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Dr. Michael L. Williams is a pastor, author, Christian educator and Biblical counselor who has served in ministry since 2001. Dr. Mike holds under-graduate through post graduate degrees in Christian Education and formerly worked as a nurse. He is a Christ-centered counselor and in addition to counseling, he teaches how to overcome life issues Biblically on topics such as anger management, marriage, addictions, and other subjects typically referred to as mental illnesses. Dr. Mike has worked in the information technology field for many years and he uses his talents and experience in the ministry for the glory of the Lord. Dr. Mike and his wife, Pamela Rose, live in Northeast Ohio and they have children and grandchildren that live in various states. Learn more about Dr. Mike at Christianity Every Day.
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This article did not answer my question, which wasn’t really if humans exist before conception. It does adequately answer what it set out to answer… but, it touched on my question in the Ecc. 12:7 quote about the spirit. Going back to the bridge analogy, there was iron in the forge before it was cast, and there was ore in the ground before it was mined. We would not call it a bridge at that point, however, if that iron was spirit that came from God instead of a ferrous ore that came from the earth, would “spirit” have awareness? Would the raw materials that form a human preexist and convey any of those properties into the newly formed human? Can deep call to deep (Ps 42:7) in the waters of the womb in this context?
Hello Laurel. Nothing existed before God and there was no matter before the creation, of course, The spirit is our human spirit but Solomon’s context, which is found in the entire chapter, is about living this life and getting older (Ecl 12:1-7) and not about the eternal state of man after judgment. Context means everything in this verse. Thank you for your question.
Sorry but your reply is incomplete and does not answer the question by Laurel.
If all the scriptures are is “story telling and metaphors” we are for sure in trouble.
Please forgive me for my forwardness but these type answers confuse people.
Thank you for your work
Thank you sir, but what would you answer? What would your answer be? Please let us hear it pastor. We existed before creation, but only in God’s mind. WE could not have existed physically before, but only after conception. It is easy to criticize others, but usually it is fair to offer your own answer. We recieved our spirit, the human spirit, only after conception. The Bible supports no further view and to speculate is a slippery slope.
Christ tells us we must be “born again” (born from above) born of woman…the fallen angels refused to be born of woman and came to Earth contrary to God’s will.. (Jude) God hated Esau before he became flesh…this flesh is a platform for us to choose whom we will serve….
Hello Mr. Bouldin. I believe angels can never be born again. They are spirit and spirit cannot be born again. I see no examples in the Bible and angels were not able to be born of a woman because they existed long before humans did.
If as you stated above, God for knew all who would follow Him and who would not, how is there a choice to chose God or reject Him? I thought we had choice and that and after the fall of Satan in Genesis 1:1, is when God gave us that choice.
Jesus said whomever will come to Me may have eternal life, so all those who choose God do so if they come. Jesus will not come to you. We do have choice and are responsible for our choices, but read Romans 1 and 2 to see that humans in general, still reject God and His existence because of their immoral lifestyle. God cannot be completely understood, nor His ways made known fully. We trust Him anyway.
Let me first of all thank almighty for leading me today to the most imported topic “Did humans existed with God before they were born.” I am one person who believe in how you completely explained by laying out biblical facts which are explicitly and vividly comprehensible. I pray that all human beings alike ask almighty through his Holy Spirit to permanently open our spiritual eyes to see and understand his word.
No scripture Galatians 6:23 exists