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Ron Bingham January 12, 2018 at 6:03 pm

I’ll ask the same question, “Why aren’t churches discipling those who are attending them?”
Pastors are called to disciple – not to fill rooms – and this is a problem.
Perhaps what we see isn’t so much the problem of pastors who don’t want to disciple but the fulfillment of 2 Timothy 4:3 where today, we have grown churches through those who don’t want sound teaching and go where they can have their own sinful passions ignored by, or approved of, by pastors who would rather please people than please God. Galatians 1:10. Many say it’s hard to find a good church and I agree.

Many of today’s churches seek to become wider (in number) and not deeper (spiritually): meaning they grow in number without life changing teaching. We should not be seeking a “better life” because our Lord has promised us a “new life”. Salvation make us a new creation not a better one.

The one word I think describes what discipleship is all about, better than any other, is that discipleship, in my opinion, is all about surrender! We cannot obey the Commands of the Lord without first surrendering to His will.

We cannot be “filled” without first “emptying” ourselves. As long as we our “filled with ourselves” there’s no room for God to do anything through us which is exactly what God wants from us.

What else is to be said? Churches are all too often filled with entertainment, pleasantries, nice people sitting around talking about being nice but not putting themselves out there.

Discipleship asks the question: “Who and what are we going to follow? The path Jesus has given us to follow or our own paths?”

Nathan January 12, 2018 at 11:47 pm

To me, the most amazing thing about discipleship is that Jesus commanded his disciples to make more disciples and teach them the same things he taught the original disciples. So Jesus’ commands to his disciples to heal the sick and live supernaturally even apply to us disciples today!

Jack Wellman January 13, 2018 at 10:41 am

Hello Nathan. I agree that God still does miracles but humans have never, ever done any miracles. It is God Who works through people to achieve HIs means and He has never promised healing for everyone. Miracles are fine but the greatest miracle is that of human conversion and being used by God as a means to save others. Isn’t that eternally more important than just having someone healed?

Joe Fincham December 16, 2018 at 10:40 pm

Because discipleship is ‘messy’. It’s costly..in time, money, and going out of your way for someone else even when your schedule is already tight! Discipleship is all about relationships. And Jesus didn’t call us just to make converts…he said make disciples! It wasn’t a vague suggestion..it was a command!

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