controversial one (v 9). Some “faith healers” claim to have this gift yet have often been exposed to be frauds by undercover reporters. Many of those “healed” have been interviewed prior to their supposed healing. Some tap the power of positive thinking to convince them that they are healed. Others have even used “scam artists” or actors to portray someone that has been healed from an infirmity that they never actually had. This gift was more prominent in the New Testament church to confirm that Jesus Christ’s name had power and that God was working in the church. I am not saying that people are still not healed today but the days of having someone’s shadow passing over them and they are instantly healed is over. The gift of healing may be in relations to the power of prayer and we know that the effectual prayer of a righteous man or woman can accomplish miracles (James 5:16). In any event, we must attribute any healing that is done is “…by that one Spirit“ and not by humans (v 9).

The Gift of Miracles

The gift of “miraculous powers“ is another gift of the Spirit that appears to be unique to the New Testament church (10). This may also be associated with faith healers who claim that that have the gift of miraculous powers but they must remember that any gift or its results are always credited to the spirit and not to humans. It could also be attributed to those who are prayer warriors. There is an elderly lady that I know I want her praying for me. I have had some pretty interesting results when this lady has prayed for me. I would call some of the things that have happened miraculous in some ways. The greatest miracles that occur today are, for the most part, the miracle of human conversion. I see this as the greatest miracle of all since only the Spirit of God can illuminate the Word of God and reveal to us Who Jesus Christ is (John 6:44, Matt 16:17).

The Gift of Prophecy (Speaking)

The next gift is that of prophecy (v 10). Prophecy has several different interpretations and it is clear that in this context, within the church at Corinth, prophecy is the gift of teaching and/or speaking. The literal translation here is that it is “publicly speaking” or “speaking forth” the Word of God. This gift is associated with those who are teachers or pastors since God would not gift someone in the church to teach or preach without having an ability to do so. It is not inferring that they know the future or know what is to come since only a sovereign God alone knows the future.

The Gift of Discernment

The gift of “distinguishing between spirits” is having the gift of discernment. It is able to discern scriptures and their application to believers in the church. It is also being able to tell whether someone is earnest and sincere, or they appear to have an agenda. Peter displayed this in Acts chapter five when Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property and kept back part of the money and brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet but lied saying they had given it all to the church (Acts 5:1-10). Those with this gift of discernment or “distinguishing between spirits” may be able to know whether the church should or should not do particular things.

The Gift of Tongues

The next gift is the ability to speak in different tongues (v 10). This has been one of the most controversial and most misunderstood gifts of all. When the original outpouring of the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, there were many speaking in tongues. Paul wrote about tongues extensively in 1 Corinthians, chapters twelve through fourteen, but he was reproving the Corinthians for misusing the gift. It’s very difficult out of this passage to get any kind of mandate to speak in tongues, to get any kind of affirmation that this is something to be sought, because what you have here are primarily corrective orders given to the Corinthians. They had actually prostituted the gift of tongues into something pagan that wasn’t even representative of the work of the Spirit. All you need to do is to go back to Acts 2 and read verse 4, “They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other languages”. The literal translation in Greek is “glossa” and means tongues. This same word “glossa” (language) is used again in Acts 2:11. This means it is a known language not some unknown tongue. Then it says (in Acts 2:5-11) that there were unbelievers present at Pentecost and were hearing God’s message in their own “dialektos” dialects or language: “Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues” (dialektos or dialects)! So there were unbelievers present at Pentecost hearing God’s message in their own languages and their own local dialects, not ecstatic gibberish.

The Gift of Interpretation of Tongues

The next gift Paul mentions is the gift of interpretation of tongues (v 10). This gift is someone who is able to interpret another tongue or language. I am bilingual and can speak English and Spanish but I would not say that I have this gift necessarily. Some have a natural gift or ability to learn a foreign language. It was not natural nor did it come easy for me. For those who this is easy, then they may be imbued with such a gift. If anyone was speaking in tongues in the church, there absolutely had to be someone there to interpret or they were to be silent. And no more than one person was to speak in tongues because there is only one interpreter available to translate at a time. If several were speaking in tongues at the same time, there would be confusion and God is not the author of confusion, but He is the God of order (1 Cor 14:33). It would not be edifying the church to have several speaking in tongues at the same time and with no one to interpret. Tongues are a sign for unbelievers and not for the church. Paul writes, “In the Law it is written: ‘With other tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.’ Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers” (1 Cor. 14: 21-22). Isaiah 28:11-12 is where Paul quotes Isaiah the prophet, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, ‘This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.’” This clearly indicates that the gift of tongues (Greek for languages) and the interpretation of them is that of a known language as a witness to unbelievers.

Paul wants to make clear that we should not elevate one gift over another but esteem each and necessary for the completeness of the Body of Christ as Paul says in I Corinthians 12:12-23, “Now if the foot should say, ‘Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,’ it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor.”

Other Gifts of the Spirit

Romans 12:7-8 also speaks of additional gifts; “if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.” This shows that some are gifted at teaching, some at showing mercy, some in giving to the work of the Lord, and some who show an unusual amount of forgiveness (called mercy).

Ephesians 4:11 reveals yet more gifts as Paul indicates there are, “…apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers.” Again teachers are mentioned, evangelists are those who are unusually gifted at sharing the gospel with the lost, pastors and prophets (again, this is those who proclaim the gospel). Apostles can no longer exist because by definition, they would be those church leaders who have been commissioned by the risen Christ and having been done so in His presence. Those who call themselves apostles have no such authority given by God and they are self-designated only, thusly disqualifying themselves as a true apostle.

Many Gifts, Many Members, One Body

Each and every church member is clearly a part of “… the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in the church first of all apostles (no longer in this church age), second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? Now eagerly desire the greater gifts“(I Cor. 12:28-31). I pray you not only seek and discover your gifts but that you utilize them to the strengthening of the Body of Christ, for which you are a part. If you are not, then today is the time to become part of Christ’s church because members of this body will live on into eternity.

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Kris June 14, 2013 at 12:19 pm

Thank you Cat for your prayers. I have had some trouble in the past few weeks. I am going to go in for a nuclear stress test coming up on the 24th for an evaluation of my heart but the breathing thing also came up about the same time a couple of weeks ago. So they are doing a ‘rule out” sort of approach.

I was a professional singer so lung issues are stressful even as they would be anyway.

I live in a damp environment in the NW USA. We have mildew issues and pollen too . I had not had any trouble now for 6 years….but the stress of D DAY added to all other kinds of things in our lives lately maybe just took it’s toll.

I have overcome bronchitis and pneumonia in the distant past and thought those days were over. This feels like a different thing …maybe allergies….which up to now did not bother my lungs . Being in this kind of environment with long periods of rain maybe is not the best but I have always gone through without this sort of effect that has lasted so long.

My chest xray was done and the Doctor has not told me much . I don’t have a personal regular physician since moving here so there is no one that ‘knows’ my baseline health very well. Over the years with many moves I have tried to make a ‘connection ‘ so that whatever doctor I have seen would care about and know my health. I believe that the many moves and the bigger load that many doctors now have has left that kind of care in the past along with the town doctor sort of experience.

I think they are doing as well as anyone could expect in my case . We will simply have to continue to count on the Lord to keep me going for as long as it pleases Him while doing the best I know to do.

I finally began using an inhaler when I have ’bouts’ . I have not been diagnosed with asthema and I am not sure how you KNOW that would be the issue. Last night I had a pretty tough time breathing and coughed a lot but when I went to bed I have a hepa filter in my room and that seemed to give some relief along with the inhaler.

I have not found a church here since arrival and the discovery of adultery knocked me for a loop for sure. It saps strength like nothing else I have had to go through . Sad to learn since then how many people are dealing with it . I have found that offering comfort and encouragement to others in this situation to seek the Lord and to not “jump ship’ to be helpful.

I have enjoyed so many good things in my life despite the way my husband pretty much lived his life independent of any real participation in our marriage since he was ‘climbing the corporate ladder’ and began to reject the Lord in order not to offend those he preferred to please …which would be all of those who he worked with and made friends with. That pretty much put me on the outside of his life.

I had continued in my walk and followed the Lord and soon was homeschooling our family even though my husband did not want to be involved or even take time to learn anything about what we were doing.

Since D Day he has been on the downward slide in every aspect of life. Depressed , hopeless, continuing to see the children he had with the OW but ‘hates’ her and himself for what they did ….14 years of lying ,cheating , stealing as he bought her a house and new Lexus and has drained all of our savings and gone into deep debt ,..which also was a result of the economic crisis of our country.

SIN KILLS….it is deadly and though he began in the faith he became ‘invincible’ in his mind as he became more and more ‘important’ among those he worked with and more financially ‘set’ …I grieve for him because he knew better and even was warned about how his charming behavior was causing not just me pain as I observed his methods of managment among his workers but he also put all of those women in danger of desiring him . He would not listen. He did not care…HE was so sure of himself as having ‘good motives’ that no one could turn him from his choices.

I must say that I had not thought he would go as a far as he did ….14 years of having set up such a deceitful way to excuse his many absences and late returns in the evening . He mastered the ability to deceive and I was kept busy with all that I had to do at home with teaching our family …showing and selling our homes and moving alone over many many moves while he was sent ahead.

I now realize many of the things that I did not know I should have been rightly privy to . One of the things he did early on in our marriage and I had lived with as a child was the idea that HIS life was his own private business. I did not poke around or intrude’ into his life . I would show interest and try to broach issues that I knew we should discuss in our marriage together but he was evasive and would not be transparent. I thought that would change but when some issue came up he got better at lying .

He really began to assert his independence covered by ‘transparent’ LYING after our first child was born and his mom died. He had a brief emotional adulterous relationship with a woman at work that I discovered and I took action to go to her and relate to her that God’s best man for any woman would not be another woman’s wife. I ministered and prayed with her …she then called me to apologize and quit her job and left town …I was not until just lately I found out that she was a married woman ! SO my husband has never been transparent and still is not being so . He simply does not have the ‘skills’ to call upon himself to be truthful .

The most recent discovery was of this OW who solicite him …drew him in as he was not opposed to ‘dating ‘ while he was transferred ahead while I took care of a newborn and two toddlers, wrapped up a big addition and remodel on our home and then put it on the market.

THe OW weaseled into his heart by sexual activity …He later hired her risking his precious career …but told her since the start he would never leave me !

The ‘addition’ of a woman who he said was ‘not the whole package ‘ but ‘made his life complete’ I certainly brought forth the way GOD tells a man his wife is the completer ..but for those who are invested in their flesh this truth is lost on them.

I grieve that he and all of us MISSED ‘ what marriage was intended to be . I often tried to tell him ‘I did not get married to be alone and to go everywhere alone’ he did not respond to this ..He was too involved with work and the OW …and finally she urged him to ‘give her children ‘ since she had ‘ used up her time to meet anyone else”! of that is what he said.

She always knew she was only a side …and he would never marry her and this was part of the evidence I found in her own words on D Day .

She had also ‘researched’ how to be a ‘single mom by choice’ ….! These who decide they have reproductive ‘rights’ are deeply deceived and now the two children suffer as she is not attentive to them and often leaves them alone for long periods of time even though the youngest has epilepsy. They were her ‘ticket’ for financial support so that she has not worked any full time since but does not use the money we give in ways that would be for the children as it was intended.

We have now become depleted and soon she may find she has to work. She is going back to school to become a social worker…God help the families she intrudes into then!

She has raised the children to be atheists despite the efforts my husband has now tried to offer the children some info about Jesus . The oldest told him she hates christians. No doubt the OW who once met me and saw our homeschool set up and heard about Jesus …hated me and Jesus ….and also lived in a way to oppose Christ .

I had not thought too much about this but she actually planned to bring more people into the world according to the hard core feminist position on marriage and family since she did not want marriage but wanted to ‘work for the party’ ..as she is a self proclaimed ‘hard leftest’ .

I never thought my husband would do such a terrible thing not because he loved me so much but because I felt his ego would not allow him to destroy his integrity and image….I was wrong .

NOw he is deeply damaged and I petition the Lord to continue to work in my own walk and for the soul of my husband …and that of the OW and those children …OUR own children have been deeply wounded too …they have been raised in the Word so I thank the Lord for keeping them in His care despite the way that my husband’s choices have indicated that he did not even think of how this would hurt them as well.

It seems to me that they looked upon raising children like some people think of having a puppy…They did not think of anyone but their own lusts and greed.

Thank you for putting up with such a lengthy and pretty much off topic sharing …sometimes it just ‘comes ‘ out …but that is the story as short as I can make it .

I am so thankful to find this site…many start out with proposing the faith but many also are a mixed bag of New Age isms.I have been on the search for those who love the Lord and do not care for mixtures in terms of the Word of God …..As we come out of such a dark and deceitful world which at first we do not always realize how dark it is ..

BTW ….There are two articles on here about prayers …go to the index , I thought they were very well done and helpful. I think your idea for a space for prayer requests is a good one. I saw a side bar with that but I am not sure I trust sidebars …sometimes they are like a popup …my limited computer knowledge showing now! Hahaha…..Thank you for the exchange here Cat ….it is comforting to know someone is caring about others so much!

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Michael June 14, 2013 at 12:58 pm

I appreciate your efforts and some of what you say. To be brief, there needs more info/wisdom reflected on your part about the gift of healing. I encourage you to explore this more deeply and not be inhibited by the scammers or by your own peers’ opinions. Seek God instead.

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Jack Wellman June 14, 2013 at 4:01 pm

Thank you Micheal for your criticism of this article. We have over 300 articles here based upon biblical and systematic theology and so we have an article that addresses they concern you have. This was not intended to be one on or just a focus on one of these gifts like heling. Please check out this link for more sir and thank you. I am sorry we dissapointed you my friend. Check out this article Michael at:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/are-faith-healers-real-why-dont-they-often-visit-hospitals/

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Mr A Cotton February 19, 2014 at 4:28 pm

I agree with all that you wrote down in your article Jack.
The gift of healing is giving to doctor`s and every body working has a team in a hospital.
I have heard lots of comments like how did he get through that operation it`s a miracle.
The other one Faith Healer`s is a one that God only knows.
My brother had cancer and he turned to a Faith Healer for his daughter,but it did not work out.
When he told me he said it was worth a try,and I replied yes it was worth the the try,but I was only being respectful for what he did.
Myself God decides when you leave this world,and nobody else.
I know because I was going on my holidays but when I started the journey I started to get a pain in my stomach,and it got worse has we went on.
I could not stand it any longer so my mates dropped me off at this hospital.
If you looked at my stomach I looked 9 months pregnant.
A consultant came and examined me and said we will take you down to the theater.
I replied ( In Agony) what if I don`t go down,he replied you will probably die,and I said all right then I will probably die (No disrespect to the Consultant)
I just knew that I would get better,and I did thanks to God it wasn`t my time. Evan the nurses said we don`t know how you got through that. I still wonder sometimes why I did not die only God knows that.

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OLALERE ONI June 18, 2013 at 3:27 pm

Satisfied by the compilation on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.

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Nancy July 14, 2013 at 12:07 pm

I like the list of gifts of the Holy Spirit that is given in Galatians 5:22: “The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.”

I spend the Pentacostal period teaching this verse to my Sunday School children. Each week we take one of the gifts and explore Biblical Stories about it and how we can do acts of love, etc.

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Deanna Collins July 17, 2013 at 6:22 am

Is it possible for certain people to have gifts of hearing voiices and seeing spirits?

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Cat July 17, 2013 at 4:42 pm

Hi Deanna…In my experience I would say for a Christian to hear these things the answer is no. They come from Satan and the only way a Christian would hear or see these thing would be if it were a form of attack, not a gift. From experience, Spiritual attacks are scary stuff and not a gift at all! These things usually happen to discourage the believer from following the faith and lead them astray…from the path God wishes for them. I have known them to occur people who have been involved in things of the occult and they were attacked as they found their faith. Satan didn’t want them to go to God! Other times, Ministers and those who are currently being used by God for something, have been attacked spiritually in such ways. However Spiritual attack can come in many forms, not just the supernatural scary stuff. In my case, as I learn how to repel one type of attack, Satan hits me the next time with something stronger and unfamilar. He is not very nice as I am sure you know and will try anything to keep us from full filling Gods plan.

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Jack Wellman July 17, 2013 at 6:11 pm

Cat, thank you….you are exactly right. I thank God for you friend. My computer at home crashed and I need a new one so thank you for answering her question. As always, your biblical wisdom and experience are spot on. Love you sister Cat.

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Cat July 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm

Glad to be of any help Pastor. I have an old computer too and was told it was unfixable two yrs ago. God blessed me with a coworker who was former MI intelligence. He took my computer home, used his to boot it up since we were unable to even start it. I had gotten a bug that my antivirus missed and it attacked my windows start up program. He rewrote my program which is now a lost art amoung most computer techs who rely on programs to diagnoise and fix issues. Ask around and maybe you will find an old programer who knows dos. My computer had to have some memory added as its about ten yrs old, runs a little slow but form basic use, its fine.

Hope everything else is well. I spent last night in the ER. After a month of wheezing nightly and no voice, I finally got voice back yesturday, still wheezy but not as bad. I was so excited. Then about 3/4 thru my shift we lost all our staffing and I spent 1 1/2 hrs running my tail off…I was running 3 self check, a reg. register, had a constant code 3, and customers screaming at me to move faster while demanding managers who were not available. When it ended my voice was gone, I was gasping for air, coughing, and wheezing very loud. I then hear a man asking me how long I have been like this. I tell him I have just been diagnosed with what they believe to be adult onset asthma and have been having issues with breathing nightly and no voice for a month. He informs me he has asthma and he can hear me standing acrossed the room. That my eyes are buldging, skin color bad, and showing the sign of not getting enough air. Ask about my inhaler which I took two hrs before and had not helped at all. Says the voice is due to airway obstruction and by the way he is an er nurse one step from his PA license. He tells me to get to er and tell them I am acute and past stage inhaler will work. I need nebulizer treatment and not to take no for an answer. I tell him I can’t afford it and he responds…can you afford a 25,000 bill if you survive when you black out and if you don’t kill yourself or somebody else cause you do it while driving? Then tells me that it is not understood that putting in an airway on asthmatics who have closed up is not easy and not always possible. So I finally gave in when he threatend to return in a few days and pitch a scene if I tell him I have not been to er. Been asking God why I am not better so how do I argue when apparently God sent free medical advice to me at work while I was having a bad attack.

Went to ER and of course five hrs later after sitting still I was much better. Dr could hear wheezing comming from throat but said that while I may have asthma, that would not cause me to loose voice for this long. Ordered chest and throat xray which were clear. Said that something is causing airway obstruction/swelling which is not good, we need to find cause because they hospitalize people for airway issues. Ordered me to see specialist so he can scope my airway and determine the cause…it can be as simple as reflux disease, which I am not having symptoms of, or it can be much more serious. In meantime, I was put on double dose of steroids for five days. Plus reflux meds in case that the case until I can see specialist.

I can’t interview because I have no voice…I am running out of time to prevent becomming homeless and need job asap. I can’t type more than a few min because steroids are causing my hands, arms, and wrist to swell and fall asleep. I have no Idea how I will pay rent and eat let alone pay for all this medical. Please Pray for me, I could really use everyones prayer. I applied five days ago online to a Christian run business who pays well for full time house cleaning. Pray that God works on their hearts to at least give me an interview.

Thanks and God Bless…Cat

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Jack Wellman July 18, 2013 at 6:52 pm

Oh Cat, I am truly sorry for your fierce trial right now. Daniel…please first accept my apology. My computer crashed and I have just now got a new one up and running and so I am sorry for responding so late. I don’t normally reply this late.

As far as your anger, it was a righteous anger and you are human. The way you have been treated is not justified at all. I will pray for you as you requested. Please, others join with me and help our fellow saint, Cat, in her dire need at this hour and in the mighty name of Jesus so that His name be glorified, amen.

Pastor Jerry Webb August 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm

Dear Sir,

Please explain what you mean by “No believer in Christ has any gift of the Spirit”, also you may want to check some of your scripture references.

Thank you,

jerry July 28, 2013 at 7:51 pm

Hello cat I know what you are talking about Just when you think you have satan figured out he comes at you at a different angle . the attacks get strong at times . he was not nice to Jesus eather but he over came satan for us . Cat I have heard a voices 2 times in my life when I first got saved I was working and was thinking about satan getting kick out of heaven and I heard a mans voice from some where say I wished he had not got kicked out of heaven and another time I was talking to a man at work and he was telling me he was a Christian I heard a childs voice say he,s fooling you and later that day I saw him curseing and swareing calling gods name in vain I have never heard a voice again like that since that time and that’s been around 37 years . when I told my dad about the mans voice he said I wished satan had not got kicked out of heaven eather the world would be a better place if he had not sined .

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L C May 23, 2014 at 12:37 pm

In response to being able to see or hear things, I do agree this could be a form of an attack from the enemy in regards to your faith and your personal relationship with God.

Over the last few years I had stepped out of my relationship with Him, in my times of weakness, and while coming back to the Lord for repentance and searching to join in the Body of Christ, that is, the church, I found the enemy constantly trying to drag me backwards.

I became incredibly depressed (depression runs in my family so I can go through it from the time to time but this was something different) and even trying to get back into reading my Bible would make me feel physically sick. My boyfriend was trying to help me get back into the church life and I eventually had to call out to God to forgive me of my past and to help me get back to His path for me.
During this time I began to realize when I was becoming under attack from the enemy by the feel of things (not just my own feelings, I could have a great day and suddenly be overwhelmed, anxious, depressed, or angry/irritable for no real reason), sometimes by not only what I have seen but also perceived in my mind (by what I believe God has made me aware of around us in the spiritual realm), and even once what I smelled.
After God had allowed me to be released of such things and I came to enjoy being in the Lord, I began to explore what some of that might mean and asked for His guidance.
Later, He revealed to me the gift of discernment.

The key point of being aware of these things in your life is to ask God what He is showing you and to not seek what the enemy is up to.
It is through our faith in Him that may go through many trials and hearing or seeing things might also be one of them.

The real part of that is to ask God what is going on. He is the one with all the answers. And though we may seek others that have been through similar experiences, HE is the one with the true answers.
You have to keep in mind that what we go through in our own lives is different for all of us, as God has made us to all be different and any gifts he has given us we need to learn to be interdependent, not independent.

More recently I have felt a call to bring such things to the attention of our brothers and sisters in Christ for I have come to realize, over the last year, that I am sometimes sensitive to the spiritual realm around me.
But I also realize that it is only God that allows this to happen and that my first response must always be to pray to Him and ask Him if there might be something He is trying to reveal to me, a person to pray for, a situation to pray for, someone to share Christ with, etc. The list can go on. I’ve found that when I have felt or seen something NOT of God and ask Him that if it is not Him revealing something for me and there is NO REASON for it to be there that He would please take it away He usually does.
But this also means you need to work on your relationship with Him daily and grow in that so you will have that faith that He will take care of you and not allow anything to harm you.

As Christians, it is so easy to become stuck in our daily lives that we easily forget about the fact that we are sharing the same space as those in the spiritual realm (that is, the devil and his minions, as well as the angels God sends down to complete His Will.) But this does not need to be our focus. Our focus must always remain on God. I feel that most people, in these days, are so out of touch with the idea of this that when someone comes along that is more sensitive to such things they’re not sure how to handle it and avoid questions or try to redirect.

My answer to you on this subject would be to seek God and ask Him what is going on. Look into any ministry areas He might be calling you to go to that concern whatever it is that He is allowing to go on around you. Keep your faith in Him as our provider and Lord of all (seen or unseen), and remember that we need to seek Him first and foremost.
There is no situation that we cannot handle if we’re walking with the Lord.

I’ll be praying for you and although I realize you posted this a year ago, I hope that it helps someone.
My heart’s desire is to be able to help others who might be experiencing such things in learning that, with the Lord on our side, and our strengthening in our relationship with Him, we do not have to be afraid. We can move on and seek what His will is for us in our lives.

Praise be to God for such wonderful and mysterious works! He is our Savior and Lord, our Deliverer in times of distress.
I’ll be praying for your situation and hope that God will continue to speak to you and show you His path for your life. Even if this doesn’t reach you, I know my prayers reach the One who matters.

Bless you all and the Lord be with you!

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Kris May 23, 2014 at 2:41 pm

I believe this is an exhortation I needed to hear. When the adulterous relationship was revealed to me that my husband had been doing for over 14 years at the time and that had produced two children I recall this hitting me like tsunami.

I had been walking after the Lord for many years and my experience of shock, horror, incredibility, and confusion was really NOT what I was prepared to understand or know how I SHOULD be feeling.

I know from the Word that we are to walk by the WORD and trust in the Lord but though I had experienced many kinds of things in terms of what the world , the flesh and the devil through at you and God may allow I did not know HOW to forgive THIS kind of betrayal from this close a relationship.

I wanted to be sure I did not REACT but to act upon the wise counsel of GOD …BUT the various ‘ministries’ and other kinds of resources were not trustworthy . The word had much to offer but in my state of sorrow and grief and the incomprehensible reality of my husband’s long term life lived in deceit I did not feel equipped to know what was it that was ‘normal’ for a believer in such a situtation.

After all in the Bible those who committed adultery were sentenced to death and families were those who took up the care of the abandoned , widows, and orphans.

In the New Testament we are referred to Jesus who did not condemn the woman ‘caught in adultery’ yet this does not say he did not condemn adultery….What it was that those who wanted to ‘catch him’ in doing was breaking the law in terms of the need for two or three witnesses who would testify in agreement to the accusation.

Since there were no accusers he could not lawfully pass a sentence condemning the woman according to the laws which were put in place to eliminate those who sinned in this way as well as any other sinful practice lest it spread throughout the land due to the seeming tolerance of sin.

So the situations of these kinds of debilitating and destructive sins in this day and time , where adultery is not only tolerated but encouraged in our society AND rewards are often offered to women who have children out of wedlock , the victim of such sinful crimes is left to try to figure out what is the way to go on in life as Christ would have us do.

Forgiveness of course is what we see , and to ‘love our neighbors, enemies and such ..’ What IS LOVE according to GOD’S definition comes into the mix…For God’s kind of love is based not upon fleshly feelings and emotions as many think but it is to love enough to offer to those who do not know, the truth of GOD’S WORD.

God’s WORD is what Jesus said ” judges every man on the last day’ so telling people the truth about sin and that they may seek the Lord and confess their sin and TURN FROM IT as they go forward , following HIM is what is very much called for.

It is NOT God’s love to just allow sin to continue.

I agree that what you learned while walking in your relationship with the Lord has been very different than many who teach about such things .

It is the difference between the relationship with Christ and really learning what HE says in the Word and how that is applied to our living life in this fallen world.

It is not for ‘entertainment’ that discernment was provided to those who are willing to obey Him but for preservation and for continuing to walk and live IN HIM.

Many so called ‘marriage therapists’ and ‘counsellors’ will try to deal with marriage ‘problems’ rather than first confronting the adulterer and having them deal with their having chosen to follow after their lust.

This actually has left many of those betrayed feeling like they were the cause of their spouse’s sinful choice! This is not just in the secular world of attempts to ‘fix’ a marriage but also is found in many church counselling paradigms. I have read many testimonies of how frustrated people who have gone to get help who have come away with either useless , cliche advice , or worse , damaging them by lack of wise counsel upon this most difficult issue.

“Go and sin not more’ was good counsel because the act was identified as SIN and then the penalty was clear in the minds of those who were told this …that sin leads to death …even if in a society that does not call for the death penalty for those who commit adultery…it STILL KILLS.

In the meantime , justice delayed is justice denied.

This is not that I would want anyone to be stoned to death or any of the other horrible ways that have been inflicted upon those who commit this sin BUT it was a deterrent useful to reduce the amount of people willing to risk it in those days and times when it was the prescribed punishment.

It also left the betrayed free to marry …as divorce was not God’s desire for those who vowed to become ONE FLESH.

Here again it is the betrayed spouse that suffers the consequences that the adulterer’s sin causes when there is a divorce.

These days it is difficult to hear how many believers have married those who they thought were of equal devotion to the Lord but due to wrong teaching, lack of knowledge of the Word and time applying it, often because we now have GENERATIONS not trained up in the things of GOD by parents who GOD ordained to do so ..and even if they were kids in church the churches have long since fallen away from godly right teaching in many instances….SO we have a lack of knowing what to look for and how to determine the true devotion of anyone who claims the Lord …until there has been sufficient time in study and right doctrinal instruction for a person newly entering into Christ.

I know of many who suffered the realization that they married a person who was not seasoned in their faith and tried by various incidents that called for them to walk in the Truth rather than give in to the world and their flesh in the face of temptation.

So many terms have been rebranded in the faith that many people have no idea how the interaction between the Lord and their thinking is to be walked in.

This ‘ignorance’ is not always for lack of trying but at least for me I have observed in my own walk that we don’t realize what we don’t have that we need of the understanding of what GOD has recorded for us to learn and know.

We are all given the command to study and rightly divide the Word personally . I did not realize many of the things that have effected those teachings we thought we could trust because of the ‘tradition’ of men trained but …they were NOT trained by GOD but taught by men and the ongoing passing down of various doctrines of man !

So I see that many entering into trusting Jesus have no idea that some teachings and teachers are not trustworthy but are wolves and this has been the case now for most of our society for over 100 years …of course it has gone all the way back to Eden , but more recently there was a movement to assault the church more by design of the enemy of GOD and of those who God loves.

I was not even aware that there was a NAME for this kind of thing until more recent years …it was “Higher Criticism’ that was one of the key elements along with many other ‘isms’ added to the faith …going back to the most basic way that the Serpent used and still finds most effective to deconstruct people’s hope in learning truth from the Bible , the scriptures that are GOD breathed and trustworthy are being ripped apart by anti christian ‘scholars’ who are nothing more than skeptics and workers of evil intent upon destroying the faith of those who are unstable and unlearned at the earliest age possible.

Then within the churches and behind pulpits there are those who offer ‘methods’ and ‘principles’ instead of the living word .

So much for relying upon anyone or anything other than the LORD Himself and what HE provided for us in His Word .

I am very pleased to read that your exhortation encourages those who believe and want to learn from GOD in how they might be assured that they will be led by Him .

Believing what HE testified that ‘ Those who come to GOD must BELIEVE that HE IS …AND that HE is a rewarder of those who DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM’

There is no ‘fast track’ to spiritual maturity but we are to follow Christ , denying our selves, taking up our cross daily in order to GROW.

Many ‘spiritual’ practices teach about daily physical disciplines such as yoga and meditation which open the mind to any and all kinds of spirits which will take advantage of the mind , emptied .

The Lord tells us to take captive every thought to the obedience to Christ …to cast down vain imaginations and every HIGH thought that holds itself up against the KNOWLEDGE of God in Christ Jesus.

Yes….so those other thoughts are VAIN …and they are not based upon TRUTH …they are of the imagination of man’s mind .

The mind is to be filled with the WORD of GOD and asking the Lord to help us learn how to live by it and apply it to our thinking is powerfully effective as it is the Sword of the Spirit …the WORD of GOD is the INCORRUPTIBLE SEED.

Learning how to ask the Lord when we need to know is extremely helpful, useful toward our being instructed in as the Word is how the man of God is fully furnished unto all good works ..the Works that GOD has foreordained that we should walk in which is THE WORD, our narrow way !

The ‘works ‘ are HIS works ….not our busy works….so then I appreciate your post very much.

I do not gain wisdom from secular counselors who base their methods on man’s desires . A marriage is something brought to pass as a man and a woman vow to GOD and one another before witnesses , God does not ordain nor bless any perversion of this kind of commitment.

What has not been ‘brought together ‘ by GOD is not blessed by GOD.

To ‘bring together’ speaks of when the two decide to choose one another and make that life long commitment …there is NO divorce by mankind that may break that covenant.

So again …man and secular law does not override what GOD has ordained.

Neither does man nor secular law change what GOD has ordained.

Man does not define what love is by his feelings and appetites and Man does not put assunder what GOD has ordained and joined.

The way we are instructed to live once we come to Christ is by HIS word , His ordained way , and that is JESUS CHRIST.

HOW to respond to such a sin as adultery has to be by HIS ordained wisdom which we are to search out.

It is very difficult in this day and time to know how to go forward but we must obey Him not man and not allow man’s changeable laws to determine our course.

Many feel that since they have suffered the adulterous acts of their spouse that they have to divorce or they ‘can’ divorce . That permissive course of action is indeed seen in scripture but if we really love the Lord and want to demonstrate faith do we ‘cut to the chase’ as it were and divorce? Some say so citing the way we are to separate ourselves from unbelievers and unrepentant …all the while forgiving and leaving the door open for repentance.

This is called ‘standing ‘ for one’s covenant marriage I believe.

Many are doing so , in sorrow , since those who have succumb to the weight of the consensus of the world have believed they have a ‘right’ to be ‘happy’ no matter what . Living life at the expense of one’s soul and other people’s lives is to live in iniquity. Lawlessness.

We are no longer “under the law ‘ but it is the law of SIN AND DEATH that we may live free from IF we are willing to do so.

We may be saved from the wrath to come through Jesus CHrist and believing in Him but for many who continue in the Gnostic ideology of what they do in the flesh has no particular effect upon their eternity , they seem to demonstrate a lack of understanding of what God’s love is .
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Living a life according to one’s desires and appitites will lead to sin,as the ten commandments set in stone what was written on the heart of the conscience of man from the beginning.

Thus all will be held accountable before Christ and after.

Roman’s chapter one makes this pretty evident.

To love GOD is to put HIM and HIS WORD first in every consideration.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

All of what LOVE IS is defined by the ten , summarized by the ten and really the FIRST . If someone will do that then I believe what you have shared here regarding learning how to recognize what GOD’S point of view is or worldview will be part of our maturing in our relationship with Him.
We begin to recognize that those thoughts which are in line with His Word are his ‘voice’ …the Holy Spirit ‘speaking ‘ to us and giving us guidance…”This is the way , walk ye in it’ …it will always be according to His Word and not at cross purposes but we MUST KNOW what HIS word says!

This has been a long time in coming to my understanding over the years as I also listened to hear what others who said they loved GOD would share …some were correct , other’s just sounded good , and some solicited my yearning for something l already liked and thought was godly by teaching what I liked was ‘good’ when later I learned it was harmful!

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Pro 7:1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

Pro 4:4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

So it is I am the slow learner but one thing I do …not give up …not get talked out of continuing in the Word of GOD ….

Jhn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

Coming to realize this was a big deal for me . I remember being led to believe that I did not HAVE the Holy Spirit and needed to have an ‘experience’ ! This led to many difficulties and bondage to submission to others .

Since I learned that the thoughts that came to mind which were scripture were actually the way that the Spirit of GOD ‘spoke ‘ to me and that the whole word of GOD is God’s VOICE in how HE teaches us by His spirit then I became free of the way others’ who seemed to have more authority were my teachers. Lifting up men is not useful and oftentimes is destructive . This is where the false teachers take advantage for their own agendas.

Learning to heed the Word of GOD and turning to Him , asking questions and knowing He will bring the answers to mind and through study of the Word has been a big key for me to become free from being a slave to other people .

I am thankful to have been learning I can speak directly to the Lord and He will bring to mind answers …I can access His wisdom without any other mediator other than my Lord Jesus and He will continue to teach me

I can listen or read other people’s sharing and not take there word as gospel but I have been learning to be reminded or find out from the study of the Word what is truth or error in all that I have brought across my path.

I also have been becoming equipped through applying the Word in all situations what is true in many difficult situations.

I am thankful that GOD is not unfaithful to do all that He has promised in terms of maturing those who are willing to keep on going after Him despite stumbling and fumblings. We need not condemn ourselves for where we have been deceived. In truth we are born into a deceitful world that is set before us from childhood as truth when it is not .

All the more needed for parents to learn from the Lord the scriptures and teach them to their children. The devil , the enemy of our souls is intent to gain the teaching of children now younger and younger , taking over what GOD ordained father’s to do . The ongoing programming of young minds has ‘rewarded’ our society with a bitter crop of those who are more and more only concerned with getting what they ‘need’ in terms of feelings, lusts and lives lived independently without any accountability to anyone.

The laws of the land have turned away from GOD and serve the creature and the lusts of the flesh more and more to the very destruction of the soul and soon the bodies surrendered to the use of demons preparing for their Anti Christ ‘king’ .

Believers are learning to realize the way this works that we might continue to have hope in Christ and all He has promised and to live by faith which HE provides and strengthens as we obey Him.

I do think your post encouraging us to ask about things in our path that we are brought to pay attention to are to be realized as useful for us to learn about things GOD would have us take note of and learn from HIs perspective about their true nature and effects.

I have seen and learned many times about truth of GOD world view by way of having had something bring my attention to study of something in the Word .

I am thankful to God for this important truth for us as we learn to walk along trusting what GOD has had recorded in scripture for us to also learn from in the present life we are living through this world.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after the Spirit.

Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Isa 38:9 ¶ The writing of Hezekiah king of Judah, when he had been sick, and was recovered of his sickness:
Isa 38:16 O Lord, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit: so wilt thou recover me, and make me to live.

Isa 38:19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day:

the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

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Kris May 23, 2014 at 2:51 pm

I believe this is an exhortation I needed to hear. When the adulterous relationship was revealed to me that my husband had been doing for over 14 years at the time and that had produced two children I recall this hitting me like tsunami.

I had been walking after the Lord for many years and my experience of shock, horror, incredibility, and confusion was really NOT what I was prepared to understand or know how I SHOULD be feeling.

I know from the Word that we are to walk by the WORD and trust in the Lord but though I had experienced many kinds of things in terms of what the world , the flesh and the devil through at you and God may allow I did not know HOW to forgive THIS kind of betrayal from this close a relationship.

I wanted to be sure I did not REACT but to act upon the wise counsel of GOD …BUT the various ‘ministries’ and other kinds of resources were not trustworthy . The word had much to offer but in my state of sorrow and grief and the incomprehensible reality of my husband’s long term life lived in deceit I did not feel equipped to know what was it that was ‘normal’ for a believer in such a situation.

After all in the Bible those who committed adultery were sentenced to death and families were those who took up the care of the abandoned , widows, and orphans.

In the New Testament we are referred to Jesus who did not condemn the woman ‘caught in adultery’ yet this does not say he did not condemn adultery….What it was that those who wanted to ‘catch him’ in doing was breaking the law in terms of the need for two or three witnesses who would testify in agreement to the accusation.

Since there were no accusers he could not lawfully pass a sentence condemning the woman according to the laws which were put in place to eliminate those who sinned in this way as well as any other sinful practice lest it spread throughout the land due to the seeming tolerance of sin.

So the situations of these kinds of debilitating and destructive sins in this day and time , where adultery is not only tolerated but encouraged in our society AND rewards are often offered to women who have children out of wedlock , the victim of such sinful crimes is left to try to figure out what is the way to go on in life as Christ would have us do.

Forgiveness of course is what we see , and to ‘love our neighbors, enemies and such ..’ What IS LOVE according to GOD’S definition comes into the mix…For God’s kind of love is based not upon fleshly feelings and emotions as many think but it is to love enough to offer to those who do not know, the truth of GOD’S WORD.

God’s WORD is what Jesus said ” judges every man on the last day’ so telling people the truth about sin and that they may seek the Lord and confess their sin and TURN FROM IT as they go forward , following HIM is what is very much called for.

It is NOT God’s love to just allow sin to continue.

I agree that what you learned while walking in your relationship with the Lord has been very different than many who teach about such things .

It is the difference between the relationship with Christ and really learning what HE says in the Word and how that is applied to our living life in this fallen world.

It is not for ‘entertainment’ that discernment was provided to those who are willing to obey Him but for preservation and for continuing to walk and live IN HIM.

Many so called ‘marriage therapists’ and ‘counsellors’ will try to deal with marriage ‘problems’ rather than first confronting the adulterer and having them deal with their having chosen to follow after their lust.

This actually has left many of those betrayed feeling like they were the cause of their spouse’s sinful choice! This is not just in the secular world of attempts to ‘fix’ a marriage but also is found in many church counselling paradigms. I have read many testimonies of how frustrated people who have gone to get help who have come away with either useless , cliche advice , or worse , damaging them by lack of wise counsel upon this most difficult issue.

“Go and sin not more’ was good counsel because the act was identified as SIN and then the penalty was clear in the minds of those who were told this …that sin leads to death …even if in a society that does not call for the death penalty for those who commit adultery…it STILL KILLS.

In the meantime , justice delayed is justice denied.

This is not that I would want anyone to be stoned to death or any of the other horrible ways that have been inflicted upon those who commit this sin BUT it was a deterrent useful to reduce the amount of people willing to risk it in those days and times when it was the prescribed punishment.

It also left the betrayed free to marry …as divorce was not God’s desire for those who vowed to become ONE FLESH.

Here again it is the betrayed spouse that suffers the consequences that the adulterer’s sin causes when there is a divorce.

These days it is difficult to hear how many believers have married those who they thought were of equal devotion to the Lord but due to wrong teaching, lack of knowledge of the Word and time applying it, often because we now have GENERATIONS not trained up in the things of GOD by parents who GOD ordained to do so ..and even if they were kids in church the churches have long since fallen away from godly right teaching in many instances….SO we have a lack of knowing what to look for and how to determine the true devotion of anyone who claims the Lord …until there has been sufficient time in study and right doctrinal instruction for a person newly entering into Christ.

I know of many who suffered the realization that they married a person who was not seasoned in their faith and tried by various incidents that called for them to walk in the Truth rather than give in to the world and their flesh in the face of temptation.

So many terms have been rebranded in the faith that many people have no idea how the interaction between the Lord and their thinking is to be walked in.

This ‘ignorance’ is not always for lack of trying but at least for me I have observed in my own walk that we don’t realize what we don’t have that we need of the understanding of what GOD has recorded for us to learn and know.

We are all given the command to study and rightly divide the Word personally . I did not realize many of the things that have effected those teachings we thought we could trust because of the ‘tradition’ of men trained but …they were NOT trained by GOD but taught by men and the ongoing passing down of various doctrines of man !

So I see that many entering into trusting Jesus have no idea that some teachings and teachers are not trustworthy but are wolves and this has been the case now for most of our society for over 100 years …of course it has gone all the way back to Eden , but more recently there was a movement to assault the church more by design of the enemy of GOD and of those who God loves.

I was not even aware that there was a NAME for this kind of thing until more recent years …it was “Higher Criticism’ that was one of the key elements along with many other ‘isms’ added to the faith …going back to the most basic way that the Serpent used and still finds most effective to deconstruct people’s hope in learning truth from the Bible , the scriptures that are GOD breathed and trustworthy are being ripped apart by anti christian ‘scholars’ who are nothing more than skeptics and workers of evil intent upon destroying the faith of those who are unstable and unlearned at the earliest age possible.

Then within the churches and behind pulpits there are those who offer ‘methods’ and ‘principles’ instead of the living word .

So much for relying upon anyone or anything other than the LORD Himself and what HE provided for us in His Word .

I am very pleased to read that your exhortation encourages those who believe and want to learn from GOD in how they might be assured that they will be led by Him .

Believing what HE testified that ‘ Those who come to GOD must BELIEVE that HE IS …AND that HE is a rewarder of those who DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM’

There is no ‘fast track’ to spiritual maturity but we are to follow Christ , denying our selves, taking up our cross daily in order to GROW.

Many ‘spiritual’ practices teach about daily physical disciplines such as yoga and meditation which open the mind to any and all kinds of spirits which will take advantage of the mind , emptied .

The Lord tells us to take captive every thought to the obedience to Christ …to cast down vain imaginations and every HIGH thought that holds itself up against the KNOWLEDGE of God in Christ Jesus.

Yes….so those other thoughts are VAIN …and they are not based upon TRUTH …they are of the imagination of man’s mind .

The mind is to be filled with the WORD of GOD and asking the Lord to help us learn how to live by it and apply it to our thinking is powerfully effective as it is the Sword of the Spirit …the WORD of GOD is the INCORRUPTIBLE SEED.

Learning how to ask the Lord when we need to know is extremely helpful, useful toward our being instructed in as the Word is how the man of God is fully furnished unto all good works ..the Works that GOD has foreordained that we should walk in which is THE WORD, our narrow way !

The ‘works ‘ are HIS works ….not our busy works….so then I appreciate your post very much.

I do not gain wisdom from secular counselors who base their methods on man’s desires . A marriage is something brought to pass as a man and a woman vow to GOD and one another before witnesses , God does not ordain nor bless any perversion of this kind of commitment.

What has not been ‘brought together ‘ by GOD is not blessed by GOD.

To ‘bring together’ speaks of when the two decide to choose one another and make that life long commitment …there is NO divorce by mankind that may break that covenant.

So again …man and secular law does not override what GOD has ordained.

Neither does man nor secular law change what GOD has ordained.

Man does not define what love is by his feelings and appetites and Man does not put assunder what GOD has ordained and joined.

The way we are instructed to live once we come to Christ is by HIS word , His ordained way , and that is JESUS CHRIST.

HOW to respond to such a sin as adultery has to be by HIS ordained wisdom which we are to search out.

It is very difficult in this day and time to know how to go forward but we must obey Him not man and not allow man’s changeable laws to determine our course.

Many feel that since they have suffered the adulterous acts of their spouse that they have to divorce or they ‘can’ divorce . That permissive course of action is indeed seen in scripture but if we really love the Lord and want to demonstrate faith do we ‘cut to the chase’ as it were and divorce? Some say so citing the way we are to separate ourselves from unbelievers and unrepentant …all the while forgiving and leaving the door open for repentance.

This is called ‘standing ‘ for one’s covenant marriage I believe.

Many are doing so , in sorrow , since those who have succumb to the weight of the consensus of the world have believed they have a ‘right’ to be ‘happy’ no matter what . Living life at the expense of one’s soul and other people’s lives is to live in iniquity. Lawlessness.

We are no longer “under the law ‘ but it is the law of SIN AND DEATH that we may live free from IF we are willing to do so.

We may be saved from the wrath to come through Jesus CHrist and believing in Him but for many who continue in the Gnostic ideology of what they do in the flesh has no particular effect upon their eternity , they seem to demonstrate a lack of understanding of what God’s love is .
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Living a life according to one’s desires and appitites will lead to sin,as the ten commandments set in stone what was written on the heart of the conscience of man from the beginning.

Thus all will be held accountable before Christ and after.

Roman’s chapter one makes this pretty evident.

To love GOD is to put HIM and HIS WORD first in every consideration.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

All of what LOVE IS is defined by the ten , summarized by the ten and really the FIRST . If someone will do that then I believe what you have shared here regarding learning how to recognize what GOD’S point of view is or worldview will be part of our maturing in our relationship with Him.
We begin to recognize that those thoughts which are in line with His Word are his ‘voice’ …the Holy Spirit ‘speaking ‘ to us and giving us guidance…”This is the way , walk ye in it’ …it will always be according to His Word and not at cross purposes but we MUST KNOW what HIS word says!

This has been a long time in coming to my understanding over the years as I also listened to hear what others who said they loved GOD would share …some were correct , other’s just sounded good , and some solicited my yearning for something l already liked and thought was godly by teaching what I liked was ‘good’ when later I learned it was harmful!

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Pro 7:1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

Pro 4:4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

So it is I am the slow learner but one thing I do …not give up …not get talked out of continuing in the Word of GOD ….

Jhn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

Coming to realize this was a big deal for me . I remember being led to believe that I did not HAVE the Holy Spirit and needed to have an ‘experience’ ! This led to many difficulties and bondage to submission to others .

Since I learned that the thoughts that came to mind which were scripture were actually the way that the Spirit of GOD ‘spoke ‘ to me and that the whole word of GOD is God’s VOICE in how HE teaches us by His spirit then I became free of the way others’ who seemed to have more authority were my teachers. Lifting up men is not useful and oftentimes is destructive . This is where the false teachers take advantage for their own agendas.

Learning to heed the Word of GOD and turning to Him , asking questions and knowing He will bring the answers to mind and through study of the Word has been a big key for me to become free from being a slave to other people .

I am thankful to have been learning I can speak directly to the Lord and He will bring to mind answers …I can access His wisdom without any other mediator other than my Lord Jesus and He will continue to teach me

I can listen or read other people’s sharing and not take there word as gospel but I have been learning to be reminded or find out from the study of the Word what is truth or error in all that I have brought across my path.

I also have been becoming equipped through applying the Word in all situations what is true in many difficult situations.

I am thankful that GOD is not unfaithful to do all that He has promised in terms of maturing those who are willing to keep on going after Him despite stumbling and fumblings. We need not condemn ourselves for where we have been deceived. In truth we are born into a deceitful world that is set before us from childhood as truth when it is not .

All the more needed for parents to learn from the Lord the scriptures and teach them to their children. The devil , the enemy of our souls is intent to gain the teaching of children now younger and younger , taking over what GOD ordained father’s to do . The ongoing programming of young minds has ‘rewarded’ our society with a bitter crop of those who are more and more only concerned with getting what they ‘need’ in terms of feelings, lusts and lives lived independently without any accountability to anyone.

The laws of the land have turned away from GOD and serve the creature and the lusts of the flesh more and more to the very destruction of the soul and soon the bodies surrendered to the use of demons preparing for their Anti Christ ‘king’ .

Believers are learning to realize the way this works that we might continue to have hope in Christ and all He has promised and to live by faith which HE provides and strengthens as we obey Him.

I do think your post encouraging us to ask about things in our path that we are brought to pay attention to are to be realized as useful for us to learn about things GOD would have us take note of and learn from HIs perspective about their true nature and effects.

I have seen and learned many times about truth of GOD world view by way of having had something bring my attention to study of something in the Word .

I am thankful to God for this important truth for us as we learn to walk along trusting what GOD has had recorded in scripture for us to also learn from in the present life we are living through this world.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after the Spirit.

Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Isa 38:9 ¶ The writing of Hezekiah king of Judah, when he had been sick, and was recovered of his sickness:
Isa 38:16 O Lord, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit: so wilt thou recover me, and make me to live.

Isa 38:19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day:

the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

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Cynthia July 27, 2013 at 4:46 pm

Pastor Jack . . . This is a great article! I have been feeling God’s call on my life and praying that God reveal how I can best serve Him and this article helped a lot! You mentioned that there were resources to determine a person’s gifts or strengths . . . Where can I find those resources?

I have read a couple of your articles, found a link to your archive and plan to read many more! Your words and teachings have God’s Truth in them. Do you have a resource for a strong Bible-based forum for Christian discussion? I want to be certain I am getting God-breathed responses to my questions.

I know many other Christians are feeling His call more than ever. He is prompting me to study, dive into His Word, learn from others that are His teachers and spend more quality time with Him. I am waiting on His leading and for Him to point the way. I will do whatever He wants me to do, go where ever He wants me to go — in His name, for His glory.

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Jack Wellman July 27, 2013 at 5:00 pm

Hello Cynthia. Thank you for your encouragement and I am thrilled that you want to grow and to also find out what your gifts are to strengthen and serve the Church of Jesus Christ. Here are a couple of links that allow you to take a test to find out where your gifts or strengths are at:

Here is a test for adults but this website also have ones for youth too but I perceive you are an adult just from the maturity you wrote with:

http://www.spiritualgiftstest.com/test/adult

Here is another that is excellent at:

http://buildingchurch.net/g2s-i.htm

Perhaps you can take both and average the scores.

As for having a forum or website that allows discussions for Christians to grow, there are several but some problems occur where readers differ and sometimes argue over non-essentials (to salvation) issues that are needless to debate. What I sense you want is to grow and many churches have Sunday school programs (such as the church I am under-shepherd of) that allow the class to have input (which we do). Others have Sunday night services that are dedicated to a more intensive Bible Study and still others have Weds. night studies of the same magnitude. There are many Christian forums but you will find that frequently they are taking about issues that do not have to do with doctrine but about personal beliefs in grey areas that sometimes lead into wrangling which the Bible commands Christians not to do. Please note that our website allows comments on all of the articles and you can ask or comment with other readers and even the authors of these articles and to me, it is one of the greatest tools for growth. The vast majority of our readers and commentators who reply with comments have so much to add that I grow too in the process. I hope this helps. We have over 300 articles about various topics. You can type in a key word or question at the top of the webpage Homepage where it says “Questions? Need Answers? Ask Us.” and type into the search box. Happy hunting and growing in grace and knowledge Cynthia.

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Cynthia July 27, 2013 at 6:50 pm

Thank you! I took both tests and found that Faith was very strong on both. I also had a strong aptitude for Mercy on both. Is it possible through study, prayer and training to strengthen a particular gift? Or does the Spirit fill your cup up only so much? There is an area in which I feel I have been receiving a calling and yet I didn’t score high in that category. I want to follow God’s Will and do what He wants me to do. I am earnestly seeking.

For clarification, I am an adult (54 years) and have actually been a Christian for about 40 years now. A falling down, mess of a Christian at times, but one with a testimony! God if faithful.

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Cynthia July 27, 2013 at 6:51 pm

Thank you! I took both tests and found that Faith was very strong on both. I also had a strong aptitude for Mercy on both. Is it possible through study, prayer and training to strengthen a particular gift? Or does the Spirit fill your cup up only so much? There is an area in which I feel I have been receiving a calling and yet I didn’t score high in that category. I want to follow God’s Will and do what He wants me to do. I am earnestly seeking.

For clarification, I am an adult (54 years) and have actually been a Christian for about 40 years now. A falling down, mess of a Christian at times, but one with a testimony! God is faithful.

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Jack Wellman July 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Thank you Cynthia. I describe myself to the church as a train wreck but God can never fix us until we are first broken. By the way we can increase our faith and that is covered by this link below called “How to Increase Your Faith.” Basically, you can hear preaching and read the Bible to increase it but there is more to it than these two important things.

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/how-to-increase-your-faith/

Also, I believe that if you feel called into something, like for example visitation (which is part of mercy) by visiting hospitals and nursing homes, you will find whether you really feel passionate about it or not by just diving into it. Many times people discover, no, this is not for me but that’s fine. No harm. If you feel passionate about something, that is almost always an indication that you are called to that for God gives us a passion for something we are likely gifted in. I regularly visit our local nursing home and these residents are so lonely. 70% (7 in 10) never have any visitors and that is a gift of mercy. Same for hospital.

Don’t let a low score tell you that you are not being called into this. These tests were written by humans and not inspired by God and so just use them for a guide only. Other Christians will sometimes either confirm your calling in such an area and other times you will feel complete peace or joy about it. Let that decide and no test score alone. The Spirit never errs…but tests (and yes, I do too) are not inspired by God. Hope this helps.

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jerry July 28, 2013 at 10:21 am

Brother Jack once again I agree with what you are teaching the only thing we differ on is I beleave tongues are still in the church today . keep up the good teaching . Hurry up and write some more articles im enjoying reading them I share them on my facebook many times to other Christians and unsaved friends .

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Cynthia July 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm

Greetings, Brother Jerry. I am also enjoying Pastor Jack’s teachings!

I just wanted to share what I have found out on tongues and how the Spirit, I felt, led me to a definitive answer.

I have struggled with this question, literally, for years — at least 30, I would say. It began with an experience that occurred when I was friends with a young man who was Charismatic and was, he, himself, very charismatic! He introduced me to the concept of speaking in tongues. He did it himself and encouraged me to do so as well. As I look back on it, I felt like he PRESSURED me to speak in tongues, making me feel like I was missing something if I didn’t. It made me feel inadequate as a Christian and I so wanted to be fulfilled by everything the Spirit had to offer, yet, somehow, I could just not muster a syllable. Then one evening, we had a small prayer group of mostly his friends that I had become acquainted with and they laid hands on me. I opened my mouth and out spilled this gobbledy-gook of words that I knew in my heart I was just making up so that I could prove to them that I had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I felt shame, not joy. I continued to fake it, questioning the depth of my faith and why the Spirit was not giving me this gift.

I kept up the charade until one day we arrived at someone’s home for a prayer meeting. A place I’d never been. As we walked into the front door, we were met with loud praying by the large group that was in the front room — they were all chanting and uttering what seemed to be other languages or random syllables. The Holy Spirit in me resisted and wanted me out of there. It was as though a huge red flag was being waved and I asked my friend if we could leave. We walked right back out the door.

My friendship with him dissolved soon thereafter. I no longer felt like this was a teaching I could follow — the Holy Spirit led me away from it. Over the years, I continued to ask questions from time to time of people who I considered filled with the Spirit of God. Time and again, I would receive confirmation that tongues was an edification for the person, not God, and served no valid purpose in the way it is practiced by various Pentecostal and Charismatic churches. I also would encounter those that spoke in tongues. I would usually not react adversely in any way or judge that person, but I still did not feel at peace with it. Now, let me clarify that with the statement that I believe if God the Spirit DID have a purpose that glorified Him and not the speaker, absolutely, He could bestow such a gift upon him — as He WILLS and for His glory. Are there people that speak in tongues today? I’m sure there are. Does the language always come from God? Hmmm, now that’s a good question and one that is between God and the person doing the speaking.

Over the years, I maintained a contact with this old Charismatic friend of mine. He is a pastor now, an author, a teacher, a mentor, a counselor and has a ministry in Africa. I have an Agape love for him. Regardless of our different beliefs in speaking in tongues — and he still does — he is a brother in Christ.

Yesterday, the question came up again for me. Even though I had sought answers and felt that I had found them, I asked God once more to show me the truth. I opened my Bible and went where God led me. 1 Corinthians 12 is Paul talking about all the spiritual gifts. He goes into great detail and spends a little extra time talking about the gift of tongues. He emphasizes that all are an important part of the Body of Christ but goes on to say that not all Spirit-filled Christians possess ALL the gifts but the Spirit apportions them as is the Will of God. Now, in 1 Corinthians 14 Paul goes into more detail about tongues. He is actually warning the Corinthians to NOT use the gift of tongues in a manner that would hinder the unbeliever.

During the days of Pentecost, the Spirit caused God’s disciples to speak in tongues so they could bear witness to Jesus not just by their testimony but in their God-given power to present it in the listener’s very own language. A miraculous event! The act glorified God and brought many to a believing faith in Jesus. It was also a sign in those early days of the ministry, so that the disciples would be assured that their message and the subsequent embodiment of the Holy Spirit was taking place. Furthermore, it was a miraculous sign to the unbelievers of God’s mighty power. Paul was concerned that this gift was being abused and misunderstood and emphasizes that “in church, I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, then ten thousand words in a tongue.” 1 COR 14:19.

So, no sooner had I thanked God for finally giving me clear answers in His Word, then my Charismatic friend sends me a message. This led to an online discussion and finally a phone call conversation on the subject of tongues. He proceeded to lead me through scriptures that said again and again that there would be outward signs of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Most of the scriptures where he led me were the same exact ones I had just read under the Spirit’s guidance.

One new one he shared was Acts 10:45, 46 in which Cornelius (a gentile) and his household received the Holy Spirit and burst out speaking in tongues. But why? This was a sign to Peter that the Holy Spirit was also for gentiles. He got the message. Now, we don’t need to continue getting that message, we get it, too. Jesus is for ALL. Every time someone is saved we are taught in God’s Word to recognize the fruits of the Spirit and we don’t need these miraculous signs to know that God is at work. And in my humble opinion, it is not a sound teaching of God’s to try and force people to speak in tongues to PROVE that they have received the Holy Spirit and make them feel less of a Christian if they don’t.

I admitted to my friend that I had faked it all those years ago. I stood on the message that God had given me that I did not have to speak in tongues to know that the Spirit is alive and working in me. I already know it. And as far as other spiritual gifts? Yes, I have them. Several. But, tongues is not one of them. God has blessed me, protected me (often from myself) and humbled me over the years. I have experienced the presence of the Spirit for over 40 years.

So, for what it’s worth, this is God’s teaching to me by His Word on the matter. My question is why do those that speak in tongues do so? Many that practice it say it is a “prayer” language that the Spirit prays as intercessory to God. Romans 8:26,27 God shows us that we don’t have to speak ANY language for the Spirit to intercede for us. God knows ALL languages and we don’t have to speak in any language but the one we understand in our minds and when our words cannot reach the level of His Righteousness, the Spirit intercedes, not with tongues, but with “groanings too deep for words.”

en Agape, Cynthia

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Jack Wellman July 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm

Well stated Cynthia. Truly, the gifts are important but I don’t think the gifts, as some say, are evidence of the Holy Spirit’s indwelling. Some say it is THE evidence by the real fruit is evidence to me and that is the fruit of the Holy Spirit revealed in Galatians 5 and Jesus said you shall know them by their fruits, not by their gifts and by their love for one another and Jesus said in John that “by this (love) all men will know)” and He never indicated the evidence was by gifts but by the fruits of the Spirit. John 15 I believe it is that we can do nothing of ourselves but if we abide in His Word and He abides in us, then we will produce fruit revealing that we are His and He is ours. Thanks for such a deep and revealing comment.

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Cynthia July 28, 2013 at 8:44 pm

I agree, Pastor Jack. A number of years ago, I’d say about 15, I was in a transitory time in my life and seeking answers from God. I had reached a point of asking the big WHY? Why are we here, why did you make me, what am I missing? I had been feeling distressed and anxious about my life for a while. One day, I cried out to Him, in my car, and clearly, as if just a whisper, I heard “It’s the love.” Wow. Of course. It’s like something you know, just like you know you have a nose on your face and yet you don’t really notice it all that much in the mirror unless it has a zit on it. In front of me the whole time, interwoven in my life and yet for the first time I really understood that God IS love, God created us because He loved us and He wants us to love Him. He never forces anyone though. Before that, I had a hard time understanding God’s love and how He could possibly love a sinner like me. That was a break through moment in my faith walk. It was a deeper understanding of the nature of our loving God and every day I just keep falling deeper in love with Him. He’s amazing.

It was at that moment that I also understood the vitality of our relationships with one another, our family, our friends, and the love of our brothers and sisters in Christ as well as all humanity. Didn’t God offer the gift of Grace to ALL people? Everything in this world will one day be returned to dust or torn down to its foundations and the only thing that goes from this world into the heavenly realm is our spirits and what accompanies them is love — our love for each other, our love for God and God’s love for us. Nothing. Else. Matters.

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jerry July 28, 2013 at 7:10 pm

Greetings Cynthia thank you for your reply let me start by saying tho I do speak in tongues some times it is not a massage with interpatation I find that when I am prazeing god or praying some times the holy spirit moves on me and I may utter words not in English but they allways help me to give god the glory and then I will keep prazeing and praying in English yes if we pray in tongues or English or any learned language god hears his children because he hears our heart you do not have to speak in tongues to be saved and go to heaven I find that they do edify me as I feel gods spirit moving in me and upon me reasureing me . I will pray in the spirit ( tongues ) and I will pray with my understanding ( English ) I have never tried to fake tongues in any way . when I was kneeling in a alter praying one night never had spoke in tongues before the Holy spirit moved upon me and I started speaking in tongues . I don,t speak in tongues all the time I pray in English most of the time . The Holy spirit is a gift from the father and Jesus to every born again child of god . The gifts of the spirit are gifts from him to the church . Peter said you shall receive the gift of the Holy spirit if you repent and are babtized . the spirit gives the gifts to each person as he wills .but sometimes I don,t understand why people beleave that the Holy Spirit still gives the other gifts to people but they have a hard time beleaving that he give tongues to people today . lets keep preaching Jesus and him crusafied and try to get all the lost souls into the fold we can time is running out .

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Jack Wellman July 28, 2013 at 7:34 pm

Thank you Jerry for your comment. You said, ” I don,t understand why people beleave that the Holy Spirit still gives the other gifts to people but they have a hard time beleaving that he give tongues to people today” but this is not true. Do all speak in tongues? Paul said that not everyone has every gift and so no, not all speak in tongues, and your experience you gave can not be more important than the Word of God. Isn’t this what Cynthia said? We can both be believers and disagree about tongues, yes, but to say that ” people have a hard time beleaving that he give tongues to people today” is not meaning that all have all gifts. If all were the eye, then how could the Body of Christ, the church, walk in faith? If all were a hand, then where could the Body go without an eye? Make sense? We must not make it necessary that all speak in tongues for that is not what the Bible teaches and I don’t want to create confusion to those who read this article and the readers comments. I am sorry, perhaps I have misunderstood your comment and if so, I apologize (won’t be the first, or the last time! LOL). Thanks fellow saint.

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jerry July 28, 2013 at 8:36 pm

Brother Jack I didn,t mean to sound like I was saying that a person has all the gifts at one time and what I ment when I said that people have a hard time beleaving that god gives tongues today is there are so many people saying they are not for us today but they say the other gifts are for us today it seems they beleave in the other gifts but not in tongues . I was not meaning it was necessary that all should speak in tongues but many people don,t want any thing to do with tongues even tho they are a gift of the spirit . would that not be quenching or resisting the spirit if he wanted to give that gift to some one and they didn,t want any thing to do with tongues . no not all have the gift of tongues . not all have the other gifts but the spirit gives the gifts to who he wants too but with the population as big as it is a million people may have the same gift another million may have a different gift but all the gifts are for the church to have .

Cynthia July 28, 2013 at 8:13 pm

Hi Jerry, Thank you for your great response. I have no doubt that the Spirit moves you in your prayer to speak in tongues. Paul said he spoke in tongues more than all of them. I just don’t happen to have that gift. I also don’t think that I have a gift of miracles either. I have some other gifts that are very strong, however, and I am prayerfully seeking His will. That is not to say that at some point God might bestow a gift of tongues upon me if it was His will and was for His glory. I read Pastor Jack’s response as well and will restate that not all people have all gifts. Paul was very clear about that point. A day may come when God needs me to speak to someone whose language I don’t know, I have no doubt that He would use me as He needed me and I would speak in tongues, as I am His willing vessel.

It’s true that time is getting short and people are searching for Truth. Jesus is the only Truth. As long as we agree on that, brother, we agree.

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jerry July 28, 2013 at 8:40 pm

I Agree Cynthia thank you .

DanielInOhio September 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm

Cynthia,
I think that you are on the right track with the topic of speaking in tongues. Those who babble like your friends are not speaking in tongues. If they were then there were be people listening who spoke a different language than theirs and those people would understand them. That it what took place on Pentecost. The reason for that gift was that there were people assembled from many areas and different languages. To be honest I have never met nor heard of anyone speaking in tongues. It is not needed in the current world in most situations. There may be a time in the future when it will again be a more common gift. Today we have many people who can translate English and many who already speak or understand English around the world. Just my 2 cents worth. Take care.

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Jack Wellman September 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Amen Cynthia. This is well said and is an accurate comment reflective of what the Bible actually teaches. I appreciate your coming here. Thank you.

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Jack Wellman July 28, 2013 at 2:24 pm

Thanks Jerry. I love the grace and humility you have my friend. You wanting to share the gospel is wonderful because only 1 in 20 believers have ever led more than one person to faith in Christ. That is not good but I see you have a passion for the Great Commission. Your own personal testimony is a great way to do so. No one, as you say, can dispute this because it is objective testimony to the work of God in your life.

Here are a couple of links that may help you, particularly if you do street evangelism or door to door:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/how-to-evangelize-door-to-door-seven-helpful-tips/

but this link below may be the most important and effective of all and is called “Who Goes to Heaven? Do Good People Go?” at:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/who-goes-to-heaven-do-good-people-go-to-heaven/

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Jack Wellman July 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm

Jerry, I so covet humble, contrite Christians like you and again, I must say I am so impressed by the evidence of the Holy Spirit in you my friend. Again, I misunderstood (Told ya it wouldn’t be the last! LOL). I so much appreciate and thank God that there are still believers like you and Cynthia that are desiring to bring glory to God and Jesus Christ specifically and that there are such men and women of faith like you two…you inspire me, encourage me, and build me up by such words. Thank you.

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Cat July 29, 2013 at 2:22 am

Hi Jerry…Okay if I am not misunderstanding what you are asking, wanting to know why so many Christians are against the modern practice of tongue while they easily accept the other gifts of the spirit, the simplest answer is that the time for tongues as a gift benefiting the church has past with pentecost. As Pastor Jack said many time before, this was a signs gift given to glorify God and prove Christ deity! Just like so many big in your face miracles like the feeding of the loaves and fish. These things proved to the Jews and the gentiles that Christ was the son of God. It was also necessary for the spreading of the word and the formation of the new church. This is why it was never to be used in public without an interpreter…It was so that foreigners could understand what was being preached and to provide prophesy. The reason we do not practice it today is because it is simply not needed in the modern church. The time of prophesy has ended and we are in the time of the fulfillment of prophesy for the coming of the end times. We can preach in any language needed either because we have ministers of all nationalities and in most every country, or we can use interpreters. Miracles do still happen and so they are still a valid church gift of the Spirit but even those have changed…We have miracles happen all around us if we open our eyes and accept God, we can see them. However we no longer need the parting of seas,etc. We don’t need big signs to say see God is real…believe! The bible tells us that once the church was established and Christ had returned to his father, we are to believe by faith, not signs. When big churches tell people they must speak in tongues to show salvation, that is not biblical teaching. Also the fact they have no interpreters is not biblical. Finally the fact that many times they are in a frenzy and babbling in no actual language is not biblical, not of God, and sometimes possibly of the enemy not God! God is never the Lord of confusion! With that said, the bible says if it is done in private ( such as in your own Prayer life), because it can not be translated, it is to remain between you and God! I won’t say it could not happen in private but than that makes it a personnel experience and therefore not a gift of the Spirit…Gift of the spirit are not for personnel edification! So as long as this is not happening in church without proper interpretation, than that is between you and God. The other gift that are not signs gifts are still in use/effect today because they have a place in the edification of the whole church. I am sure that if you have tongues as a private gift, you still have one or two more gifts that fall into the catagory of Gifts of the Spirit which are still needed and used validly within the church today! However, the most important gift should be seen within all believers and that is thee most important Fruit of the Spirit…Charity/Love…That which we are all to be known by!

God Bless you Jerry…Cat

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jerry July 30, 2013 at 8:05 pm

Greetings cat If you could please give me the scriptures that says that the time of tongues have passed and we don,t need them in the modern day church . Im not writeing this to sound mean but in love Im the type of a person that has to have bible proof . In acts chp 2 when they received the Holy Spirit peter said this is what the prophet joel said would come to pass in the last days so we must assume the last days started back then but he goes on to mention in the 20th verse all the way up to the great and notable day of the lord the second comeing of the lord so if I am understanding him he is saying he will pour his spirit out upon all flesh up until that time .in verse 33 this is what you now see and hear if joels prophesy started there at pentacost and reaches all the way till the lord comes back and that’s what they were seeing and hearing then they still should be seeing and hearing today joels prophesy . Im just a country man ive not went to a bible college and I am still in search of answers from the word of god so please don,t misunderstand what I have written it is in love and I am nothing and Jesus and his word is every thing .

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Jack Wellman July 30, 2013 at 8:29 pm

Maybe I can help Jerry. No one was more charismatic than Paul, yet the Lord revealed to him that those sign gifts were going to cease:

“whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away” (1 Cor. 13:8).

In 1 Corinthians 13:8 Paul made an interesting, almost startling, statement: “Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.” In the expression “love never fails,” the Greek word translated “fails” means “to decay” or “to be abolished.” Paul was not saying that love is invincible or that it cannot be rejected. He was saying that love is eternal—that it will be applicable forever and will never be passé. Tongues, however, “will cease.” The Greek verb used in 1 Corinthians 13:8 means “to cease permanently,” and implies that when tongues ceased, they would never start up again.

What biblical or theological evidence is there that tongues have ceased? First, the gift of tongues was a miraculous, revelatory gift, and the age of miracles and revelation ended with the apostles. The last recorded miracles in the New Testament occurred around A.D. 58, with the healings on the island of Malta (Acts 28:7-10). From A.D. 58 to 96, when John finished the book of Revelation, no miracle is recorded. Miracle gifts like tongues and healing are mentioned only in 1 Corinthians, an early epistle. Two later epistles, Ephesians and Romans, both discuss gifts of the Spirit at length—but no mention is made of the miraculous gifts.

Here Paul writes of the gift of tongues, the gift of prophecy and the gift of knowledge (see 1 Cor. 13:1-2) and states that the Lord Jesus had revealed to him (1 Cor. 11:23; 15:3; Gal. 1:11,12) that a time was coming when these sign gifts were going to cease to operate.

When you turn to the prison epistles, the four letters written shortly after the end of the Book of Acts, while Paul was a prisoner in Rome—Ephesians, Colossians, Philemon and Philippians…and we find that there is not one word about tongues, or the gift of healing. Even where we might have expected Paul to write of tongues in the passage about being “filled with the Spirit” in Ephesians 5:17, he has nothing to say about tongues. And as for the gift of healing, we read of a co-worker of Paul’s, Epaphroditus, who fell seriously ill during this time (Phil. 2:25-30) and Paul no longer had the gift of healing, and was no longer able to heal as he did only a few years earlier in Acts 28:9. The sign gifts were no longer operating at the time that Paul wrote the Prison Epistles.

It is clear that the gift of healing has ceased because, as in Philippians, Paul was no longer able to heal, even his co-workers. Timothy was suffering stomach problems and frequent infirmities (1 Tim. 5:23) and Paul can’t heal him, doesn’t recommend that he go to a healer in the church, doesn’t send a prayer cloth or a bottle of anointing oil (remember the miracles of some 8 years earlier in Acts 19:11-12).

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 13:8-12—
“Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

The most powerful use of the tongue today is to tell others about their sin and their need for a Savior, right? Also to edify and encourage one another.

jerry July 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm

That gives me a lot to study on . thank you

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Jack Wellman July 30, 2013 at 8:51 pm

Thank you Jerry…you remind me of the Bereans…and I myself am often challenged to dig deeper myself.

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Jerry August 4, 2013 at 12:54 am

Hello brother jack as I haved studied on this subject I was tossed to and fro trying to have piece in my heart and mind . but I am still where I was at the beginning that tongues did not stop when the deciples and paul died . In ad 150 Justin martyr made this statement that there were men and woman among them who possess the gifts of the spirit of god for the propetical gifts remain with us even to this present day . At the end of the second century Irenaus made this statement . In like manner we all so hear many brethren in the church who possess prophetic gifts and who through the spirit speak all kind of languages . In 400 ad Augustine made this statement after saying the gifts disappeared later changed his mind and wrote we still do what the apostles did when they laid hands on the samartians and called down the holy spirit on them in the laying on of hands it is expected that the converts should speak with new tongues . This was after the bible was canonized . But doesn,t the bible teach of a former rain and a latter rain if im understanding that right its talking about an out pouring of the holy spirit . so we have to come to this conclusion the tongues that the churches speak in today are eather false or they are very true . They are of god or there not of god . In my heart I have piece to say I beleave they are from god- tho I know that some of them can be faked . well it,s time to move on to a different subject thank you brother jack for letting me post on your site .

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Jack Wellman August 4, 2013 at 9:50 am

Thank you Jerry…yes, it is time to move on as we can agree to disagree and not be disagreeable as you have not been and you are not or have been disagreeable and I thank you for that. Since not all, even in the early church, Paul wrote that not all speak with tongues, then clearly Augustine was wrong and certainly I must believe what is in the Bible over these early church fathers.

What source did you find to say that these men talked about tongues as necessary? I have never found these sources. You said that they called down the Holy Spirit on them…and it is EXPECTED that the converts should speak in new tongues but the word tongues in the New Testament is Greek for “languages.” Even so, I emphasize the fruits of the Spirit as evidence, as Jesus said you will know them by their love and by their fruits (John 15) and not by their gifts. That is the real evidence of conversion, right? We can therefore move on to something else my friend.

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Jerry August 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm

Im the type of person when I wrong I will admit it .When I started checking out my sorce I found it not exactly like he said . I did find some of the things he said but I still have not found what he said Augustine said but if he did say that in 400 ad it doesn,t answer the question why was the gifts seem to be so silent for hundreds of years until the late 1800 or early 1900 and then make an appearing again . I am asking the holy spirit to give me the answers to the questions I have in my mind and heart and I beleave the bible has an answer to every question we just have to dig for it . yes brother jack we have to take the bible over what any man says its the absolute truth given to us from god and the final authority for every thing . May the lord Jesus Bless you .

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Jack Wellman August 4, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Amen my brother. Oh that more Christians, me included, would have the humility that you are endowed with by the Holy Spirit and for which I thank God for you sir.

shirley August 6, 2013 at 6:28 pm

Thank you for your article , I don’t agree with you when you said healing is of the new testament. In a way you’re saying that the God that worked with the apostles in the new testament is not the same working with us today when the Word of God clearly tells us he’s the same yesterday,today and forever. And since these is the same God, what he did yesterday he can also do today and forever. Please let’s stop limiting our God we put him in a box and he’s bigger than a box. Healing is for our time just like it was in the old and new testament IT IS THE SAME TODAY. HE IS THE SAME GOD.

Thanks for your time

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Jack Wellman August 6, 2013 at 6:36 pm

Thank you Shirley for your comment. I am not saying in this article that healings still do not occur but the days of just having a shadow passed over someone would heal them. Who do you know that can heal everyone in every instance like the apostles could? If so, they should empty the hospitals or children’s cancer wards. That is my point. God can heal anyone He wants and He can use anyone He wants but He never promises to heal everyone at every time, everywhere. God alone heals. It is not the person who heals but God who enables those to pray for or lay on hands for SOME to be healed but certainly not all. I am not limiting God or putting Him in a box. If you know someone who has the gift of healing, then get a camera, head to the hospitals and children’s cancer wards and empty them…and then I will believe. God does still heal yes, but not everyone. That was the same then, and yesterday, remember Paul prayed three times and was never healed.

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Erick Day September 15, 2013 at 10:26 pm

Hey Jack!!

Its been a while. My wife and I are doing so great! I pray all is well with you! I have a question about tongues. Is my perception of tongues correct, in that, it would only be used (by God through the gifted person) in a crowd of which the gifted person does not natively speak their language? I do not see how we can benefit from going into a church where all speak English, and yet, people are speaking a jibberish type language, with and without translation. I love your write up on the gifts. Very detailed. My wife and I are studying it right now.

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Jack Wellman September 16, 2013 at 12:43 pm

Erick it is so awesome my friend to hear from you again….so thrilling to know that you are both doing great. Thank you Jesus and to Him be the glory.

I do agree that services that do not focus on Bible preaching about Jesus and being clearly understood to me is worthless. I could just as well go to services at the Tower of Babel and make more sense of it. Good point you made brother.

You made my day. There is hope for others and for you Erick, I thank my God for you sir.

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ButterflyDove September 17, 2013 at 12:26 am

I was saved at the age of 4 and yearned to receive the gift of speaking in tongues since I was around 12. I would ask God for it, but He had His own timing for me to receive the gift. I received it in the beginning of huge trials I’ve been going through for the past 2 years (I’m now 30–finances, buying a home that the inspector lied about and the home was unhealthy to live in, in turn creating marital struggles, and dealing with severe depression in my spouse and the way he treats me because of his depression). I know it has different uses, but I feel God gave it to me in order to pray and speak to Him about what I’m going through. I definitely run out of things to say and when I’ve run out of words, I begin speaking in tongues—I’ve found that when I have spoke in tongues it’s always been when I’ve hit my breaking point in my situations and I’m crying out in desperation to the Lord. Many times I will pray in tongues for awhile and then it turns into beautiful worship songs. As it goes on my tears and crying calm down and I feel more and more calm and at peace. It’s been a real blessing and I’m trying to learn more and more about uses, but for now its been a way for God to help me through these hardships and hurt.

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David September 26, 2013 at 11:30 am

I came across your article on the gifts of the Spirit. It was an interesting article. It appears to me that you are looking through a glass darkly and trying to explain the gifts of the Spirit in a way that we can understand naturally. They are GIFTS of the Holy Spirit, not natural abilities that even non believers could possess.
I find your take on the gifts such as tongues ceasing intriguing. 1 Corinthians 13 says when that which is perfect has come… He is coming soon! His name is the name that is above every name: Jesus. Now we look through a glass darkly, then face to face.

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Lynn October 1, 2013 at 8:22 am

Very disappointed that my 13 yo used this website to help her prepare for a bible study. To be frank, to start off your comments on healing on a negative, cynical and unwise comment about fraudulent healing is totally unnecessary and even dangerous.

God heals people today.

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Jack Wellman October 1, 2013 at 9:30 am

Thank you Lynn. Where did I say that God does not heal people today? This is dangerous. God refused to heal Paul after 3 prayers for this but God said my grace is sufficient for you. Do you believe that God heals everyone that prays for healing? What is your thought. Your comments are negative to be frank calling such “fraudulent healing it totally dangerous”. Wow. I am sorry you are so angry because I never said that God doesn’t heal anymore but many are false “miracle” healers that have been exposed. Do you believe God heals everyone in every circumstance?

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lynn October 2, 2013 at 5:57 pm

Classic response.

1. I did not say I was angry. Classic defensive position to turn what I say into I must have been “so angry”. If you publish material on the web purporting to be representing the answers to what Christians want to know, then you have to be up for a bit of criticism, which these comments are full of, asking you to moderate or reconsider some of what you write. Or hold a position of humility that allows that there could be other views. This is why I love books like Bielby’s “The Nature of the Atonement – Four Views”, or Grudem’s “Are Miraculous Gifts For Today?- Four Views”.

You could easily have said ” I have my doubts but” or “my position is but others say……” as I would when I teach.

2. We don’t know that Paul’s thorn in his side was a physical condition requiring healing, so your argument that God did not heal him falls flat at this point. Many commentators don’t think it was this at all, but something connected to the real, live spiritual warfare he was facing, or a personality trait of his.

3. I believe, as I am sure you do, that Scripture teaches us about the “now” and the “not yet” of the Kingdom of God, as our Jewish counterparts were taught, and therefore until Jesus returns, as you know, not everyone we pray for to be healed is healed IN OUR TIMELINE of experience. Does this mean we should not ask? Does this not mean that we are not to be expectant, obedient? Does this not mean we should start with the small (headaches, aches) and build into our lives an expectation that he is interested in our illnesses before we visit drugstores or look in our well-stocked medicine cabinets rather than knocking hard on his door when serious illnesses draw near?

4. As I said, no need to be “sorry that I am angry” (are you?) because I am not angry and it is a defensive response that causes you to introduce that word, I am disappointed with what I stated earlier – this is not a website for someone to look at who wants to investigate the big picture of what the living God is doing in the world today.

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lynn October 2, 2013 at 6:11 pm

..and important PS

I am not advocating people stop taking their medication. I never do, if someone comes to me saying they have been healed; I always advocate that they consult their doctor for confirmation. My point about seeking God in the small is that in the West we defer to medication for the little things BEFORE prayer, whereas believers in less developed parts of the world see regular and sustained physical healing because their point of reference if often God first.

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Jack Wellman October 2, 2013 at 7:16 pm

Thank you Lynn. All of your points are well taken and it does me no harm, indeed good, to take a slice of humble pie. I am sorry and I do thank you.

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Kris October 3, 2013 at 12:18 am

WOW…Thought Jack was actually very humble in his responses here .

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Jack Wellman October 3, 2013 at 8:58 am

Thank you so much Kris. I tell myself that I must never be above reproach and that Lynn made points that I took to heart. I am still a work in progress, (that’s putting it mildly!) but I do appreciate your encouragement Kris. May God richly bless you for you have a gift of mercy it appears.

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Kris October 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm

Your replies are a great testimony to me of grace as you endeavor to set what the Word says before the reader for consideration. I know that with so many ‘teachers’ that gather a following in the name of Jesus that there are many who have a tenderness and favor toward what is taught as they are convinced of that perspective being truth. I think it is great that people love the teacher they have but there is a need for awareness that we MUST be convinced by what Scripture says rather than leaning upon our own UNDERSTANDING.

Understanding grows more godly by study and living what we learn from scripture than from just selecting our favorite teacher or doctrine.

As we may have learned not everything we ‘feel’ is ‘right ‘ actually may turn out to be supported by a WHOLE context of the scriptures . SO there is room for growth as you point out.

Oppositions that become fired up by emotion in defense rather then a continued attitude of looking into the subject again and again “to see if it is so ‘ seems to be a more worthwhile position to take.

There are a lot of perspectives today which take an idea and go looking for scripture to support it rather than a concern to learn what the scriptures from the whole standpoint will reveal.

Those who are prone to cast disparaging remarks upon your efforts may eventually turn about and regret harsh words that lead nowhere but a ditch.

Keep on offering what you are learning as you contend for the truth in your own life and desire to ‘give what you have been given” in your own walk after our Lord who loved us .

Your risking such responses is a worthy effort .Treasure in heaven.

Hugs!

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Kris October 3, 2013 at 1:55 pm

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Being careful what we ask for….

Luke 12:48 b For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Gifts and abilities that are from the Lord are also intended for the edifying of the body …many wrestle over the procuring of ‘gifts’ but the resulting hierarchy begs the question …For what purpose? for consumption or attracting attention and adoration of self? or does it draw more devotion and glory to GOD?

What we often observe on the platforms of those who display ‘gifts’ seems to belie the source as questionable….

1 Timothy 6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

The whole chapter actually is worthy to consider here.

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Jack Wellman October 3, 2013 at 7:49 pm

Kris…it seems that your words always come as a fresh rain in a time of doubt. I still know that I have so very far to come and I am never going to have room for growth while still on this earth. You are the Barnabas-type if ever there was one and an encouragement which I believe is so desperately needed in the church, yes even in the unsaved world, today and is in such short supply yet in great demand. Please allow me to covet your friendship and that of your support and so I pray to God to send such godly believers of faith like you in our church which I am the under-shepherd of and where my church is so too dying of thirst and hunger in a spiritually starved world.

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Kris October 3, 2013 at 11:54 pm

How you glorify the Lord with your speech and dedication to growing in the knowledge and faith we share. What a blessing…!!!!

1 Cor 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

That is YOU all over bro!……and all who love His appearing !

Pastor John October 5, 2013 at 8:51 am

There are thousands if not a million brothers who speak in an unknown language myself included who also have experienced miracles and or healing. I have been delivered from a sleeping disorder I use to have a machine to breath or I would die now the machine sits in a drawer for the the last few years.
Your understanding of the gifts and the understanding of apostles are incorrect and make the body weak. We have the same Holy Spirit as the first brothers and God does not change He said we would do greater works not less and we need His gifts and power today more than ever before. May the Lord help you interpret His word correctly
God Bless, PJ

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Mr A Cotton November 19, 2013 at 2:02 pm

The Holy Spirit He is the One that is keeping me going.
God He is hard to understand sometimes(Mystery)
Jesus is the one you can make sense of because He was a Man(Mystery).
The Holy Spirit was responsible for me being a born again Christian. There was a lot of talk concerning Tongue`s,and I never thought much about it until now that it has been mentioned.
About a couple of years ago I was sitting on the couch when all of a sudden I was talking something like the people have said on this post. I could see everything that was wrong,and I was talking like a Theologian.
I was on another Christian site,and I did not like it because each one was trying to prove he or she knew better than the other.
Then the Holy Spirit dumped me off hear because I take it I would learn from this site.
I have just learned something I now know that I was talking in Tongues that day. It made no sense,but it did?
On the Healing side I was off on my holidays,but half way through my journey I took bad,and it was getting worse,and my mates dropped me off at a hospital.
When they got me into the bed my stomach was swollen has if I was 9 months pregnant`and I was in serious pain.
The surgeon came did a quick examination of me and said we will have to take you down to the operating theatre straight away. I replied what if I don`t want to go down he replied you will probably die,and I replied well I will just probably die.
In short I made a full recovery and the medical staff were amazed at my recovery.
I know it was the Holy Spirit that made me better He was in me.
Things are becoming clear every time I come to this site I get my answer.
I did not want to come the Holy Spirit dragged me hear.
I am astonished !!!!

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Jack Wellman November 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm

I am truly thankful that you came here my brother and that God spared your life by the Holy Spirit and that you have a purpose still yet ahead…even if restricted to your home, your prayers are needed so badly my friend. I thank God for you my friend.

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Mr A Cotton November 20, 2013 at 11:35 am

How do you get close to Jesus?

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Jack Wellman November 20, 2013 at 11:40 am

Great question my friend…and exactly the right question too. James 4:8 says ” Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.” Spending time with God through prayer, meditation on His words and obedience will draw us near to God. Staying in prayer, in the Word, and in obedience to His Words helps significantly. God is everywhere, you may not see Him with your physical eyes (Jer.23:23-24). God & Jesus are very much concerned with what you do in your heart (1Sam.16:7). Truly, once you determine in your heart that you really want to be close to Jesus, the Holy Spirit will start immediately to help you, guide you, train you to be following the prescriptions(as found in the Holy Bible) of God to live. As you continue to faithfully follow God’s instruction the closer you will be to Jesus Christ (John 14:23). Even start to pray now that the Lord Jesus should help you to get close to Him, you will soon have testimonies to give, which will help others too. I am not sure I answered your question well enough. I am heading to work shortly and so hope this helps somewhat my friend.

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Mr A Cotton November 20, 2013 at 11:38 am

I would like to subscribe to all subscription`s.

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Jack Wellman November 20, 2013 at 11:42 am

To subscribe, just click on the link where it says get a free eBook and you can subscribe to inspirations and such. Please let me know if this helps.

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Mr A Cotton November 21, 2013 at 7:39 pm

I asked how do you get close to Jesus,because He just`s keep popping in my head.
A lot of people to me at least, forget that Jesus came down to earth has a man. He was hurt in mind and body just like you and me.
They think that he just came down worked a few miracles died on the cross back in to heaven job done?
I don`t know if God new the real pain what Jesus went through.

I was taught that you have to try and imitate Jesus.
The last couple of days I wondered what He did every day one example if he joked with his Apostles.
I don`t mean all day just for a minute,and if one of the Apostles broke his foot. He might have not used a miracle to to heal his foot.
Certainly from the start of His crucifixion he felt real pain.
The Romans nearly lashed Him to death.
When they finished lashing Him it says that He was left with a very throbbing pain in His head.
In the garden He must have been at His weakest because this is where Satan tempered Him,and he cried up to His Farther for help,but then He said Thy Will Be Done on Earth,and He new He had to do it.
Jesus has certainly set the bar high for us.
The point I am trying to make say if God came down has a man with none of his power I wonder how He would fare.
Don`t get me wrong I am not testing God or Jesus over this man issue.

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Coop January 20, 2014 at 11:36 pm

When you wrote about the meaning of being an apostle, which in most of the forms of its use means a person who follows an ideal, you said that there were none in this age of the church. However aside from the eleven we know and the countless others Christ Jesus showed himself to after the resurrection, we see another example in Paul. He saw Christ and was ordained to be an apostle well after, Would it be strange to believe that something like this would occur throughout all generations until the return. I am no Biblical powerhouse, but this seems to me a more than reasonable thought.

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ILoveJesus February 19, 2014 at 12:30 am

Hi Jack, I am confused please help me out.
I attend a few different churches but the same, Pentecostal Christian.
The first Church that I go to it is a small church and when someone has the holy spirit it is one person speaking and we can understand. It usually is in a different language and my sister in law or husband translates for me.
The second church I attend is a huge church. Same Pentecostal.
I have heard about some Churches that are Charismatic. I have no idea what that means. I am not sure if the second church I attend is Charismatic or not.
The second church I attend everyone is very friendly. Usually for 30 minutes the Church has songs and its beautiful songs. After the first 30 minutes the Pastor will talk. Then at the end music will be in the background and I have noticed the pastor really glamorizes about speaking in tongues and about the holy ghost. At first I use to feel like I was not Christian enough because I have never spoken in tongues.
At the end of Church some of us go to the alter, pray and repent. It is very nice and I usually cry of joy after, but I have noticed a group of people even the pastor speak in tongues and it all sounds the same like jibberish. Every time a women or man lays there hands on me forehead or my back they speak in tongues. Is it really the holy spirit?
I remember when I was praying in English I didn’t want to fake speaking in tongues but they were saying Thats the holy spirit humushi muu buhh.

Please help me I do not want to question the Holy spirit I just want an answer and the truth. I have asked my husband and in laws about it and all they said is thats just how some people pray.
Should I talk to a pastor?

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Jack Wellman February 19, 2014 at 8:25 am

Thank you for your question my friend. Something just doesn’t sound right. This laying hands on your forehead and then speaking to you in tongues doesn’t sound biblical. Is it the Holy Spirit? I do not think it is because the Holy Spirit always points to glorify Jesus Christ and focus exclusively on Him and never man or his gifts. You are not questioning the Holy Spirit, so you are fine…what you are doing is seeking to find the truth and it obviously doesn’t feel right and I don’t think it is. I would talk to a pastor of another denomination. If you speak to the pastor of this church you had this experience in, then he will likely support this.

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Tam February 25, 2014 at 7:15 am

Hi. Do dreams come from God or Satan? I know what my husbands gifts are ( knowledge and mercy) but can’t clearly determine mine. :)

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Jack Wellman February 25, 2014 at 8:28 am

Dreams are just random and so you don’t want to put too much importance into what you dream. Frequently, if you pray and read your Bible before bedtime, there is a tendency to have better dreams and more peaceful sleep. Instead of focusing on your gifts, focus on the fruits for Jesus said that they will know you by your fruits and not by your gifts. The fruits of the Spirit are often overlooked and these found in Eph 5 among other places. Thank you Tam for your comment.

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Chimdike Ihe April 17, 2014 at 9:58 pm

Hello Tam,
Dreams are as a result of what your mind dwells on. Dreams are your brain giving picture to your inner thoughts while you sleep. However, for a spirit-led individual, God often uses the medium to communicate (a spirit can only communicate with one), so the Holy spirit communicates with our spirit and our brain (that is led by the spirit), then responds to that communication.

On gifts, one thing is clear, you can desire a gift! Working with the Holy spirit you can discover gifts already deposited in you or an awakening of ‘latent’ gifts or even one you feel you don’t have at all! However, it is meant for the body of Christ. Just as Jack says, we should reflect a life that attracts non-believers to the Kingdom. That life is largely judged by the fruits-Love, Joy, Peace, etc.

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Prince Mazie March 16, 2014 at 5:30 pm

Good write up, but I must quickly disagree with you that the days of a person being healed by the shadow of another is gone. You can not be right, the fact that there are counterfeits does not mean we don’t have originals, the counterfeits clearly is an indication that there are originals.
We should be very careful what we teach people because a day of accountability is coming.

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Jack Wellman March 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm

Thank you Prince. If you know of someone that you know of or have heard of that a shadow of theirs can still heal by passing over them, I would love to have them come to our local cancer hospital for children. Come, and let us see, and I will believe. Show me evidence that shadows of people passing over them are still healing people today.

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Chimdike Ihe April 17, 2014 at 10:07 pm

Hey Jack,
The Holy Spirit is still at work and can still do the things he’d done. In the past, dead people were raised to life so also have I seen it in our time and generation amongst other signs and display of the Holy ghost. It wouldn’t be okay to rule out the possibility of the Holy spirit healing people through their shadows. Is it not interesting that Jesus on earth didn’t do that? And that is because He said ‘…..greater works shall you do because……’ If you agree that the Holy Spirit is still around on earth, then I would be careful about the challenges I throw around. It would sound like I doubted what the Spirit could do.

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Mr A Cotton March 18, 2014 at 2:58 pm

I think I was born to suffer but I don`t turn to God and say why are You making me suffer I don`t believe You any more.
I accept it but God see`s me through it,I know this because I wouldn`t be on this site typing this out.
I believe God is the only One that makes miracles today weather they be big or small.
The Holy Spirit has shown His works to me because they have happened. Not all the time?
You prayer and then it`s up to God weather He helps you or not.
I am going through a very bad patch at the moment but God guided me to this site which I did not intend to do.
When I was a Catholic in confession the priest always said at the end I forgive you of your sins,but he can`t only God can forgive sins not a man.
Since I have been coming to this site for about 3 years now,and I have learnt more in these 3 years but before when I was a Catholic I just knew the basics and nothing else.
With help from the Team on this site,and I believe with a big help from the Holy Spirit mainly.
I keep getting knocked down but the Holy Spirit lifts me up..
I just read an article on Godly Sorrow,and this happened to St Peter when he denied Jesus 3 times He wept bitterly.
I think the same thing is happening to me?

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Jack Wellman March 18, 2014 at 4:24 pm

Jesus said blessed those who mourn for someday they will be comforted and God has said that He will wipe away every tear someday my friend. Ironically, God allows us to get knocked down and when we do get knocked down, it is quite convenient at times because then we are already in a position pray from our knees! You are loved Anthony. You know that I pray.

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Mr A Cotton March 19, 2014 at 3:08 pm

How right you are Jack about already being on our knees.
The thing that`s really messing things up is I can`t find a church.
I am going to this church which is closed all the time I pass,and it gets used for voting ballet for an election.
I know that it`s open on a Sunday I just hope that the Holy Spirit kicks me up the backside.
I wished I was near your church then I would have no problems because you would cut my burden in half,plus you would explain things in more detail so I could understand. Again thanks a lot for your words of comfort Jack. God is with You.

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Jack Wellman March 19, 2014 at 7:59 pm

Thank you my brother. I would think that if God is with me He might be corrupted by my company but I know what you are saying and you are, as always, more kind to me than I deserve. If you like, you can hear some of my messages if you can’t find a good church where you are at and you have already told me that good, Bible-teaching and preaching is not available where you live. They are not as good as John Mac Arthur but maybe you’ll get something good out of them and hey, if you want, I can address you specifically in my next messages recorded in our church because we are going over the Gospel of John for…guess what…people who can’t find a church where they live and those who live with doubts and fear. These are found at this link Anthony and thank you sir. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJackWellman

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Mr A Cotton March 20, 2014 at 2:40 pm

I already clicked on your link to YouTube,and it looks promising.
So what you are saying Jack I watch these video`s when you say you have recorded them in your church,so it`s like me being present in your congregation on a Sunday.
Do you record them every week? Is there anything else that you can suggest for me to do to keep the whole day to keep God`s Sabbath.
You have hit the nail on the head when you say those who live in doubt and fear.
It`s mainly fear(I am terrified)
This is starting to get very uncanny God is starting to answer my prayer`s
This always pops in my head when Jesus said 10 words to a crowd “Let him who has not sinned cast the first stone”) Just these words stopped a whole crowd from stoning the woman.
The other thing that pops into my head is you Jack I don`t know what for or why?
I can only say God is helping me through you Jack that`s all I can think of.
I really appreciate this concern for me or should I say for my soul. This proves to me that God is in you to help me Jack. I would be a lost sheep with out you Jack.

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Jack Wellman March 20, 2014 at 9:16 pm

Anthony…my friend, you are giving me more credit than I deserve. Yes, it would be like you being there with us in church. I like that thought. I record almost every Sunday when our tech guy is there anyway and he and his wife are only there about 2 out of every 4 to 5 Sundays about which I am concerned for their trying to follow Christ seriously and taking Matt 6:33 as face value as Jesus said. By the way, the enemy loves our terror but God is the God of all comfort but even longtime Christians battle this fear and doubt and times of lack of faith so you are not alone my brother. Why I pop into your head…that’s a scary thought…I will pray that doesn’t happen too often. Just kidding…don’t know why it happens. The Holy Spirit maybe? Not sure. Take care Anthony my friend.

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Mr A Cotton March 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm

I fully understand about the guy and his wife and you are concerned about them.
The Holy Spirit will see to me.
I went and watched a couple of your video`s on YouTube. I burst out laughing when you told the story about the guide dog taken a walk and the passengers thinking the plane was piloted by a blind person.
I was watching the video about how to forgive yourself and it really helped.
I did not know you had quite a lot of video`s on YouTube,and I will go back and watch some more.
I am trying to download them,but my downloader is not working. Thanks for the information Jack.

Mr A Cotton March 22, 2014 at 5:24 pm

I can subscribe to your video`s because I have a couple more about religion plus I go on YouTube to watch historic battles like when Salladin was trying to take Jerusalem.
The Leper king had died and after that their was chaos,he eventually took Jerusalem.
I think my computer is past it`s sell by date.
I still learn things from them,but at the moment I can`t get over the blind dog story. I don`t think I would get back on that plane. Thanks again jack for the info.

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Jack Wellman March 22, 2014 at 5:35 pm

Thanks Brother…that being a true story made it all the more humorous. God definitely does have a sense of humor. He made me didn’t he!? LOL

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Mr A Cotton March 23, 2014 at 1:26 pm

I would have loved to have been there to watch the passengers reactions.
I think I would have made inquires on who was flying the plane.
Yes that`s good one is there anything in the bible that mentions God having a sense of humour.
When Jesus was here on Earth he must have had a laugh with the apostles,and I don`t mean that they were joking all the time I must add that.
I think I better change that to smiled.

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Roger March 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm

Dear Pastor Jack,
God has shown me the reason there are so many denominations and different forms of doctrines is because believers are not taught to learn from the Holy Spirit. I know that I have the gift of teaching and God has proven that to me on many occasions. I did not know I had this gift until others started telling me they saw it in me.
For instance I use to attend a church where the pastor and I were friends before he had been ordained. When we were only friends, we would be discussing the Bible and he saw that I had certain insights on Biblical subjects that He had never heard before. When he began to work as a pastor, he would often ask me to present the message for the following Sunday. I would go through the whole week trying to figure out what I would speak about. However each time I would be asked to this. The Holy Spirit would wake me up at 3:00 am on Sunday and give me the message with the corresponding scriptures. Everyone would be blessed in the church and be encouraged. I would always advise the members to don’t just listen to what I am saying or teaching. But to listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying through me. Because I am just a vessel He is using, and i being a human just like them, I could easily insert my own two cents into what is being taught. Jesus told us the Holy Spirit would teach us all things. He can speak through anything, including a donkey, as described in the book of Numbers. In His teachings Jesus often said “he who has ears to hear, let him hear” and as believers ask in faith they will be given ears to hear. In the book of Revelations He was advising the churches”He that has an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches”. I believe that when we learn from the Holy Spirit, we will also be given the power to be doers of the word and not just hearers only Ezek. 36:27. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach all things. I can appreciate pastors who have gone to seminary to learn the Bible, but I have heard some strange teachings from many of them. But I believe that they are trusting in their education instead of believing in the Spirit to use them in teaching. I have often heard some teachings that I did not understand or agree with. Then the Holy Spirit would let me know it is the truth, then lead me to scriptures to prove it to me. I agree with most of what you teach, but some things I don’t believe you have a true spiritual understanding of. I am not trying to judge you, because only God knows your heart. I don’t claim to know everything in the Bible, because God has shown me how little I know by teaching out of one chapter in the Bible for five years. God Bless You, my Brother in Christ.

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Jack Wellman March 27, 2014 at 7:42 pm

Well said Roger. I do agree that seminary alone is not enough and too many have attended liberal seminaries. I attended Moody for a master’s and it is the most solid, theologically sound that I know of anywhere. Yes, many who came from seminary’s have strange teachings but so do those with no seminary degrees. I still believe seminary is crucial because there are lessons on interpreting scripture, hermeneutics, exegesis, and so on that help us put into the cultural context and look at the genre and to see whether Scriptures apply to us today. For example, all Scripture is written to us but not all Scripture is written for us. That is, many verses are prescriptive and some are descriptive.

Tell me by the way what things am I wrong in teaching? Can you be specific? You said that you agree with most of my teachings but that “I don’t…have a true spiritual understanding” of some things? Please clarify that if you can.

Yes, the Holy Spirit teaches us but the Holy Spirit, when He speaks to you, or to me, or to anyone, must always agree with Scripture, right?

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William March 31, 2014 at 10:38 pm

Hi Roger, I would like to talk to you on Skype or yahoo messenger if possible. I have not been on here for a while but postings on here automatically comes to my mail and i read some of your postings which are really Spirit inspired. We might be able to talk and encourage each other. If you get this posting and writes back to me that is a good sign, however, if you are not able to, that is fine because Jesus is in charge. My email is williberk @ yahoo.com. Hope to hear from you. You can add me on Skype or yahoo messenger or something.

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Roger March 31, 2014 at 10:08 am

Dear Pastor Jack and all my Brothers and Sisters in Christ
My heart’s desire for you is for you all to hear from and be led by, the Holy Spirit.

In my life as a Christian for the past 30+ years, especially during the early years; I have heard various different doctrines and teaching about the word of God, the Bible. Because I was being taught by people who were very sincere in what they were teaching, but often very sincerely wrong in their understanding of the word of God. This caused much confusion. And I confess that even with the gift of teaching upon my life I can fall into the same category.

That is why I always encourage people to not just blindly listen or receive what I have to say, but to hear what the Spirit is speaking through me. I advise them to pray for God to give them ears to hear what He is speaking through me or any other teacher. (Mt 11:15, Mt 13:9, Mt 13:43, Mr 4:9, Mr 4:23, Mr 7:16, Lu 8:8, Lu 14:35, Rev 2:7-29)
Jesus says in John 6:63 that it is the Spirit that gives life and the flesh does not profit us. He also states His words are Spirit and they are life. The Lord has shown me through Romans 8:2 that we will either receive His word as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, when taught by the Holy Spirit. Where we will receive the life and strength to walk in it, by the grace and power of the Holy Spirit. Or we will receive it as the law of sin and death where are trying to understand it with our own carnal understanding and try to walk in it by our own strength. This will put is the position that Paul saw himself as described in Romans chapter 7.

I tell my Brothers and Sisters for God to give them the ears to hear what, if anything, the Spirit of God is speaking through me or any other preacher/teacher. I tell them that the Spirit may speak to them through the whole message I have to share, by one paragraph, by one sentence, or by one word. The words we receive by the Spirit will be life changing. The Spirit has shown me that a word received from Him will produce more love for God, more love for our Brothers and Sisters in Christ, and more love for our neighbors as we love ourselves, where we fulfill all the law of God (Mt 22:37-40). All Christians will stumble and fall in their walk with God. No one of us is perfect. Fortunately, by God’s grace and love for us, we can receive the grace to repent and confess our sins, then be forgiven, cleansed by the blood of Jesus. Where God enables us to get up after we fall and get back on the path with Him.
In Isaiah 55:8-11 God tells us His thoughts and ways are not the same as His. His thoughts and ways are so much higher than our own, will accomplish what He pleases, and prosper in the purpose for which He has sent. Our problem as humans is that we often receive the word according to what we think it says, trying to get it to accomplish what we please, for our purposes. But when we are learning from the Holy Spirit in reading the word, or are taught by a vessel being used by Him, we will be able to go out with joy and be led forth with peace.
As I stated before don’t just blindly accept what I have to say, whether it sounds good or bad. But pray for ears to hear what, if anything, God wants to speak to you.

With love in Christ,
Roger

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William March 31, 2014 at 10:39 pm

Hi Roger, I would like to talk to you on Skype or yahoo messenger if possible. I have not been on here for a while but postings on here automatically comes to my mail and i read some of your postings which are really Spirit inspired. We might be able to talk and encourage each other. If you get this posting and writes back to me that is a good sign, however, if you are not able to, that is fine because Jesus is in charge. My email is williberk @ yahoo.com. Hope to hear from you. You can add me on Skype or yahoo messenger or something.

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Kris March 31, 2014 at 2:41 pm

Dear Roger,

I can think of no better place for the great commission to start than with the obedience to the first commandment and to then be enabled to carry out the second by way of a man loving his wife as Christ loved the church.

Our marriages are falling prey to the world , the flesh and the devil at an unprecidented rate and society is suffering greatly as a result of children raised in loveless families.

Father’s are CHARGED by GOD to do what by the flesh is impossible ….but with GOD all things are possible.

I know from experience and observation that a man who is harsh, bitter, unthankful and domineering is a very poor demonstration of his “faith’

Early in my walk I used to go with a friend of mine upon her invitation to a fellowship she raved about because the word was being taught….but every time as we drived to the fellowship I sat in the back and obeserved her husbands harsh and snide treatment of her.

This did not deter my love for the Lord but I could not help but wonder about this kind of ungodly treatment of wives within the ministry as time went on. I think also that the lack of the demonstration of godly love between a husband and wife TEACH their children either as boys to mistreat their wives …and for girls to accept this as normal in marriage.

I know that my own husband was most ‘able’ to be kind and charming to women NOT his wife…before marriage it convinced me that he was more loving than many of the men in our ministry were ….since it seemed to me that those christian men were harsh, disrespectful and domineering toward their wives.

My husband was a new christian but after marriage he ‘tired ‘ of the walk …and soon he began to ‘leave’ God and then rejected me and left me out of his life in every way ….though I tried throughout our marriage to serve and respect him while keeping my walk in tact with the Lord.

I often struggled with how to respect and honor my husband but to keep my walk after the Lord healthy . I soon found it difficult to please both my husband and the Lord . My husband basically created his own ‘need’ for other women in his life unknown to me. He kept his thoughts and grievances secret and would not allow me ‘in’ .

He never changed his ‘identity’ to being a son of God and shunned associations with other believers . He did not like to include me with his activities unless it was advantageous to his image with his co workers.

We moved often and so as I homeschooled our children our lives were more and more isolated from others …I kept trying to include him and to urge him not to ‘miss” his children’s childhood in favor of business, golf and other activities that he felt were so important.

I felt the weight of the responsibility to raise our children and to serve the Lord in ways that would bring them up in the Word . I know that many times I tried to get him to realize the importance of his own influence among others and especially his family.

He usually fell asleep whenever I talked to him because he was often only home a few hours in the evening and off very early in the morning.

Yesterday I was looking at all of his many custom made Italian suits and wondering what he wears these days to work since he left our home last November.

Seven years ago I discovered quite by accident materials from his relationship with the OW of his adulterous arrangment of 14 years. Two children’s photos brought me to my knees as I had NO idea that this man who was so proud of his image of integrity could be the father.Yet he admitted that he had created this second ‘family ‘ but he and the OW had had NO intention of marriage.

The testimony of a man who truely loves his wife as Christ loves the church is so vital and powerful the devil has aimed very carefully at the vulnerable proud man who does not believe he has any need to be taught anything .

My husband was so excellent at posing as a godly man but denying the Lord throughout our lives that his testimony is now fully flesh and he is hard in his heart. Only the Lord is able to know how to deal with him

He is bitter and angry and has no love for anyone. He is possibly ashamed but has taken the route of leaving rather than pushing INTO the healing process. He has no love for the OW who he says he hates because she led him into this .

He , like some other men who I have met who cheated on their wives blame the wife….but as I have studied scripture the man has MUCH of the responsiblity in all relationships.

I tried to follow the Lord before we married and learn all I could and asked the Lord to help me obey.I DO believe what you have pointed out about reading the Word with the Lord as guide and teacher to be very important as a state of our attitude and heart.

Men may teach and share much but it is the Lord and the Holy Spirit who are our best teachers and will provide us with insight that will surpass fleshly understanding and that is indeed worthy of our attention here.

I think that a man who believes he can love his wife only by his flesh will find it nearly impossible and most likely he will be unsatisfied. The flesh is ill equipped NOT to take offense and it is self oriented.

To love as Christ loved is to become equipped daily by the spirit of the word and to allow GOD to show us all the ways we might love this way.

A natural man or one who has rejected the council of the Word is going to be open to the whispers of the enemy of our soul to take offense at things that very well may not even be offensive.

To the unbeliever the spirit of God IN someone may be all it takes to cause an attitude that will build up and promote unthankfulness, resentment and rejection.

In the time we tried to deal with the discovery of my husbands adulteries…he admitted he could not name any offense or area that I was guilty of . I know I am not perfect and as many women who love the Lord do when married they take any ‘cloud’ across their husband’s visage personally and seek to know what they might be guilty of to perhaps have caused this …or what they might do to improve,

My husband would not admit or discuss anything when I asked him what was wrong …He was determined to be a ‘closed book’ even from the day of our wedding when we had our first dance. He simply would not deal with any of the things which I might have done to displease him

The ONE thing he did not want me to do after he stopped going to fellowships and stopped reading his Bible was to speak to anyone about Jesus Christ! I was in ministry for some 15 years before we married and during our first couple of years.

His turning away was very difficult for me yet I kept praying for him and kept asking the Lord for wisdom in how I might serve Him while respecting my husband .

Even with the deep sorrow and pain that the discovery of his adultery and his deliberately planning and having children with the OW who did not want marriage OR even children for loves sake but only for the support money as we see her not keeping her responsibilities to them now ….I tried to go to the Lord FIRST and study how I needed to deal with this .

My husband has refused to study anything about being a husband or father from the time he entered his newer career two years after our wedding. His meteoric rise in the financial industry ripped him away from his growing in the Lord.

Marriage to anyone who is not able to testify to their having walked through some trials for the sake of the Lord might be the wisdom I could offer to those unmarried.

My daughters are in their late twenties and never dated , having moved often and not found time or opportunity to gain any depth of relationships over their entire lives as we followed my husband for his career . He has now left and they feel a great loss of his strength and help.

He has demonstrated that he is willing to let others take up the responsiblities of a husband and father in terms of helping , and hands on relating .

He MISSED OUT …but my son has married and his wife’s family has demonstrated faithfulness to one another and bring a sense of security …but they are on another continent.

I know that the Lord will continue to provide for us but the love of a husband and a marriage that COULD have and SHOULD have provided not only satisfaction and maturity for my husband but demonstrated what a real marriage is has been lost.

HE missed it but he also caused so many to have lost what he could have now seen as a much better legacy as well as impacting the society with children who have known the true example of the love of Christ in daily living.

I am thankful for the men who have seen this …I spoke with a man yesterday at church …one we found that teaches bible without the new age stuff…He told me that he left his wife and the new wife had gotten cancer and felt guilty because she felt this was because of her sin . He also did not OWN the sin of adultery as he felt his ex wife …his covenant wife was to be pittied because she could not “get over it’ .

I think this indicates the way that society has bought the lie and even in churches to soothe the consciences of adulterers that marriage is nothing more than how the world sees it . To many who study the word it is the responsibility of those who claim Christ to enter into it knowing it is a covenant between man and GOD and the man and the woman and a covenant which JESUS said was unbreakable until death.

If it is broken by adultery the adulterer is not to marry someone else because they make that person commit adultery.

I know I have read many who debate this within the church but the scriptures seem to confirm that divorce in order to marry another person when there spouse has not commited adultery result in the new marriage being adultery!

I believe thus far in my understanding of this issue that the way marriage in Christ is to work is to be fulfilling , challenging in order to grow us up.

It is to provider illustration for our children on a daily basis of how they too may enjoy the life IN Christ while in marriage.

It is one of the greatest gifts from the Lord to be in a marriage and to learn from Him how He will equip us to live in such a way that we will be a ‘sermon’ …an epistle known and read of all men.

Walking in the way the Word teaches by His Spirit IS the necessary state by which we will find fulfillment and satisfaction in any situation. I had hoped in this being the case with being a companion with my husband in all areas of life.

He rejected God , rejected me and abandoned his ‘gift’ of life in marriage and traded it like Esau for a pot of ‘porriage’ with unbelievers , an atheist woman who actually has demonstrated more and more that her intent as a militant feminist was to not only destroy a man …to destroy a marriage and to raise up ungodly children …who have stated to my husband ‘I hate Christians’ .

So it is while I was endeavoring to raise up children in the Word …so they could make good choices ..we all have learned one of the most difficult lessons of all through this experience. My husband was busy opposing every aspect of life in Chrsit , marriage and family.

How strange it seems that so able a man would fall for this wicked ploy…but he is proud, and arrogant even in the face of having been exposed. Thus we pray for our Lord to open his eyes and understanding even now .

A godly marriage may not change the ‘world ‘ in terms of it’s influence doctrinally …but wait….why then does the Lord exhort those in marriage to prepare to love their wives and thus as you have shared ..the wife will find it much easier to respond ..as God loved us first …so we love HIM ..the husband initiates love and so his wife will find it easier to love and follow him.

Over the years I have sat in many churches and heard a sermon HEAVY on the responsiblities of the wife to respect her husband and thus women who love the Lord and their husbands do so …and make every effort to be obedient to this charge.

When will the husbands hear the things written to them from scripture with the same urgency? The world has launched assaults on men’s eyes since Kinsey and Hefner onward…and even before .

The lauch of media expanded this along with advertising fanning the fleshly desire for MORE of everything …not just necessities but what used to be regarded as lusts.

I so appreciate what you wrote….reading scripture with the eyes of the spirit of GOD working to bring understanding and application accordingly would make all the difference in the walk of people who are concerned with God’s will . AND the behavior of a Berean as well …so needed in today’s challenging society.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom here.

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Kris March 31, 2014 at 2:44 pm

Not ‘drived” hahaha…I meant ‘drove”

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Roger March 31, 2014 at 8:08 pm

Dear Pastor Jack,
I agree with you. When all is said and done, The most important thing is people knowledge of who Jesus is and what He has done for mankind. I have experienced the reality of this salvation when I came into a knowledge of His salvation while planning to commit suicide. The Bible is more than just ink written on pages. I am not just waiting to just die and go to heaven. I have seen them reality of it. I know we are to live by faith no by sight. Jesus said “Joh 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” The only way we can experience eternal life in this way is by the teaching, and leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit who has been left for us to keep us walking into a greater knowledge of God and His Son Jesus. This is my hearts desire fo myself and every other Christiann.

I have been able by the grace of God, to preach the gospel according to 1Cor 2:1-4, but I also know that the very words of the gospel have power in and of themselves according to Rom 1:16. All this can only come about by the Holy Spirit at work in us by His grace so on that great day we will have nothing to boast of but the grace of God.

I love You my Brother
May God continue to bless you in the work you are doing for Him.

Roger

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Jack Wellman April 1, 2014 at 9:23 am

Roger, I love your zeal for the Word of God and that you are a rare man this day in the church. Let me tell you that I thank God for you my brother.

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Eddie Echavez June 26, 2014 at 7:50 am

Hello i’m new to these pages of faith,and i did not look at any of the comments that anyone made, just because i didn’t want it to influence what i was about to say.I was reading what was said about healing and the ability of healing.It is very real and something i have experienced first hand. When i was around the age of 13 i was struck by a car,i was under the car and i was covered in white snow( which contributed to me being here today speaking of this) well i was pulled out by my brother and i stood up from the fright shook myself off as if nothing ever happened. The person that hit me was so scared and looked as if he was about to have a coronary of his own, i assured him that i was fine and not to worry, that he could go home. Well the next day i go to get up from bed and i feel an immense pain in my hip when i went to move my legs.I yelled for my parents and let them know that i could not walk. They got me dressed(with allot of pain and yelling from me) and took me to the doctor. The doctor exams me, sends me for x-rays(more movement,more yelling from me),the results show that a bone in my hip had been dislocated,and that it was where all my pain was coming. My parents where informed by the doctor that it could go back into place by itself in a couple of days, or that i would have to be operated on,and correct the problem,at the tune of about 6500.my parents didn’t have, or could come up with. I was taken home and we hoped and prayed for a miracle. Well at around this time i had a friend named Richie,he lived across the street from me and he had heard what had happened. It was day two and the pain had not gotten any better,everything i did was extremely unpleasant. My friend Richie was over and he saw what i was going through and suggested i go to his church and have the congregation pray over me. At the time i thought this was a little crazy,but i was also curious because my friend had mentioned this to me and i found it odd that he believed this could help. I waited two more days,decided i would take him upon his offer and go to his church, i was carried into his car driven to the church,and carried to the front of the pues by the pulpit. I was introduced to the pastor, they asked him if he could have the congregation pray over me,he agreed. When the service was about to begin the pastor introduced me to everyone, and let’s them know that i was a visitor from another church and to welcome me. We had the service and before it was over we get to the point where we pray for the sick.Well when they get to me the pastor tells everyone if they would kneel, and direct all their prayers to the Lord for me,(i have always been christian, and a believer, but have never witnessed anything like this before)the pastor lays his hand on my head ,and my hip and they pray. The truth of this story is that i felt an energy of happiness, and a tingling sensation in my affected area,my whole body felt this incredible feeling. I was then told to stand up and walk,but in my heart it was not the pastors voice that was telling me but the voice of my lord.Tears of joy from me ,and praises to Jesus from everyone,i was walking with no hint of pain or discomfort. I had been healed by my father that day, and i believe the power of prayer , and my faith in him is what made me walk out of their…PRAISE JESUS ,PRAISE THE LORD…

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Jack Wellman August 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm

Please sir show me where I said that no believe in Christ has any gift of the Spirit. You might want to check what I said as opposed to what you think. I did check Scriptures but you need to, pleas sir, check what I actually said. You are quoting something that I never said and that is dishonest. Thank you sir and God bless.

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Zechariah November 27, 2013 at 4:58 am

Dear Sir – -THERE IS A TYPO – See further to the last sentence in this passage from your text:

‘No believer can say that they have no gift of the Spirit from God. God has given all believers gifts; some have several but everyone has these gifts. These gifts of the Spirit are given not for the believer but for the Body of Christ. It is to make the Body complete. These gifts are intended for the church to edify it, to strengthen it, to feed it, to exhort it, to encourage it and to have the Body of Christ empowered to do the work of Christ. These gifts are always to exalt Christ, to witness of God’s power, to build up the Body, and to work to enlarge the Body of Christ by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with the lost. There are several biblical tools and surveys that believers can use to discover their own gifts of the Spirit. These are helpful applications to allow the Christian to see what their gifts are and therefore how they can best help the church. *No believer in Christ has any gift of the Spirit.*

You stated in the beginning of the paragraph the FACT – read in context it is easy to see that this is simple human error in interpreting (and writing) the words.
Interpretation is paramount, and can only be done through the Spirit of the living God.
Perhaps you were hasty in claiming dishonesty in his honest attempt to seek revelation from you?
Thank you for the work you are trying to do here.

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Roger March 27, 2014 at 8:14 pm

I apologize if you think what I said was accusing you of teaching anything contrary to the gifts of the Spirit. That was not my in tensions. I was just trying to emphasize the importance of learning from the Holy Spirit using whatever vessel He chooses or even when reading the Bible. For instance I will give you two examples of the Holy Spirit teaching me.

A few months ago I was questioning my love for God during a time of prayer Then the Holy Spirit told me that I do love God. He told me that the love of God shed abroad in my in is a love from God and a love for God. He told me to keep that love alive and active what I had to do was declare that love every day all during the day. Then He told me to go to Proverbs 18:19-20 showing that I can awaken that love by speaking life to it. He went on to tell me even if I don’t feel like I love God, just to declare it anyway and my love for Him will remain alive in me. I have read Romans chapter 5 countless times in my 30 years as a Christian, but I could not have the understanding of this verse outside of the teaching of the Holy Spirit

Another example one time last month I was reading Hebrews chapter 10. In verse 10 it tells us that we have been sacntified once and for all by the offering up of the body of Jesus. This sounds wonderful But verse 14 says that we have been perfected forever. I started to question that because I can see so many imperfections in my life. Then the Holy Spirit told me that my sanctification has perfected me and everything in my life for God ‘s calling upon my life.
Then He told me that is why I have no right to judge any other Christian because I don’t know what God is perfecting in their lives. Showing me the imperfections in my life are being perfected in another person and vice versa. This again was something I could only learn from the Holy Spirit because I have read many times in this chapter of the Bible.

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Jack Wellman March 21, 2014 at 10:16 pm

Hello Anthony. I do hope they can help and I will speak to you as if you were there my brother. I am not sure why they don’t download but you can copy the link for each of these messages to a document or to your favorites in your browser or just go back and listen when you can. I am honored that you feel they are worthy and from now on, I will speak to you as if you are in present in spirit, if not body. Thanks you for your encouragement brother. I love you Anthony.

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Jack Wellman March 27, 2014 at 8:37 pm

Amen Roger. This is clear to me my friend. I believe that sometimes…perhaps many times…the education of seminary and the effect that this has on men creates a vanity or pride and Paul was so right when he said that knowledge puffs up. That is a brilliant, Holy Spirit-inspired comment when you said that God’s love is a love from God and a love for God for we couldn’t love Him unless He first loved us. Great point and you said it well…perhaps better than I have ever heard. It is obvious to me, even in your first 2 comments and not knowing you well at all (yet!) that you indeed do have a gift for teaching. I can sense that. Something you said in your first comment was so good too…the more that I know God and the Word of God the more I see just how little I know God and the Word of God. I am so embracing that. Me too! In fact, the more I see God and His perfect holiness, the more I see my awful sinfulness. As He is clearly seen more and more holy from the study of His Word, the more and more I see just how much of a wretch I am and like Isaiah, before services, I need that “coal” touching my lips, being unclean, and to speak only what the Holy Spirit would have me speak. Thank you Roger. Your humility is going to make you an even better teacher. May I remain as humble because God is opposed (literal translation “at war with”) to the proud but gives grace only to the humble…like you sir. I thank God for you.

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Roger March 28, 2014 at 11:30 am

Dear Pastor Jack

One example of what I disagree with is your teaching on being “baptized in or with the Holy Spirit”.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. This verse speaks of what the Spirit is doing

Mr 1:8 “I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” This verse speaks of what Jesus does. These two different experiences are granted by two different members of the Godhead.

For instance I do not believe the disciples were truly “born again” receiving a new heart and new spirit (Ezek. 36:26) until this event:
Joh 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit”.
I believe this is when they were born again and received the indwelling of the Spirit. But after His resurrection Jesus told His disciples:
Ac 1:8 “But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

I believe being endued with a supernatural power to preach the gospel of the kingdom. I do not believe as many people in the “charismatic movement” teach, that “speaking with tongues” is the evidence that you are baptized in the Spirit. For instance the young lady who shared the gospel with me to be saved did not “speak with tongues” but there was a power being manifested through her that kept me from walking away from her, because I did not want to listen to what she was saying. But I could not escape her, I was set down in an empty classroom to hear what she had to say in college.

The book of Acts show many examples of new Christians receiving the Spirit and speaking in tongues, but it also speaks of people believing the gospel without this experience. I don’t believe that one who does not “speak in tongues” is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit which we all receive when we are born again. I also don’t believe the tongues described in Acts chapter 2 and the tongues spoken of in 1st Cor. 12-14. You say that Paul was reproving the Corinthian church for using tongues in a pagan way. The scriptures do not say this. I believe Paul was telling them this and all other gifts were to be used for the edifying of the church and if others could not understand what was being said it would not edify them. Or if an unbeliever would come into a meeting with several people speaking in tongues they would think the church was a bunch of lunatics. Paul says that whoever speaks in an unknown tongue should pray for the interpretation of it so the church could be edified. Tongues described in 1stCor. Is a gift where believer can pray to God “spirit to Spirit” 1Cor. 14:14-15. I do not believe these tongues were meant to be understood by the human mind.
Then Paul goes on to say:
1Co 14:39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.

Jesus said:
Mr 16:17 “And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; I do not believe He was speaking of the apostles only. I have meant some Brothers in Christ who did not want to have anything to do with “speaking with new tongues”. But they told when they were in an intense time of prayer they started to pray in tongues. But the greatest and most valuable thing is that all things be done in the love of God as described in 1Cor. 13. I myself pray with tongues and have seen God use it in miraculous ways, but it is the least of all the gifts. I have had experience casting demons out of people. My younger, who I am 11 years older, received Christ after asking me “Roger, how do you know the Bible is true?”, when she was 15 years old. I told her that I know that it is true because I have experienced the truth of it in tangible ways. Then a week later she became very sick and could not get out of bed. Then one day that week while I was sitting in the living, the Holy Spirit spoke to me and told me “go show your sister the truth of the Bible. Then He gave me the verses from Mark 16 to share with her. I went to her bedroom and reminded her of what she had asked me the previous week. Then I read the verses from Mark 16 to her and asked her if she wanted to experience the truth of this verse. Then she said “yes, I guess so”. I prayed for her and she leaped out of bed screaming “I’m healed!” She later became a Christian when the Holy Spirit had revealed to me the exact identity of a young man she was involved with and she was show that she can’t hide anything from God.
I could go on to share with you details of my grandmother who refused to believe and accept the gospel when I was saved, and she was in her late 80’s, but became a Christian at age 105. She was born in late 1889 and died in mid 2002 at age 112. I can send you news paper and magazine articles of this if you want.

God Bless You my Brother in Christ, I love You
Roger

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Jack Wellman March 28, 2014 at 11:52 am

Thank you Roger. No, I appreciate your wanting to send me magazine or newspaper articles but I will just keep in the Bible for those things outside of the Bible, called experiential or extrabiblical, are not my thing but thank you anyway sir. Have a blessed day and weekend Roger.

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Roger March 28, 2014 at 2:57 pm

Again my Brother my hearts desire is for believers to be taught and led by the Spirit of God so the can experience the word of God as a tangible reality. That is why I believe the Bible and know it is the word of God. I know it is important that everything must line up with scripture. But many things we believe are not written in the Bible like the word “trinity” but we all know there is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I remember one powerful message God gave me to teach at church titled “The Unholy Trinity”. There is no such statement like this you can find in the Bible. But God had me teach the church that the unholy trinity of “me, myself, and I” is one of the greatest things that hinders our walk with God. I was able to teach them that taking up our cross and following Jesus was the way to get rid of that “unholy trinity”. I could only have learned this by the Holly Spirit. I don’t claim to always hear from the Holy Spirit. I have heard from Him, disobeyed, and suffered the consequences.

I could share many more experiences of the tangible manifestation of the word of God. But I remember the Holy Spirit telling don’t go chasing after miracles, but chase after the God of the word, and miracles will come as needed. He told me that the devil knows the words of the Bible better than any Christian does. Satan can quote the Bible word for word. even letter by letter, even though he does not have the understanding of it that we can receive from the Holy Spirit. He can perform deceptive miracles, and twist our understanding of what it says. I remember my father was a member of a demonic cult that claimed to believe in Jesus. They prayed for a cousin of mine that was blind and he received his sight.

That is why we as believers need to learn how to be lead and taught by the Holy Spirit. Even the Bible must be taught by Him so we can get past our natural mental understanding of it. He has taught me to know when it is Him teaching because it will always produce the love of God and the love of our neighbors. Because we can think when everything is going good it is from God or when things are not going good it is not from God if we are not lead by the Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 3:5-6 tells us to trust in the Lord with all our hearts and lean not on our own understanding (which is our own perception of what is going on) but to acknowledge Him in all our ways and He wil direct our paths. I believe this direction comes from the Holy Spirit.

The testimonies that I have shared about my sister and grandmother I see as tangible proof that the word of God is true Acts 16:31. Even my father who was once a member of demonic cult has given his life to Christ.

When we all stand before God on that day we will have nothing to boast of but His grace. I am not trying to prove that I have a great knowledge of the Bible better than you do. Although I may not agree with everything you may teach, you are my Brother in Christ and I love you. That is the most important thing to me. That is what we will be judged for on that great day, if we loved God with all that is within us, and did we love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

I Love You My Brother and may God richly bless you.

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Roger March 31, 2014 at 12:03 pm

Dear Pastor Jack,
I would like to share with you one of many experiential revelations that the Holy Spirit has given to me, telling me something that you cannot find written anywhere in scripture.

I am a married man and six months before my wedding day, during a time of prayer, the Holy Spirit told me “whatever you want from your wife, you have to love it out of her, and no matter how she may act your only response is to be love.” If you can please show me where this is stated in the Bible?

When I heard this word, I started crying out to God, saying “help me! I don’t know how to love like this”
Then the Holy Spirit told me that I first had to love God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength. Then God would impart to me the grace that would enable me to love my wife in this manner. The Holy Spirit went on to teach me whenever I would see something that would cause me to find fault in my wife, I should first pray for Him to help me get the logs out of my eyes, so I could see clearly, through God’s eyes of loving kindness, tender mercies, and forgiveness. Only through this would I be able to see clearly to remove specks, if any from my wife’s eyes. He taught me to pray for God to set a guard over my mouth, and keep watch over the door of my lips (Psalm 141:3). He showed me that this would keep me from saying anything that hurt my wife and her walk with God. Then I was able to always speak words of encouragement to my wife even when I had to correct her about something to let her know that God was greater than anything she did wrong and could help her with any problems in her life as a Christian. This has been a beautiful experience for me as a Christian man.

I have shared the word with many Brothers concerning their marriages and God has done wonderful things for them in their marriages. For example, there was one Brother who was calling me almost daily practically crying about what he was going through with his wife. One time he and his wife had come over my house to have dinner with my wife and me. During our time at the table I shared with him what the Spirit had spoken to me before I was married. This turn on a light for this Brother and he went back home and started to attack his wife with this kind of love. Within a month and a half his wife changed from being a roaring lion to becoming a gentle lamb. Months later while speaking with his wife, she told my wife that she could not resist the love of God she was getting from her husband and she just had to submit to it.

There was another couple, friends of my wife and I, who were having problems in their marriage and the husband was greatly complaining about his wife. I shared this same revelation with him and he told me that he did not think he would be able to do this because it would be too hard. This marriage did not last more than two months after he rejected this word.

Again my Brother, I am not trying to act like l know the Bible better than you. I have often missed God in many ways. Even in what the Spirit told me concerning how to treat my wife, I have at times fallen short of His word. This is just another example of why it is important to be taught and led by the Spirit of God and how we can experience the heart of God.

I Love in Jesus,

Roger

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Jack Wellman March 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm

Roger, I don’t understand “I am a married man and six months before my wedding day, during a time of prayer, the Holy Spirit told me “whatever you want from your wife, you have to love it out of her, and no matter how she may act your only response is to be love.” If you can please show me where this is stated in the Bible?” and in particular, are you wanting to know where this is found in the Bible? It is no where that I know of. The Great Commission is central to the mission of Christians but yet a person’s first and most important earthly ministry is to his or her family. Central to the Christian’s life is that of the Great Commission to take the gospel to the whole world, even if it’s next door. Repentance, confession, sanctification, and trusting in Christ are the essentials to what we learn from the Bible and so, although I do not disagree with what you are saying, the main thing is to keep the main thing, the main thing, and that is Christ died for sinners and to rescue them from hell fire. Agree?

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