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DocReits July 15, 2014 at 8:32 pm

Hi Crystal,

Great Article on an important topic. I started writing opinion pieces back in the late 80’s about our societies ever increasing intolerance in the name of tolerance. Mainly, as you pointed out it involved society’s ever increasing tolerance of all opinion as long as those opinions did not differ from their own.

I also understand your position on respect for others in the midst of our disagreement with them. I would suggest a definition on this point of “respect”. D. Bonhoeffer’s idea of respect was to join in an assassination attempt upon Hitler’s life. He reasoned that God was calling him in that direction. Have you read Mataxes recent biography of Bonhoeffer titled the same. Bonhoeffer did not survive his decision. He did not respect Hitler.

While being civil to the abortion and LGBT lobby and cadre which are sweeping our country I, who call myself a Christian am anything but respectful to their position or to them. Now, I am civil( I don’t yell, spit at them, or call them names), although they have done this to me.

I let them know in no uncertain terms that they are dead wrong, unnatural, contrary to nature and are destroying civilization as we have known it for over 200 years in our country and for 6,000 years since man and woman have existed. Now you know why they yell at me…;-)

So yes, I despise their beliefs. I try and ask God to help me love them and will share with them about Salvation, although this lobby knows already my position, and are pretty well decided upon their course.

It is the “others” I hope to influence who are watching and listening. So I remain civil, but I do not define this as you might be doing in your article. I think civil is what you call respect. Civil is what God requires of me. Respect is what others “earn”. Do you agree?

I “Do Not” expect you to respond to me as you never have and are the ghost writer here much like a few others on the site. I think you should respond though because , IMO, you are dead wrong! There is a challenge to wake your pen up. Now, to be clear, I respect you, for you have earned that through what I have read over the years from your articles. I do not respect the enemies of the Cross.

Blessings,

DocReits

Judebug July 16, 2014 at 10:21 pm

DocReits, you are expecting non Christians to act and think in godly terms and they cannot do that according to Romans 8:7 ” “For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.”

God does not expect them to obey Him, for without the Spirit of Christ, they don’t have the ability to follow Him. They are at the mercy of their sin nature, therefore, follow after their desires and lusts.

Not so with those that belong to Christ. Romans 12:16-21 “Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be conceited. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord. To the contrary, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

See DocReits, “overcome evil with good.” This is the Christlikeness that we are called to as followers of Christ. And that is what Crystal is saying in her article. Romans 12:2 “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind…” We are to influence through our love!! Jesus won us with His love, not condemnation, and we are to win people by our love and not condemning them. Your disdain is to be toward sin, not sinners. We are to be Jesus with skin on in whatever corner of the world God places us.

DocReits July 17, 2014 at 11:25 pm

Hi Judebug,

I appreciate your kind reply and good Word you cited in contrasting good and evil. You are absolutely correct in what you said and quoted.

Do you recall Junebug how I suggested to Crystal that we should define the term “respect”? It is in my second paragraph. I think we should do that right now to help you understand my position:

“Re·spect

verb:
admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
“she was respected by everyone she worked with”
synonyms: esteem, admire, think highly of, have a high opinion of, hold in high regard, hold in (high) esteem, look up to, revere, reverence, honor ”

Now look in Crystal’s article under the “R” for respect. There she says,

“It is possible with the help of the Holy Spirit to respect other’s opinions with grace”. Remember the word “opinion” there Judebug.

Let’s revisit my comment to Crystal. I said we should treat others who differ with us in a civil manner, but that is much different than respecting their opinions. Do you understand the difference Judebug?

Let me make it clearer for us. I often speak with those who believe in abortion. I spoke about a month ago with a female patient of mine who believed not only in abortion through 9 months of pregnancy, but also that parents should have the option to kill their newborns during the first two years of life, after birth. “No kidding!”, your gasp right there and your unbelief is also what I was going through.

I spent some time in trying to rationally explain to her why her opinion was in error, to no avail. Now here is my point. I treated her in a very civil manner and we parted at the end of her exam, but I in no way could I say that I respected her opinion. Her opinion was a vile thing that came up like bile in my throat!

I despised, hated and loathed her opinion, let alone not respecting it. It was a heinous opinion! Now C’mon Judebug…Can you, in good Christian conscience agree with Crystal’s statement that I should have respected her opinion?(look back at the definition above again of “respect” before you answer). Before you try to defend Crystal, on this point, remember Christians are’t supposed to lie…;-)

I hope that helped you Judebug, with the reason for my reply to Crystal, over this oftentimes confusing idea of the Christian’s duties regarding behaving in a civil manner(which we are called to do) vs respecting other’s opinions.

Blessings,

DocReits

Judebug July 18, 2014 at 12:04 am

Ok, DocReits, I see what you are saying about their opinions. But, you have to admit that this person wanting to kill babies, up until they are 2, is no new thing. Look in the OT! Not only did they want to, but they did burn children alive on alters!

Those, without the Holy Spirit in them, can not reason Biblicaly and we should never expect a morale answer, or morale actions, from them. We should be shocked when they do give us a morale answer and not when they don’t.

So, yes, don’t respect their sinful opinion but use each and every opportunity to lead them to Truth, but not to argue their evilness to them. Remember, yu too were once caught in your evil sinful nature, but God in His mercy, granted you repentance and redemption. The Holy Spirit’s the only one who can bring conviction and He comes to us to convict, convince, and convert a person. We are to show them Christ, tell them about His love and truth that comes to free us from sin and death, then get out of the way and let God Humble them under His mighty hand.
Judebug

hilton schultze November 22, 2016 at 9:16 am

Helps me h my bible study.

Jack Wellman November 22, 2016 at 9:30 am




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