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Barbara Hagan July 24, 2015 at 12:05 pm

Dear Pastir Wellman,

I have ofter wondered where the story about Lucifer and his angels battling against the angels that were loyal to God comes from. It seems to be a story that everyone knows, yet it does not appear in the Bible. Is it just an oral tradition, or does the story appear in full somewhere?

Thank you for the Bible passages that support the narrative of the Lucifer story. I would like to know where the original narrative comes from.

Thank you.

Barbara Hagan July 24, 2015 at 12:06 pm

That should read “Dear Pastor Wellman.” Sorry for the typo.

Jack Wellman July 24, 2015 at 12:22 pm

Thank you Mrs./Ms. Hagan. I would say that the original narrative is what I quoted out of Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 14 and 18. Did you read these chapters? It is, at least to me, strongly evident the Lucifer’s pride caused his fall as pride always results in a fall. I don’t know what you mean by the original narrative? I only use the Bible as my source and that is as original as it gets since it is “God-breathed.” This might give you more on the reason that Lucifer (Satan) fell at this link: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2015/07/22/was-lucifer-a-fallen-angel-a-bible-study/ Do you not believe that he fell? Thank you for your comment and question.

Barbara Hagan July 25, 2015 at 11:03 am

Dear Pastor Wellman,

Thank you for responding. Yes, I do believe he fell. The narrative I am referring to is the one about God creating the Angels Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer. When God creates man and tells the Angels to bow down to him, Lucifer rebels and there’s a war between Lucifer and the Angels who support him and Micheal and the Angels loyal to God. Then Lucifer is cast down and forever tries to steal souls away from God.

This is a terrible paraphrase of the story, mainly for brevity. Everyone seems to know this story but no one seems to know its source, as it is not in the Bible. Is it just folklore that fills in the details of the Scripture passages you quoted? Just wondering.

Jack Wellman July 25, 2015 at 11:25 am

I see what you mean now. Thank you. There is just so much we don’t know. Thank you for your patience with me. I agree. Much mystery abounds…someday we shall know in full.

Barbara Hagan July 25, 2015 at 1:42 pm

Actually, I thank YOU for your patience with me.

God bless you, Pastor Wellman.

zach September 23, 2019 at 7:06 am

I think you are referring to revelations Chapter 12, This is the battle of the angels vs satans (red dragon) army.

And i feel personally this is when satan is cast out of heaven to the pit.

In Isaiah it says how you from heaven, but in genesis is says God created the HEAVENS and earth. So in Isaiah i think he fell from one heaven to another and then is finally banished in revelations.

Greg Biggs March 22, 2019 at 9:13 am

The fact that this narrative is nowhere in Genesis supports the evidence that Moses had been Godly inspired to write the Pentateuch. If not Godly inspired, Moses, a man, would have conveniently written a more detailed drama of the angelic rebellion. Thus, we have to wait years later to read any details of the evil ones’ fall.

Jack Wellman March 22, 2019 at 9:30 am

Hello Mr. Biggs. The New Testament states that “all Scriputre is inspired by God” and Jesus spoke of Moses with respect, but the Book of Genesis is not where Lucifer or Satan’s fall occured. The Scriptures have been mentioned, so why don’t you believe the Word?

Jack Wellman July 25, 2015 at 1:49 pm

You are welcome, although I was not much help. May God richly bless you Mrs./Ms. Hagan as I perceive you have a hunger for the Word.

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