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Richard October 26, 2016 at 5:23 pm

God bless you Jack.

Jack Wellman October 26, 2016 at 6:09 pm

Thank you Richard. All glory to God, for sure.

DocReits October 27, 2016 at 1:02 am

Beautifully stated Pastor Jack. A question might be asked, “which comes first, belief or repentance”? Would you argue that conviction comes first to spur our understanding of our position. That position being our separation and lostness from God and subsequent destination….hell?

But understanding or conviction is not belief is it? One might feel guilty or ashamed for being caught by the police, but that is not the same as penitent either, is it?

After much soul searching I believe that true salvation involves a sovereign move of the Holy Spirit which involves conviction in the heart of the individual which includes both belief and repentance at the same time. If not simultaneously, very close. An example would be in Acts on the day of Pentecost when the hearers of Peter were convicted and asked what they should do.

Am I wrong here? I would love to hear your thoughts.

DocReits

Jack Wellman October 27, 2016 at 8:56 am

Thank you Doc. I do see your point my friend. Conviction comes, as you said, from a move of the Holy Spirit. Unbelievers don’t know this conviction because they don’t have the Spirit working in their hearts to soften them.

Pamela Rose Williams October 27, 2016 at 10:18 am

Very great food for thought Doc, I like to look to Ephesians 1:12-14 for what comes first (bearing in mind that repentance is the English word for the Greek metanoia, which means “change of mind”).
“That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

So it goes like this:

1. You hear the gospel of your salvation (and you agree with God)
2. You trust Christ
3. You are sealed with the holy Spirit of promise

So then, I believe repentance comes when you hear AND then after you believe Holy Spirit indwells you and now you are able to “sin” “less” … not that we ever become “sinless” this side of heaven. Also, Holy Spirit is Who even allows us to call Jesus our Lord (1 Cor 12:3). Conviction comes from the Father, according to the Bible (John 6:44).

Jack Wellman October 27, 2016 at 10:57 am

You said it better than I did. thank you Pam. I love how Doc loves to dig deep into the Word and this shows me that this precious brother in Christ has a hunger and thirst for God. I thank God for Doc and for you too my beloved sister in Christ.

DocReits October 28, 2016 at 6:24 pm

Thank you Pam and Pastor Jack. Your words are well received.

Blessings,

DocReits

Jack Wellman October 28, 2016 at 6:45 pm

Thank you Doc. Keep us on our toes bro. No one is above correction.

laurieabraham July 26, 2017 at 7:49 am

there are hundred and three verses in context,of referring and agreeing with all redeemed,in the bible,yet Christians are so,churchified,I call them,they cannot,conceive the concept of all redeemed,by Jesus Christ at the cross.They are so manipulated and controlled by the church,there afraid to believe in the freedom of knowing their already redeemed,by Jesus at the cross,without having to believe to get redeemed.

Jack Wellman July 26, 2017 at 9:21 am

Thank you so much. I hope you don’t mean all churches as it sounds like in your comment. This is true in some cases, but most churches do not control their people like that. Maybe yours did, but not all. Who would be afraid to believe? Wow. Please don’t make it sound like “Christians are so churchified” which you know that is not true of them all.





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