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DocReits February 23, 2015 at 8:59 pm

Hi Robert,

Well done as always Robert!

Very difficult to help the unbelievers who are convinced of the “rightness” of their worldview. Although I have listened to many naturalists, there is no room for God in a natural world where one is convinced that the supernatural does not exist.

We can pray that the Holy Spirit breaks down the strongholds of their prison, but like the 83 year old friend of the family I mentioned to you, a devout naturalist… he died this past Fall having ceased any communication with me as I had plead with him to just take the gamble that God is out there. He refused…maybe in his last thoughts the Holy Spirit broke through. I like to think so.

What does the naturalist gain by his/her unbelief in the supernatural? When death occurs they believe their consciousness goes on. Isn’t it ironic that “consciousness’ is immaterial and ranks with science, math, energy, and love in not having any material? They are all unnatural and yet the naturalist does not refute their existence.

When death occurs they, like all of us, look for meaning. Why are we here, and what happens after death? It is so logical and so real to embrace an all loving God who created this incredibly fashioned universe. He created us to return Glory to Himself for all of His Majesty, partially revealed in His creation. We do that by turning from our sin and believing in His Son Jesus…His death for our sins…and believing in His Bodily Resurrection.

I agree with you Robert that some evidence speaks to us based upon our worldview, but I also believe that most evidence speaks to all men, independent of their worldview or interpretation. Man is left without excuse for not only denying, but, in reality actually rejecting God, whose Hand they see continually.

Therefore I would rephrase this statement, “they are not in a position to recognize truth when they see it” to something like this, “all men see the truth at some level in their souls…their worldview persuading or dissuading them to accept it”. Scripture says it best:

“For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.”(Rom 1:19, 20)

Men will not suffer condemnation because of their worldview. They are condemned already. All of us are (myself included). We do not have to remain condemned though. I found my rescuer from hell, and so can your readers.

“Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”(John 3:18)

Jesus! I pray we all believe in Him today.

Again great article and God Bless you,

DocReits

Robert February 24, 2015 at 7:50 am

Good to hear from you, Doc,

As for the 83 yr. old friend of your family, I too have known those who have staunchly rejected Jesus right up to their deathbed; however, as you said, I hope and pray that they had a change of heart at that last second and that they are now with the Lord in paradise.

Concerning whether or not God’s existence is apparent to all, you are absolutely right. I wrote an article about this very subject (http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/do-atheists-really-believe-there-is-no-god/) where I present the biblical evidence for believing that everyone knows that God exists and, as you said, no one has an excuse for not repenting and following Him.

You are also right about one not being stuck in their worldview; the power of God can change one’s foundational beliefs. As a matter of fact, those who remain dedicated to a naturalistic, Godless, worldview do so willingly and, I believe (and the Bible supports) in spite of what they actually know to be true.

I am reminded of one time when I was reading someone’s commentary concerning this verse, “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised” (I Corinthians 2:14), that the commentator (can’t remember who it was right now) said that this verse carries the idea that the unspiritual man is unspiritual because he willfully chooses to be that way. In other words, he ‘cannot’ understand the ‘things of the Spirit of God’ because he chooses to ‘not accept them’.

God bless you, Doc. I am always challenged and humbled by your comments. I thank God for your commitment to Him and His kingdom.

Yours in Christ,
Robert

Laura Robertson February 24, 2015 at 7:31 pm

Robert – I am troubled by your article because I am a Christian, but I believe that scientists have, over time, found strong evidence to support both the theories of evolution and the Big Bang. In fact, there has never been any observable phenomena to disprove those theories because, had there been, those theories would no longer be put forth as viable. The theory of evolution is like the theory of the Trinity in that both are our best guesses based on the evidence we have about how the mind of God works. Further, the fact that I believe both to be viable theories, rather than certain truths, does not in any way call into question my salvation. However, I feel concerned for all those who aren’t saved because they have been told that in order to be saved they must believe the Bible is not only as theological document but a scientific one as well. I would appreciate any thoughts you have. Sincerely, Laura Robertson

Robert February 26, 2015 at 8:47 am

Laura, thank you for reading and commenting,

As I know that it is sometimes difficult to tell one’s tone in an email or comment online, let me assure you that everything I say is said with love and concern for you and anyone who might read anything I’ve written. Please do not take what I say as an attack on you, it is not. However, I am very concerned with those who reject God and who call into question the truth and veracity of the Bible.

I understand that there are those who struggle with the issue of creation and evolution. That is the reason for articles such as this one. Let me first put your mind at ease by reassuring you, and others, that our salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus died on a cross to pay for your sins and mine and, when as we repent and trust Him for forgiveness of sins, we are saved.

I would like to respond to your comments by first including your comment and then addressing that comment. It seems to be the simplest way of responding to everything you’ve written. Thank you for your patience.

You wrote: “In fact, there has never been any observable phenomena to disprove those theories because, had there been, those theories would no longer be put forth as viable.”
As I wrote in the article, evidence must be interpreted. There is no evidence for evolution; there are only observable facts that evolutionists interpret as supporting their theory. However, creationists can also interpret the very same facts as supporting creation. Both evolutionists and creationists work with the very same “evidence”; however, they each come to opposite conclusion because they each begin with different worldviews (or presuppositions). The creationist attributes the existence of the universe to God while the secular evolutionist denies that God even exists.

You wrote: “The theory of evolution is like the theory of the Trinity in that both are our best guesses based on the evidence we have about how the mind of God works.”
The main difference in the ‘theory’ of evolution and the ‘theory’ of the Trinity is that one comes from the Bible and one does not. The Bible does indicate that the Trinity is a reality; it does not support a Godless universe. [Now, there are Christians who believe that God somehow employed evolution to create the universe. I am not addressing those ideas in this article. This article is against the idea that Godless evolutionary processes are responsible for the existence of the universe and all that it includes.]

You wrote: “Further, the fact that I believe both to be viable theories, rather than certain truths, does not in any way call into question my salvation.”
While your salvation is based on faith in Jesus Christ, creation and secular evolution are at polar opposites of one another. One says that God did it and one says that God had nothing to do with it. While not believing in creation may not affect your salvation it definitely affects your view concerning the authority of the Bible. The theory of naturalistic evolution tells us that the universe, and everything in it, came about by the operation of mindless forces. The Bible tells us that God created everything. This is an issue of authority; do we take fallible humanity’s word over God’s Word? Is our worldview formed from a study of the Bible, guided by the Holy Spirit working within us? Or do we allow some, who do not even acknowledge God’s existence, to coerce us into believing God had nothing to do with creation and has nothing to do with our lives now?

You commented: “However, I feel concerned for all those who aren’t saved because they have been told that in order to be saved they must believe the Bible is not only as theological document but a scientific one as well.”
My article is directed at those who do not believe God exists; therefore, they attribute creation to something other than God. It is not required that one views the Bible as a science book; however, when the Bible says that God created the universe, we should take that as the truth. Genesis clearly says that “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1 NASB). So, either we believe the Bible, that God created everything, or we believe those who reject God and say that everything came about by chance and random forces.

God bless you, Laura.

Yours in Christ,
Robert

Laura Robertson February 26, 2015 at 9:38 am

Robert – Thank you for your kind and specific response to my comments. I appreciate the way you state your position in a gracious, rather than condescending, way and that you respect my opinions. This is a subject that has weighed on my heart for a long time because I love the Lord while also enjoy studying the intricacies of science and the natural world that He so marvelously created. I think, at the end of the day, we’re of the same mind in that we both believe the universe is the creation of a loving God rather than the result of random forces. In Him – Laura

Robert February 26, 2015 at 10:03 am

Laura,
I don’t think that a condescending attitude is what Jesus would have us have. We are all, believers and non-believers, created in the image of God; therefore, we all have God-given worth.
I don’t see why there has to be any conflict between science and a belief in God. After all, as you mentioned, we are studying His creation. And I agree with you that we both agree that we exist in God’s created universe.
It has been a pleasure talking to you and, if you have any questions that I might be able to answer, please feel free to ask.
Yours in Christ,
Robert





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