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Jean-Marc September 26, 2012 at 9:44 am

Very helpful artice 🙂

Barry Lewis September 26, 2012 at 11:16 am

What a wonderful, informative article on what seems to be a complicated question. Why should we pray, when God has already planned out the course of our lives in advance? “I’m not clear on what God’s plan is for me.” It’s a question most Christians ask.

Our pastor did a sermon once where he said to us, that God’s general plan for all believers is the same. Love one another; spread the gospel; repent from sin, etc. So, generally we all share the same plan for our lives. However, everyone’s life is actually lived in the details of their existence. It is these details, that I believe we are to pray for and about; and these details change the course of our lives.

It is my belief that, today anyway, that God’s plan for me can be represented by a kind of a flow chart scenario. If Barry does this, then he goes this direction until he hits the next decision point, or prayer point, and then he will move in that direction until the next point, etc. All of the eventual outcomes of this flow chart end up at the same place according to God’s general plan. All of the detail things that I need to accomplish, things I pray about, things I want or don’t want to happen are incorporated into this flow chart as well.

To me this kind of explains how God sovereignty can co-exist with the need to pray. I believe that my prayers change the course of my life as well as those I pray for and I can rest assured that God’s plan for me under His control.

Thanks Again for the great article!

Blessings,

Barry

Jack Wellman September 26, 2012 at 8:26 pm

Thank you so kindly Barry. Your pastor is right. God will never reveal any special or hidden will of His until we obey the revealed will, i.e. Romans 12. Yes, prayers do change things…I believe they change us more than God’s mind because we learn to pray in God’s will and His will can become our will.

Steven September 26, 2012 at 12:30 pm

I think that people who try to pass on things because God is sovereign are lazy. The Father made Jesus die on the Cross, that is an example of His complete Sovereignty, for even the Son only fulfills the will of The Father.

I have however seen the dramatic effects of prayer. Even when I felt forsaken as if God just forgot about me, I still had my prayers answered. It didn’t dawn on me until later what The Father was doing and planning, but now I understand why He did what I did. In short, I have both seen His absolute sovereign will mold my life, and I have seen Him step in to help me when I asked.

Jack Wellman September 26, 2012 at 8:28 pm

Amen Steven. This is so good. I love how you have ascribed the death of Jesus on the Cross to the will of the Father (Isaiah 53) and yes sir, Jesus came to fulfill the will of the Father. Great point friend. Thank you.

Paul February 28, 2013 at 4:01 am

I couldnt pass this comment by without replying to it. You state that “the Father MADE Jesus die on the Cross” Love has to be a choice. Jesus fulfilled the will of the Father however he CHOSE to die on the Cross for you and me.

Jack Wellman February 28, 2013 at 11:51 am

Yes, love is a choice as 1 John 3:16 says, “Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.” but also Isaiah 53:10 says:

“Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him. He has put Him to grief when you make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand. He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great.”

That this was God’s plan was also the testimony of St. Peter to the Church in 1 Peter 1:20 where he wrote that God, knowing all things, had ordained this plan for man’s salvation before the creation: He [Jesus] was marked out before the world was made and was revealed at the final point of time for your sake. That this is indeed God’s plan is also affirmed by the denial of Jesus’ request that He be spared the “cup of suffering” if it was possible when He prayed His final prayer to the Father in the Garden of Gethsemane [see Matthew 26:36-46; Mark 14:32-42; Luke 22:40-46] to “let this cup pass from me.” Denied this request Jesus submits to God’s will with the words: “My Father,…if this cup cannot pass by, but I must drink it, your will be done!” This submission to God’s divinely orchestrated plan is evident as Jesus chastised St. Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane when Peter drew his sword to defend his Master against Temple guards and Roman soldiers sent to arrest Jesus [see John 18:11]. Jesus rebuked Peter saying, Put your sword back in its scabbard; am I not to drink the cup that THE FATHER has given me?”

In ALL of Isaiah 53, we see the clearest example of Jesus the Suffering Savior taking the guilt of his people on himself. And perhaps one of the most amazing things about this is that it was his Father’s will for it to be so! The Lord himself ordained and willed that his precious Son would die at the hands of wicked men, so as to fulfill His plan for salvation!

The Lord’s will was to crush Jesus and cause him to suffer. Let that statement sit with you for a moment. What an absolutely profound thing that is!

Why is this so? What could be the reason that God would will such a thing? It is because in so doing, God the Father makes his (Jesus’) life “an offering for sin.” In other words, Jesus was to be the “scapegoat” for the sins of his people. In theological terms, this is called Penal Substitutionary Atonement.

Perhaps the most graphic and prominent portrayal of this concept of Penal Substitution is in Isaiah 53:5-6, “But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all” (emphasis mine). These verses could not be more evident about the fact that the Messiah’s role would be one of bearing the punishment that others deserve!

Thus we can see that God the Father send his Son Jesus here to earth to die. It was always a part of His redemptive plan, and it most clearly shows us that God loves us. 1 John 4:9-10 says, “This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

Does this help clear it up sir? Nothing happens outside of the will of God the Father and that included Jesus’ death.

Andrew Knox September 26, 2012 at 2:53 pm

I love what it was He prayed for in John 17…that we would have unity! His prayer reveals how challenging it is for us to be unified…so much so that Jesus sought the father on our behalf specifically for this. I touch on this in my blog on teachingdaddy.com. My kids revealed an amazing truth to me.

Jack Wellman September 26, 2012 at 8:29 pm

Love this post Andrew. I know that at times it feels that I have learned more from my children and grandchildren than I have taught them. I’ll have to check out your blog.

Derek Hill September 27, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Wonderful job Jack. God is sovereign always and being connected to Him in prayer is being loyal and obedient to His sovereignty. I can’t tell you how many times that prayer has done miraculous things in my life. One of the best examples is my beautiful daughter. I prayed and pleaded for 2 1/2 years before she was conceived. I am living proof of John 1:13. God’s timing is always perfect.

Jack Wellman October 1, 2012 at 6:19 pm

Thank you Derek. I love your example for truly nothing like children are an accident and as for living proof of John 1:13, excellent. I believe that God’s sovereignty brought you here to us…to this site and your fellow sisters and brothers in Christ. And I thank God for you Derek.

Sam Jones September 29, 2012 at 4:24 pm

Hello Jack, this has nothing to do with the article but I really want an answer to this question. Is Jesus God? Because I have read that Jesus was God.

Jack Wellman September 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm

Thank you Sam. This belief by many is an anti-Christ belief that Jesus is not God. Many, many Scriptures testify to Jesus as God. Jesus was God is not enough for if He WAS God He still IS God for a God can not ever cease being God.

Just read the Gospel of John which is John’s focus that Jesus is God. Take the following for example:

John 1:1 – “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 1:14 – “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

John 5:18 – “For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.”

John 8:24 – “I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.” (Note: In the Greek, “He” is not there.)

John 8:58 – “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.’”

John 10:30-33 – “I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”

John 20:28 – “Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Col. 2:9 – “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”

Phil. 2:5-8 – “Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

Is this enough for there are literally dozens and dozens of such Scripture that are proof-text.

Sam Jones October 1, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Thank you, I was raised in a Christian family but they didn’t talk about religion a lot so I wanted to know more about it because I didn’t understand it. This site has renewed my faith.

Henry Jose September 30, 2012 at 1:12 am

Good Work Sir, i read only one sentence from this article, JESUS WAS GOD AND MAN STILL HE KNEW THE IMPORTANCE OF PRAYER, this is enough to explain the all powerful value of prayer, praise be to God.

Henry Jose September 30, 2012 at 1:16 am

The greatest prayer and miracle ever performed by Jesus was, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing”, Let us take this as an example to learn to love our enemies and increase the strength of our prayer such that even at great difficulties we will have the ultimate faith that our prayer will be answered, Amen.

Jack Wellman October 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm

Thank you so much sir for your kind words. I love the statement you made to pray for our enemies and that our prayers increase in strength and veracity as our trials increase. Amen to that Henry.

obi December 11, 2012 at 10:35 pm

I believe GOD is sovereign, but in the light.Note there is no darkness in HIM and HE is the father of light.We know there are those who are in darkness.I believe we have willpower or power of choose,that is one of the reason our GOD is love.The willpower can only be influence by GOD or the devil, i think that is one of the reason why we are not robot. He which we submit to becomes our master,if not ,we should not blame the sinner,homosexual,killer e.t c. probably GOD has predestined them like that.But i believe it is their choose.Life is all about choose.We are predestined in christ unto life,and when we submit to his words in full at right times GODS plans is fullfill in our lives.I believe prayer help us also to know HIS will apart from the bible and recieve strenght to do them . Prayer also help us to escape some temptation(matthew 26:41).Open to correction if i am wrong.

Rainey March 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm

Hello Jack,
I had a few questions. I was just wondering going really off topic but i am practicing the Christian life and learning a lot of things about it. I have learned that there are people in the music industry called the illuminati and they are people who sell there soul to the devil for fame and money. I was wondering how you would know what music artist is an illuminati and who’s not? Would that be a bad thing if i listened to a song with clean lyrics but that artist sold there sould to the devil??? I need help on what i can listen to and can’t!
Also i was wondering if Christians are aloud to wear a cross necklace?????

Jack Wellman March 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm

I see nothing wrong with wearing a cross. Today’s equivalent would be like wearing an electric chair or a syringe with a lethal injection for the cross at the time of Christ was symbol of death, shame, and a curse.

As for listening to lyrics that are not evil, even if a person “had sold their soul to the Devil”, it is not wrong to listen to lyrics of a person not saved, but only if the lyrics don’t glorify sin. I am not sure a person can sell their soul to the Devil. There is nothing in the Bible that says that is even possible. What would the Devil do with a human soul? He too is damned to judgment even as those who have rejected Christ as Lord and Savior.

viliame July 10, 2013 at 9:08 pm

What a blessing to read this article,praised be the name of our God,helped me see a great light in his word about praying..thank you

Don Beck March 8, 2018 at 9:08 am

Ephesians chapter 1 and 2 are powerful Scriptures that reveal God’s effectual calling of those who would be saved as it says, “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure” (Eph 1:4-5). How amazing that God predetermined to save us before the earth even existed! Man may think that he is leading his own life, but God actually directs his steps (Prov 16:9, 19:21).
How can you make a statement like that and then say prayer changes things?? Our lives are all planned out an we are the tool that God uses to carry out His sovereignty. Man can do nothing to change the mind of God!

Jack Wellman March 8, 2018 at 10:22 am

Hello my friend. Jesus commanded us to pray…always, so why would He if He knew it wouldn’t do anything? Prayer doesn’t change God but prayer moves the hand of God to change things…including us! Man cannot change God but man can move God to change things thru prayer. Why else would we ever pray? Yes, our lives our planned out but part of God’s plan is to have us pray!





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