Are There Still Prophets Today?

by Jack Wellman · Print Print · Email Email

Today, we hear of modern day prophets prophesying about things to come that are outside of the Word of God.  Are these true prophets of God?  What does the Bible say about prophets and what is the true test to validate if modern day prophets are what and who they claim to be?

ARE THERE STILL PROPHETS TODAYOld Testament Prophets

The Old Testament is full of prophets. There are the Major Prophets and the Minor Prophets.  The Minor Prophets are not minor because they are unimportant.  It is because their books are relatively minor in size when compared to the larger books of the prophets like Isaiah.  These men were called by God and God spoke to them and they normally would say, “Thus says the Lord“ when they prophesied (Jer 26:2). When the Old Testament prophets prophesied, their prophecies always came to pass. Prophets like Jeremiah, Elijah, Ezekiel, Joel, and many others had historical events prove that they were sent from God and that they spoke the words that God gave them to speak, but there were also dozens of false prophets.

Today there are many so-called prophets that we might spell “profits” because they are motivated by money and make sensational claims.  They promise financial blessings for anyone that sends in their “seeds of faith.”  They even claim to know how many viewers or listeners there will be and that they will have their mortgage paid off or see their business prosper if they send in their offerings today.  Truly God does not work this way.  These are wolves in sheep’s clothing.  What makes me say that they are really in it for money and not for God’s purposes?  God knows that,The conspiracy of her prophets in her midst is like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured human lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in her midst (Ezek 22:25). These false prophets claim to have a special revelation from God and can prophesy about things, people, and events that are to come.   You see many on TV, on the Internet, and on radio that claim to be modern day prophets.

In Deuteronomy 18:18, there was a prophecy from Moses about a prophet that would come in the latter days and what He would say and do: I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth.  He will tell them everything I command him.” This was one of the first prophecies about Jesus Christ.  Like Moses, Jesus would bring people out of their sin, like Moses brought Israel out of Egypt (representing sin).  He, like Moses, would bring them to the Promised Land, which for believers is the Kingdom of Heaven.  One of the greatest tests of whether a prophet was sent from God or not would actually be if God put the words in his mouth.  Now let’s see what God says about whether they are indeed true prophets from God or if they are a self-proclaiming prophet, thus making them a false prophet.

False Prophets Test

What was the test to see if a prophet was truly from God or was a false prophet?  The litmus test for whether a prophet is from God or is a self-made (man-made) prophet is given in many different places in the Old Testament. In Deuteronomy 18:22-23 it says, If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.”   Today, these so-called prophets should be thankful that they did not live in the Old Testament days for the penalty for being a false prophet was death!

Isaiah writes in 8:20,God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.” Jeremiah said that, “among the prophets of Jerusalem.  I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that not one of them turns from their wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah (Jer 23:14).

Predictions of False Prophets

John actually saw the increase of false prophets as a sign of the end times and he commanded believers to not believe them. In 1 John 4:1 he wrote, friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” Jesus said that in the last days, many false prophets will appear and deceive many people (Matt 24:11). Jesus and John’s prophecies came true in their day and they are increasing in number in our day.  I have been in churches where some have prophesied about things that neither came true or that did not square with the Word of God.  God is not giving new revelation today because we have all the revelation we need with the New Testament and the Old Testament.  Jesus warned us to “watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves (Matt 7:15).  Further, Peter wrote that there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.  Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping (2 Pet 2:1-3).

Warnings of Adding Too or Taking Away From the Word of God

God gives a serious warning to anyone who adds to or who takes away from the words in the Bible.  These warnings were given in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.  I believe that anytime someone tries to add to the Word of God in the sense that they “heard God speak to them” is adding to the canonized Word of God and God takes this very seriously.  In Deuteronomy 12:32 it says, that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.” In Deuteronomy 4:2 it is written, Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. Even in Proverbs 30:6 God says we must not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.”

Even in the New Testament, God thunders out that I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.  And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll (Rev 22:18-19).

Conclusion

We have seen from Scripture that false prophets are in it for the money, they want to seduce people to follow them, they want to deceive others, they strengthen the hands of the evil doers, they do not turn people away from their sins, they introduce heresies, they are motivated by greed, and they crave self-glorification.  The end is not a pretty picture for them.  God will judge them at His return.  As Peter wrote, their fate is sealed for they will be “bringing swift destruction on themselves.  Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping (2 Pet 2:2-3).  If you try to correct them using the Bible, watch out, because they are going to respond to you in a vicious way and even turn on you, for they are ferocious wolves (Matt 7:15).  We have been warned to not believe them, stay away from them, and most importantly, don’t be one!  For the end of every false prophet is worse than can even be imagined.

Looking for some more related articles?

Take a look at these other similar type articles:

 

New International Version Bible (NIV)
THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV® Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.™ Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide



Share this post:  |  |  |  | Twitter

{ 116 comments… read them below or add one }

deb July 11, 2012 at 5:58 am

using the niv bible version is taking away the Word of God. many wolves in sheeps’ clothing have been altering this Word. i do not understand how one can in actuality use this version, or any other version, except that of the King James. modern-day so-called prophets who alter the Word, embrace muslims, homosexuals, and preach “feel-good” sermons will indeed be judged harshly by God.

Reply

C Gary July 11, 2012 at 12:04 pm

How does the NIV take away from the word of God? Were people lost before the KJV existed? What about those who speak other languages that cannot use the KJV?

Reply

Nozipho July 17, 2012 at 2:56 am

C Gary, I cannot comment much on all Bible versions I can only say what I know and have discovered about the NIV. I took a NIV and a KJV/NKJV and I compared the 3 versions and the 2 were different from the NIV. Many verses were missing in the NIV and most of the Lord words were replaced. You can get yourself a How many verses are missing in your Bible book and compare. In the NIV the KJV Engish is watered down, diluted and I think its too watered down in the sense that most of the people can read and associate with it but its not par to the original Bible or the one after the original.

Reply

Nozipho July 17, 2012 at 2:46 am

I will have to agree with deb, I used to own a NIV myself a long time ago and my brother who gave me a book ” How well do you know your Bible” and then it carries on to say” look how many verses are missing and words ommitted in your Bible” I was shocked most of the paragraphs where God is replaced with Him where it matters most, where Jesus the Son of Man is replaced with just son of man in the verses that needs to be stressed. The NIV has been tampered with so much. When I realized that I burnt it. Most of the pastors are doing it for the money, they would preach about prosperity right through. Here in RSA you find a church in every corner of the street is obsurd its not even funny. Indeed they will be judged harshly and the souls of the children of God will be asked on them. It is true a person need not take everything that is said, you take what will help you along the way and what the Holy Spirit confirms is right and true and of good use. People get so blinded they take whatever they say into practice. We need to go deep in prayer seriously so. God’s People are perishing because of lack of knowledge, declares the Lord.

Reply

Shaston July 11, 2012 at 6:08 am

I like and agree with your article, but there was one point that I had a question about. You said, “I believe that anytime someone tries to add to the Word of God in the sense that they “heard God speak to them” is adding to the canonized Word of God and God takes this very seriously.” Do you not believe that God can speak to us through His still small voice? I have heard God speak to me multiple times.

Thank You. God Bless

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 3:43 pm

Thank you so much Shaston. I do believe that God will speak to us in that quite, still voice but it only speaks to us. My point is that those who say they heard from God and this is what you (someone else) must do. I have heard that inner voice, the Holy Spirit I believe, tell me to do something and it is always doing what Jesus would do. Helping a widow, giving someone a cold bottle of water, etc. The Holy Spirit does always seek to glorify Jesus but it never boasts about the believer’s ability. Does this help. I appreciate hearing from you my friend. Please do come back.

Reply

Nozipho July 17, 2012 at 3:29 am

Jack, I agree with you and the way you have conveyed this. God speaks to us concerning us, and again He speaks to us to speak to the next person/ nation or a group of people ( convey the message God has placed in our hearts) we ought to utter exactly what God had said nothing more nothing less. The moment you add what God did not say or place in your heart then you offend God. The person who conveys the message needs to be faithful and truthful.

Reply

phishing4men August 7, 2012 at 9:28 pm

How do know for sure it was God?

Reply

Johnson Chege July 11, 2012 at 6:58 am

That is what is rightfully described as hitting the nail on the head. There are the end times when people have forsaken the truth and greedly fall to love of money. Nowadays not much of repentance gospel is being preached but gospel of prosperity have overtaken in all stages. Repentance doesnt only mean the altar call prayer since we sometimes fall short of Gods glory hence we require to be rebuked and corrected and this is true since Jesus did show us how to pray. The problem with most believers is that we have become followers of miracles instead of miracles following us and this is where the evil prophets takes the advantage. Let up not forget that the devil has his prophets and they have the spirit that speaks in them. They know the bible and will always quote it to correspond with the messages of blessings but divert the truth attaching it to planting seeds for God to bless us. I believe God can bless up through even being faithful to His word not necessarily sowing a seed. The obedience of living a righteous life can provoke blessing and prosperity since the God will lead us to sowing seeds as thanksgiving but not to sow so that we become rich. That is bribing God which are the wrong intentions. False prophets are everywhere in the churches, streets, some even in their houses and people flock there to be told what God has for them. Most people end up more confused than when they visited them. Lets be alert coz prophecies will cease.

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Amen Johnson. Your words are full of biblical wisdom. Truly, if we do not tell people about their need for repentance, that at present the lost are separated from God by their sins, that the wrath of God still abides on them unless they place their trust in Jesus Christ, they have not heard the full gospel. You make an excellent point. I appreciate your saying that and so wish you were in my local church for we need such godly and wise believers such as you my friend. Thank you and I thank God for you.

Reply

Nozipho July 17, 2012 at 3:31 am

Well said, Amen. Thank you Johnson

Reply

Jeff July 11, 2012 at 7:03 am

Thank you Jack – Also, much of what we read from the biblical prophets of old is the condemnation of sin. We don’t hear much of that from modern day “prophets”. In my recent reading from the book of Amos, I cant help but think of how his words so apply to the present day. So in a real sense the prophet Amos is still speaking. Best line in your article.? – “God is not giving new revelation today because we have all the revelation we need with the New Testament and the Old Testament.” Thank you & Amen!

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm

Thanks Jeff. The only thing that I could prophecy about was I can predict the score of the Super Bowl between the two teams before it even starts. People say, “Wow, you can do that?!” Yes, the score between the two teams before it even starts! It’s 0 to 0 before it starts! I thank God for you comment. Today, sadly, we have what I call “profits” and not the read deals. Thank you Jeff. Please come back again soon sir.

Reply

Robert July 11, 2012 at 11:32 am

Jack,
Great job. This is a very interesting topin within Christian circles these days. You nailed it. We must be ever diligent to know the Word (the Bible), so that we will not be led astray by lies and deception. Thanks again, brother.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm

Thank you brother and all glory to God our Father and Jesus Christ our Savior and the Holy Spirit my Teacher.

Reply

Mabel Jacome July 11, 2012 at 11:49 am

This is a great article, thanks Jack, to God be the Glory!!! 🙂 Sad, but people always, rather hear what “feels good” & what is “convenient for their life style”, rather than the Truth and that’s why we have so many false prophets & teachers. Satan knows how to get to people, twisting the Truth, making it seem appealing and beneficial. I have one specific “rule of thumb” when I hear a preacher, if the sermon is all or mostly based on the prosperity of men in this life, if its all about what God can do for you here in this world, and/or about offering your “seeds of faith”, then I stay away. When we have the Holy Spirit, we know what we have to do, we know we have to give our offerings or tithe, we know what God’s promises are, that staying under the shadow of the Almighty brings all kinds of great benefits, but is not all about what God can do for you; God already did what He had to do for us…He saved us!!! 🙂

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 3:54 pm

I totally agree with your “rule of thumb” and so wish other Christians used this. So good. I tell my congregation that I only have part of my sermon that is perfect….the part where I read out of the Bible! I try to expose those who I call today “fal$e profit$” or prophets for profit. Our riches are to be stored in heaven and not on earth….the blessing is for those who give it away, not receive it. I wish had such a godly and biblically wise women of God like you in the church that I am the under-shepherd of. Thank you so much for your encouraging remarks and your words give me hope that many are rightfully and truthfully discerning the words of God.

Reply

Chris Martel July 11, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Hello Jack,

Just thinking how this ties in with your article on the best Bible translation. Reading and studying various versions will help alleviate any confusion when someone claims to be a prophet. As you, I too am amazed and appalled at how many so called “ministries” preach the “prosperity” gospel. God never has or never will be about money or making you feel good if only you will believe in him, God only wants us to adhere to the commandments and enjoy his Grace. Sad as it is there are more people than not that will fall prey to these charlatans. Most people will only listen if there is “something in it for them”, other than Grace that is and this is particulary disturbing. The number of ministers that mislead their flocks by promising happiness and financial prosperity has increased dramatically over the past fifty (50) or so years, and whether people like it or not, they are FALSE PROPHETS!
I have watched and listened in horror as some evangelicals tell people they only have to “accept” Christ once to be saved for all eternity. First off, Jesus may choose to “accept” us if we pray and live according to his tenets, secondly we must work to refrain from sin and on the occasion where we do sin, to beg his forgiveness and keep praying.
There well could be a modern day prophet, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn who wrote the book “The Harbinger”. This man cites Isaiah 9:10 and how it appears to be a warning to us. The reason I say he could be a prophet, he is warning us to return to God and forsake our evil inclinations, which is a lot harder now than ever before.
Thank you for yet another thought provoking article Jack, God bless and take care of yourself.

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 3:58 pm

Chris, your words are always like medicine to my spirit and lift my heart as they are edifying, exhorting, and encouraging. I must say that I know I’m not supposed to covet but I do covet such godly and biblically wise men of faith like you and dream that the church that I am under-shepherd of had such as you in it. I am deeply saddened by how many “fal$e profit$” are bilking money out of people and making God out to be “quid pro quo” which is, “if you do this God will do that for you.” I believe the good Rabbi is spot on the mark, as are your words my brother. Please come back again and I thank God for you my friend.

Reply

Johnson Chege July 11, 2012 at 5:26 pm

I must say this. There are the 5 gifts or the ministries of the Holy spirit as written in Ephesians 4:11 namely APOSTLES, PROPHETS, EVANGELISTS, PASTORS AND TEACHERS. If you look at there gifts and take their meaning as literally as they read, there is no contradiction if you were asked to write their job description. E.g we all know the work of a teacher, we know what is to pastor, to evangelize, a prophet must have knowledge of yesterday today and what to befall tomorrow also we know the qualities of an apostle. There is confusion in the church today since we find prophecy being the darling of almost every minister. I see it much conflicting when one has taken all or some of these ministries, he as a pastor and an apostle, a pastor and a prophet etc. He/she can pastor and the same time give prophecies. My question is whether this is possible to have all this gifts or some poise to have them to suit some ego. Today if you want to find a confused church, look for one driven by prophecies. I once used to fellowship in one and there were about 3 women prophetess and the pastor was too a prophet. It was like competition who will give the prophecy first just when the church had finished praying. I knew this was not in order because our God is a God of order and doesnt give us the spirit of confusion. Finally I had to quit that church coz there women prophetess would cause lot of confusion and quarrels among believers and if they you talked against it you easily got excommunicated. The bible warns us not to despise prophecy but tells up to take only which is beneficial to us meaning that which corrects us or builds strong our relationship, our wall with God. We are also told not to point finger to His anointed since its God who judges but to my opinion we have the power to judge them by their fruits. If the prophecy doesnt come to pass the kind of finger that we point at them is knowing they are false since their prophecies failed to happen.

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 7:16 pm

Well stated Johnson my friend. As always, your comments contain so much biblical wisdom and I can plainly tell you know the Scriptures so very well. When I researched this I went to the original Greek for the word prophecy and it is a literal translation from the Greek verb, προφημι (prophemi), which means “to say beforehand” from what has been already written. The purpose of the message may be to edify, exhort and comfort the members of the Church.

Commenting on 1 Thessalonians 5:20, John Calvin wrote:

“By the term prophesying I do not mean the gift of foretelling the future, but as in 1 Corinthians 14:3 the science of the interpretation of Scripture, so that a prophet is the interpreter of the divine will… Let us understand prophesying to mean the interpretation of Scripture applied to the present need.” Most modern scholars agree with this including R.C. Sproul, John Mac Arthur, Ravi Zacharias, and Kenneth Gangel writes, “The gift of prophecy is congregational preaching which explains and applies God’s [written] revelation.” Rick Yohn concurs: “The major responsibility of the gift of prophecy today is to study and interpret the Word of God…”

Indeed, prophecy possesses similarities to preaching and teaching. In discussing New Testament prophets, British scholar David Hill notes “that the category of pastoral preaching may be a useful designation for the Christian prophet’s speech.” I agree with these and this is what is being taught at the vast majority of seminaries at the master’s degree level, like the one I am attending (Southern California Seminary).

I believe as you said, if there are several prophecying at the same time and predicting the future, this is extra-biblical for we have the complete revelation from God today and God alone is the only One Who knows the future. Much of this future has been revealed, already, in the Word of God.

Reply

Josh July 11, 2012 at 5:54 pm

Great Job on this piece Jack. I always get so much depth from your articles since you always use so many Bible references.

Reply

Jack Wellman July 11, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Thank you Josh. I believe if there are prophets today they must be false prophets. I appreciate your kind words my friend.

Reply

Logan July 14, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Dear Jack,
Based on what is known, when did the last prophet die?

Reply

Jack Wellman July 14, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Thank you Logan for this great question. Not basing this answer on my human opinion or on history but from the Word of God alone and based upon that, John the Baptist was the last known prophet that we can know for sure since we know the Bible is true. Jesus said about John in Matthew 11:13-14 “For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is aElijah who 1was to come.”

Reply

phishing4men August 7, 2012 at 9:30 pm

Are There Still Prophets Today? Absolutely, FALSE PROPHETS

Reply

phishing4men August 7, 2012 at 9:35 pm

False prophets abound today, doing all they can to infiltrate the Church, nothing has much changed since the Scripture warned us from the beginning. What could be called Godly prophets forth tell the Word of God, not fore tell the future. All we need to know about our future is found in Christ.

Reply

Chris Martel August 7, 2012 at 9:56 pm

Hello Phisherman,

Prophets come in many sizes and shapes, many times we may not even realize they are prophets. As you allude to, there are many false prophets, the very worst of them are yet to come. Pondering this, why wouldn’t there be legitimate prophets today, after all we know the Lord is gearing up for his battle with Satan, the signs are everywhere. What Christians have is the ability to discern the truth, by Christian I emphasize Biblically based Christians, it is going to be tough to get one past someone who is steeped in the bible!
What many people seem to have forgotten is that Jesus’ yoke is light and is message very simple, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, and all your soul, no hoops to jump through, no hocus pocus, no undue ceremony, just love the Lord your God. Many organized religions have added all types of impediments to God, you have to pray to this saint or pay for your sacraments, you must obey the rules of these churches. This is NOT what God wanted for us, He does want us to worship together, He does want us to visit the widows and the orphans, He does want us to treat each other as we would have done to us, yet, so many add hoops and tricks. The point I am making is that being Biblically savy we will know the false prophets, instantly, for the Holy Spirit does reside in us and will guide our hearts.
I believe there are still prophets, and that there will be more as time goes on, God is not going to abandon us, he will be with us to the end of time.

Reply

phishing4men August 7, 2012 at 10:29 pm

Author: Chris Martel
Comment:
Hello Phisherman,

” Prophets come in many sizes and shapes, many times we may not even realize they are prophets. As you allude to, there are many false prophets, the very worst of them are yet to come. Pondering this, why wouldn’t there be legitimate prophets today, after all we know the Lord is gearing up for his battle with Satan, the signs are everywhere. What Christians have is the ability to discern the truth, by Christian I emphasize Biblically based Christians, it is going to be tough to get one past someone who is steeped in the bible!”
Chris, how do we “know” the Lord is “gearing up” for a battle with Satan, I read where He defeated Satan once for all at the Cross, thru the grave, resurrection and ascension to the right hand of the Father after applying His blood to the mercy seat. In Christ we are saved and safe. If Scripture are true and complete containing all we need to know for life and eternity why do we need someone to tell us future events or give future warnings we already have. You answered your own question as to why wouldn’t there be legitimate prophets today…True Christians have discernment so what is the need? I will take the Word of God as given in the Scriptures I know it is true and infallible, cant be sure about fallen man even with discernment because I read not to depend on my own way as even the elect could be decieved if looking to the wrong source. Blessings brother.

Reply

Chris Martel August 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm

Hello again Phisherman,

In regards to God “gearing up” I refer to Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Revelation. This is the time that God defeats Satan and establishes His kingdom in the New Jerusalem. Granted, we all know what the outcome of the battle is going to be, but in spite of that, look at how many people refuse to heed His call. The prophecies will not be for us so much as for the lost, and we will also have a part in the saving of souls, I know far too many people to see them suffer in hell.
You do make a good point in regards discernment, and now I have to study more in order to respond to your well thought out counter. This is the very reason I like reading and participating on this site, people such as yourself, Jack Wellman, and others really make me learn, which in turn makes me a better Christian, thanks for the discussion, however right now I need to get some shut eye, we will definitely be talking again soon.
Good night Phisherman, make the good Lord ward you well this night.

Reply

Jack Wellman August 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm

Hi Chris. I appreciate your humility and humbleness my friend. Given that, you said that “The prophecies will not be for us so much as for the lost, and we will also have a part in the saving of souls” but don’t we already have the imperative command in the Great Commission given 5 times by Christ Himself to go to save souls. I am not sure we need new prophets today to tell us to do something that we are commanded to do. Do you see what I mean sir, with all due respect, of which you surely deserve.

Reply

Chris Martel August 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Hello Jack,

As per usual you have a way of stripping away the superfulous and getting right to the meat of the matter. Sometimes we can get caught up and forget some things, such as the great commision. When I read of what is going on in todays world I tend to get a little concerned, case in point, a judge ruled that we no longer have the right to protest where we want, now protesters must gather in a “protest pen or enclosure”, we have the federal government stripping away our constitutional rights on a daily basis, and these are just a couple of the things that I see that worry me. More prophets needed? I defer to your wise and sage statement, and realize that more prophets will not be forthcoming. There is so much that I need to learn, and the more I learn the more I realize I really do not know that much, what a paradox!
Good talking to you Jack, be back later.

Reply

Jack Wellman August 8, 2012 at 8:26 pm

Oh Chris, you make me fall down on my face to thank God for men like you who desire to learn and grow in grace and knowledge. I gratefully and humbly acknowledge your humility and that I seek to be such as you, for such are in the Kingdom. I desire to be FAT: Faithful, Available, and Teachable. I truly see such an attribute in you that I have seen in few men in my life and I wish that we had such men like you in the church that I am pastor at…or really, am an under-shepherd to the Great Shepherd. I too my brother have so much to learn and will never, I pray, reach a point where I can not humble myself and be contrite in spirit before the Great God. Because, truly what do I know that I have not received, for such reason, I could never boast but thank My God, and I thank God for you Chris. You have truly enriched my life.

Reply

phishing4men August 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm

I reckon the reason I see there is no place for prophets in this age as foretelling events or informing me as if they have more of the word or understanding than you or I as born again believers is because we have the great commitment¶L Tim2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men; the great commandment, Matt. 22:37,38Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment
And the great commission, Matt 28:19+19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. His promise is He will be with us to the very end of the age and told us to go make disciples, what more does the believer need in this age of grace. Do we need like ourselves to tell us what we should be doing and what more could man do to inform us of things to come. Plus what difference does the future of this age make when we have our marching orders from the Lord our commander. Will any thing that is coming change the fact He is with us even in us and we know what to do. The false prophets of our day try to make things so complicated and try to make men think we need them to explain everything (most of them have high dollar fees for that explaination). God has made so clear and simple to know what we are to do, our problem lies in obeying. That is why He gives us grace. Let us be about our Fathers business
by grace alone
Phishing4men

Reply

phishing4men August 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm

Another “prophetic word” straight from the heart of God…”Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” (John 15:16) Our God is so great praise His thrice Holy name.

Reply

Chris Martel August 9, 2012 at 11:39 am

Gentlemen,

I have just finished reading the book “Petrus Romanus” written by Tim Horn and Cris Putnam and I have to tell you, it was an eye opener. Granted this book is based on predictions made by a St. Malachy regarding the Popes, the last 112 of them to be exact. There is so much info in it that I will probably read it again, but the crux of the matter is this; once Christianity was legalized in Rome, the inevitable happened, Satan was able to infiltrate it. Think of the sacraments, Catholics list seven, true Christians will list only one that is truly required, Baptism, the rest are extraneous. But I digress, this is but a tiny taste of the type of work that has been done by these authors, and they quote Scripture repeatedly throughout their work. Bottom line is this, St. Malachy has an accuracy rate bordering on 90%, he made these predictions in 1190 AD! Pope Benedict XVI is the 111th pope, the 112th has yet to ascend. And guess what, these predictions are right in line with Biblical prophecies, at least I believe so, that is why I asked you Jack to read it and let me know what you think, I was astounded. There is an awful lot of info and history in this book, and I have to advise you, keep a dictionary handy as well as a Bible, you will need both.
I eagerly look forward to your opinion on this book, from BOTH Jack and you Phisherman, I want to be sure I haven’t been hoodwinked!
That’s it for now Gentlemen, I now must return to work, until we talk, or type again as the case may be, stay well and remember to feed your souls, they get hungry too!!

Reply

phishing4men August 10, 2012 at 12:24 am

Hi Chris, first let me say how much I appreciate your enthusiasm and zeal. Your desire to grow and honor the Lord is evident. At 73 years old I find myself sounding like sour grapes and often negative and have to keep that in check, but with so much out there that I believe is contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Word I find it difficult to remain silent. The thing I hope to do is offer truth and love not one or the other but both and so here goes my thoughts about the aforementioned book, Petrus Romanus. If St Malachy is only 90% accurate he could not be a biblical prophet. That takes 100% accuracy. The two points I would make about the book is 1. The prophetic claims made by this book come from extra-biblical prophecies or visions from an Irish Catholic Monk over 800 years ago. Extra-biblical is the key thought here.
2. The authors make the disclaimer that no one knows the day or the hour anti-christ will establish his kingdom or the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. In other words don’t be a date setter. With that noted they point to years 2012 and 2015 as dates that point to the appearing of the false prophet, Petrus Romanus the final Pope. They then point to mystical pagan belief systems like the Mayan Calender and other pagan systems that point to 2012 as a pivotal year for one era to end and another to begin. That appears to be date setting. ( I love Jacks comment when folk ask him about the year 2012, he always points the to Revelation 20:12.) I firmly believe the time is short(we need to be out going eyeball to eyeball proclaiming the gospel)even as Paul believed. I tend to believe we are in the days of Matt 24 and Rev. 13. So for me it seems anyone wanting to know what “their future” holds it would be advisable to get in and stay in the Word of God, memorizing as much as possible engrafting it into our soul, relying on Holy Spirit to have total control of our whole being. Personally I find, time being short and as dark as the world is after reading studying and memorizing Gods word, about all I believe i have time for is seeking the lost and encouraging the brothers and sisters in Christ. If something is not growing it is dead so I praise God for friends like Jack and yourself who challenge me to grow and go!!!. I trust I have not thrown cold water on your enthusiasm to know Him just to discouraging placing to much stock on extra-biblical prophesies visions or predictions. As the Lord tarries Chris may He continue to stoke the fire in your heart and mine that I might display the same zeal He demonstrates thru you.
by grace alone
phishing4men

Reply

Cynthia October 14, 2012 at 3:29 am

I’m still a new and lost Christian, I was wondering what does God say about depression, manic stuff and taking medications? I take so many and wish I didn’t have to but my mother and Dr.’s say I do cause of some imbalance in my brain. Ive prayed about but want to be normal again that’s all. I read about the man who used to cut himself in a cave and Jesus helped him and he got to go home to his family. Fixed him.

Reply

Jack Wellman October 14, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Hello Cynthia. I believe your mother is right. The man who was cutting himself in the likely had a mental illness. I urge you to read this article:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/should-a-christian-go-to-the-doctor-does-this-show-a-lack-of-faith/

It goes more into depth about what you just asked. Thank you.

Reply

cynthia October 18, 2012 at 8:46 pm

ty sir found out alot stuff, i also noticed something about back injures on there and ive a herniated disc in my L5/S1 since 2006. I just found out this year in Feb. so it said it could effect my depression

Reply

JWatts October 28, 2012 at 6:23 pm

Jack,

I appreciate you sharing the Word. What are your thoughts about this?

lds.org/prophets-and-apostles

Reply

Jack Wellman October 28, 2012 at 6:37 pm

Hello JWatts. Thank you for your question. I deleted the url because this is a false teaching that says that there are still modern day prophets. The fact is that if you look at the HUNDREDS of failed prophecies of the LDS church, in the Old Testament economy, they would have to be stoned to death. We have all the revelation we need today in the 66 books of the Bible and there are warnings to any who add to or take away from the words of the Bible’s prophecy. I would not touch this teaching with your 10 foot pole my friend. This is a gospel, but it is another gospel and one that Paul warned would come in the end times.

Reply

Damira S. February 23, 2013 at 6:44 pm

Reading the comments about the NIV version made me scared and sad. I am wondering now is the ESV version bad as well i do not have a KJV because it is often hard to understand. I will ask God for forgiveness if reading the ESV version is a bad thing to do. Thanks for writing this article!!!!

Reply

Robert February 24, 2013 at 11:06 am

Damira,
I have researched the different versions of the Bible thoroughly and for many years. I’ve come to the conclusion that the most used versions today are completely reliable, true to the original languages, and only differ because of the way we use English words today. Paraphrases are NOT translations, they are the interpretation of those who produce them and should not be considered anything close to a literal translation. The KJV, NKJV, New American Standard, New International Version, English Standard Version, can all be read and trusted as one leans on the guidance and teaching of the Holy Spirit to teach them. God bless you.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Reply

Damira S February 24, 2013 at 11:50 am

Robert,
Thank you for your for your response
Thank God there are people like you who are knowledgeable about the Bible and are willing to share with others!!!!!:)
God Bless,
Damira

Reply

Jack Wellman February 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Hello Damira S. I believe Robert gave a great answer. I study in several different versions and don’t depend upon one sole translation but I prefer the KJV and NKJV but I believe the ESV are pretty reliable. I don’t believe God has any issue with your reading any particular version and the ESV included. Robert gave an appropriate and correct response to which I am thankful for.

Reply

Damira S February 24, 2013 at 2:02 pm

To Jack Wellman,
Thanks for your response i hope to have much knowledge about the Bible as you two are. May God bless you and everything you.

Reply

Mary February 26, 2013 at 5:57 am

I always thought you could find out whether or not a modern-day prophet was from God or false by the tests given in the book of Deutoronomy. However, my pastor pointed out that we are under a new covenant (grace) and that if a prophet’s predictions are not 100 percent – that’s ok because we’re under grace now. He also said you should look at the prophet’s fruit. We had a lady who came to our church and her fruit did look good (she preached straight from the Bible and I could not see where she went against God’s word at all). However, she did prophesy about some things that did not come to pass. She did not say “Thus, saith the Lord…” before she made her “predictions” though. For instance, she told one lady that by November of the following year she would be the head over several departments at her work. I found out later that none of what she said had yet come to pass the following November (I called the lady a year after what was predicted should have come to pass). Anyway, my pastor also said that several things she had prophecied about and had put a date on still had not come to pass, but he stressed that we are under grace and that we should not disregard her as a false prophet since her fruit is good.

Reply

Jack Wellman February 26, 2013 at 11:08 am

Thank you Mary for your comment. How much accuracy does a person need to be declared a “prophet” of God? 50-50? 1 in 10? Can you show me in Bible Scripture that says today we still have prophets? Do you understand what the word prophet means in the Greek from the New Testament? Does this woman “prophet” prophecy about something that is important? Give me an example of what came to pass and what didn’t come to pass. And where in the Bible does it say that prophets can be wrong and that’s okay because we are under grace? The “under grace” comment by your pastor refers to sin and keeping the law, not for prophecying and getting it wrong.

Reply

phishing4men February 26, 2013 at 11:18 am

Mary, to be very plain and straight forward, you would be well served to find another local church and pastor as he gave you very erroneous and dangerous advice. What good fruit is the pastor talking about? Saying “thus sayeth the Lord” prior to claiming one has a prophecy is nonsense, we have the Word of God and it is the final and complete authority of believers today, Sola Scriptura. God Speed, I will praying for you to find a Bible teaching church.

Reply

joseph Kakule March 8, 2013 at 2:45 am

you are right in all that you say, for we don’t have prophets today since the canon was closed and those who claim to have revelations from God they may be having something wrong in their minds. the Bible is the only book that contains the scriptures of God and has everything we need to know and believe about God and what God requires of us in this life. thanks so much for this article, it helped me much because am doing research on the continual role of prophecy.

Reply

Jared Watts March 8, 2013 at 10:15 am

If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and he always had prophets since the days of Adam why wouldn’t he have prophets today? This conclusion would assume that God is a changeable, which he is not.

Reply

Jack Wellman March 8, 2013 at 11:15 am

Thank you Jared for your comment. Are you a prophet? Do you know of someone that is? Can they come here and comment and leave us a prophecy? If a prophet is wrong even once then in the Bible they are to be stoned to death. 99% is not good enough unless your playing basketball or horseshoes. Note also the crucial phrase “once for all” in Jude 3. The Greek word here is hapax, which refers to something done for all time, with lasting results, never needing repetition. Nothing needs to be added to the faith that has been delivered “once for all.”

Also important in Jude 3 is the word “delivered.” In the Greek it is an aorist passive participle, which in this context indicates an act completed in the past with no continuing element. In this instance the passive voice means the faith was not discovered by men, but given to men by God. How did He do that? Through His Word–the Bible.

And so through the Scriptures God has given us a body of teaching that is final and complete. Our Christian faith rests on historical, objective revelation. That rules out all inspired prophecies, seers, and other forms of new revelation until God speaks again at the return of Christ (cf. Acts 2:16-21; Rev. 11:1-13).

In the meantime, Scripture warns us to be wary of false prophets. Jesus said that in our age “false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect” (Matt. 24:24). Signs and wonders alone are no proof that a person speaks for God. John wrote, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

The words of the prophets were always recorded in the Bible but today the canon is closed and sealed. God warns us twice in the Bible to never add or subtract anything, even one word, to the Scriptures. Ultimately, Scripture is the test of everything; it is the Christian’s standard. In fact, the word canon means “a rule, standard, or measuring rod.” The canon of Scripture is the measuring rod of the Christian faith, and it is complete.

Ephesians 2:20-21 says that the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.” The foundation is laid! You would have to tear down the building to get back down to the foundation to add more prophets but it has already been laid! The “whole building is [already] joined together” so you want to tear it down to add another prophet or more prophets to add to the foundation which has already been laid? This is not biblical.

It is no wonder that Jesus warned us that many “false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.”

Reply

Kevin April 21, 2013 at 12:36 pm

Jack I feel that there is an incredible need for prophets chosen and called by god in our day. Without a prophet we are left to the devices of men to interpret the writings of the ancient prophets and the mass confusion and contradiction that exists in the religious world today is the result. We put a lot of faith in that church that neither of us belong to, that compiled the bible books together. Hoping that they did not omit or change things to agree with their ideology. I believe that bible to be the word of god however the correct interpretation and understanding of it requires the direction of one chosen by god…”A Prophet”. When Christ was on the earth, even though there were many churches there was only one true church that was led by Christ himself, his prophets and apostles. So if he is the same yesterday today and forever where is that one true church today? I know I have found it and we are led by prophets and apostles chosen by god once again.
Thanks
Kevin

Reply

Jack Wellman April 21, 2013 at 1:13 pm

Thank you Kevin for your comment. Are you a prophet? Do you know of someone that is? Can they come here and comment and leave us a prophecy? If a prophet is wrong even once then in the Bible they are to be stoned to death. 99% is not good enough unless your playing basketball or horseshoes. Note also the crucial phrase “once for all” in Jude 3. The Greek word here is “hapax”, which refers to something ALREADY done [this is past tense] for all time, with lasting results, never needing repetition. Nothing needs to be added to the faith that has been delivered “once for all.”

Also important in Jude 3 is the word “delivered.” In the Greek it is an aorist passive participle, which in this context indicates an act completed in the past with no continuing element. In this instance the passive voice means the faith was not discovered by men, but given to men by God. How did He do that? Through His Word–the Bible.

And so through the Scriptures God has given us a body of teaching that is final and complete. Our Christian faith rests on historical, objective revelation. That rules out all inspired prophecies, seers, and other forms of new revelation until God speaks again at the return of Christ (cf. Acts 2:16-21; Rev. 11:1-13).

In the meantime, Scripture warns us to be wary of false prophets. Jesus said that in our age “false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect” (Matt. 24:24). Signs and wonders alone are no proof that a person speaks for God. John wrote, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

The words of the prophets were always recorded in the Bible but today the canon is closed and sealed. God warns us twice in the Bible to never add or subtract anything, even one word, to the Scriptures. Ultimately, Scripture is the test of everything; it is the Christian’s standard. In fact, the word canon means “a rule, standard, or measuring rod.” The canon of Scripture is the measuring rod of the Christian faith, and it is complete.

Ephesians 2:20-21 says that the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.” The foundation is laid! You would have to tear down the building to get back down to the foundation to add more prophets but it has already been laid! The “whole building is [already] joined together” so you want to tear it down to add another prophet or more prophets to add to the foundation which has already been laid? This is not biblical.

It is no wonder that Jesus warned us that many “false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.”

Jack Wellman April 21, 2013 at 1:30 pm

By the way Kevin, you said, “I feel that there is an incredible need for prophets chosen and called by god in our day.” Since when can we base our theology on what we “feel?” We must decide what truth is from the Bible alone and not what you or I feel, otherwise, Oprah Winfrew is right…she said she “feels that there are many paths to God.” but thankfully, we can not use human feelings to know truth for God alone is truth and there is only one path to God (Acts 4:12).

Kevin April 21, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Jack
maybe i am wrong but i thought that the holy spirit helps you discern between truth and error. The bible can be interpreted many different ways so how are we to know which way is right. Is that not why there are so many different churches out there. They can not agree on differing points of doctrine. That is why god chooses his prophets to clarify his word.
Kevin

Jack Wellman April 21, 2013 at 1:51 pm

I presume you are among these “many churches”, and so which church do you attend? I believe there are so many false churches out there because they are not adhering to the Word of God. I only quote Scripture and this is based on what God says, not what I say. We are commanded to (2 Tim 4:2) “Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.”

Elsewhere, Titus 1:13 “This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith.” and in Titus 2:15 “These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.” and 1 Timothy 5:20 “But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.”

In fact (2 Tim 3:16) “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.”

Those who cling to “Judge not, that ye be not judged, ” to condemn those who expose error should read the entire chapter. Jesus said, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing… ” (v. 15). How can we know false prophets unless we judge them by the Word of God? If we know the false prophets, how can we fail to exam the sheep of these “ravening wolves?” All through the Bible we find proof that they should be identified and exposed.

“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit” (vs. 16,17). Did the Lord mean that we could not judge the tree (person), by the fruit of their life and doctrine? Certainly not, for you cannot know without judging. All judgment should be on the basis of Bible teaching, not according to whims or prejudices.

Nathaniel August 18, 2013 at 3:24 am

Kevin, if you look into the history of the reformation you will see why there are so many different churches. Here is the short version. During the dark ages satan worked through the only church to stamp out God’s word. That is where the dark ages term came from because they tried to take the light of the world out. They translated it into a language that only church officials knew so the common man could not read it. God preserved his word through people like the Albigenses and Waldenses, who copied the Scriptures and secretly gave it to the common people. Then God began to raise up reformers. (Not in this exact order) God raised up Martin Luther who rediscovered righteousness by faith. And people began to follow him. After Luther died, God raised up John Wesley. Wesley brought the truth that there are certain practices that help us to have a relationship with Jesus, a method to religion. Many of Luther’s followers said that Luther did not teach this so they became known as Lutherans. Then After Wesley, God raised up John Calvin who rediscovered another forgotten important Bible truth. Many of those who followed Wesley said, “That is not what Wesley taught.” And they became known as the Methodists. The Calvinists became known as the Presbyterians when another reformer rediscovered a forgotten Bible truth and they didn’t follow it. You get the picture. All the denominations to day came out of that except for a few. And all of the nondenominational churches favor one or more of these bigger denominations. Technically there is no such thing as nondenominational.

So it is not because everyone interpret the Bible differently as to why there are so many different churches. It is because people were and are unwilling to grow in their understanding of the Bible and the precious truths God has for us to all rediscover. When we say things like, “That is not what my church teaches so I can’t accept it.” That is when we are in danger of rejecting light that God may have for us. We should test every teaching with the Bible.

To say that everyone interprets the Bible differently and that we can’t really know truth is like saying how can we know that the Christianity is the right way and not Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism. The truth is absolute, not relative. We can know truth. When we let the Bible explain itself is when we begin to find truth. When we try to interpret it by our own ideas and world view is when we are in danger of reasoning away what the Bible really teaches to satisfy our own wants and desires and how we justify our wrong doings. It is also how it is so easy to say, I interpret that differently than you (when it comes to scripture).

There are sometimes when I read a passage and you read a passage and we get something differently from it. And other times when if we read the same passage days, weeks, months, or years later we could get something differently than we did before. But the interpretations have nothing to do with the main teachings and doctrines of the Bible. Those usually have to do with our every day life, to give encouragement, rebuke, strength, correction, or conviction. But it never changes the major themes or teachings of Scripture.

clevergirl April 11, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Thanks for your article, always a pleasure to read your work. I can tell you from experience that there is no room in the church for the gift of prophecy. I have carried this gift from birth and people in church run like you have the plague. ha!!

What saddens me is because the church has not made room for this gift or the gift of “Apostle” they have suffered tremendously. Our duty and calling is to keep the church lined up with the Word, to rebuke and encourage, to build up and correct.

Today the church is so far away from the Word and that is the bi-product of pushing out the prophet.

Reply

Jack Wellman April 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm

Thank you Clevergirl for your comment. If you can show me in the Bible where it says prophets will come again someday or that they are still relevant today I will believe you. The “church” is obedient to the Word of God.

Are you a self-proclaimed prophet or apostle:

a. The clearest example of these are the twelve Apostles initially appointed by Christ during His earthly ministry. These Apostles all possessed three characteristics which qualified them to be capital “A” Apostles:

(1) Read Acts 1:21-22; 10:39-41. In order to be one of the twelve, one had to have accompanied Jesus all the time that He went in and out among His disciples (i.e. from the baptism of John or thereabouts). This was important if the Apostle was to be qualified to be an eye and ear witness of Christ’s resurrection and all that He did.

(2) Read Luke 6:12-13; Acts 1:23-26. There had to be a direct appointment by Jesus Christ if one was to be recognized as a capital “A” Apostle. This was underscored in the selection of Matthias where the final decision was left to the Lord in the drawing of the lots.

(3) Read Acts 1:1-8. A third qualification of a capital “A” Apostle was the reception of a supernatural endowment of the Holy Spirit, which was given for two closely-related purposes:

(a) To supernaturally enable them to be witnesses of Christ so that they inerrantly spoke the Word of God by divine inspiration along with individuals closely connected with them (like Mark and Luke) Read Matt. 10:5a; 18-20; Jn. 16:12-15. (Also cp. Jn. 14:25-26.)

(b) To enable them to back up their testimony with supernatural signs and wonders. Read Mt. 10:1; II Cor.. 12:11-12. These signs and wonders were connected with the Apostles because they supported their divinely inspired witness, even as new periods of divine revelation had been generally accompanied by such miraculous signs in past redemptive history (Moses, Elijah and Elisha, Daniel, etc.).

But upon what basis do I say that the church ceased to have such living Apostles at this time? The living Apostolate evidently has ceased to be present in the church because some of the later New Testament epistles appear to be preparing the church for a time when there would be no Apostolate giving new revelation. Read I Tim. 6:20; II Pet. 1:12-15; Jude 3 (cp. II Thess. 2:15; 3:6; II Tim. 1:13-14; 2:2). Please read these Scriptures and tell me which ones are wrong!

Reply

clevergirl April 11, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Thank you for your scriptures and I in no way meant to upset you..(if I did 🙂 Wasn’t Paul an Apostle? He didn’t walk with Jesus did he? If that is a requirement why was it okay for him? (I am learning so please understand I am sincere in my questions..I know in text, we can interrupt different ways however I am being very genuine.)

How do we explain the spiritual gifts? Did all this die in the New Testament? How is it we can have the gift of encouragement, teaching, preaching, serving, word of knowledge…etc but when it comes to the gift of prophecy we some how want to avoid?

1 Corinthians 12: 7-11

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Romans 12: 3-8
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your[a] faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead,[b] do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

I am not a self proclaimed prophet, I know I have the gift of prophecy just like I know I have the gift of service. The Holy Spirit reveals the gifts God gives you so you can operate in the body of Christ to build the church. Isn’t that the point of spiritual gifts?

Reply

Jack Wellman April 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm

Thank you Clevergirl for your comment again. No, you did not upset me and if I came across that way, I apologize my friend. Please forgive me.

For one thing, the 1 Cor 7:10 verse you mentioned, “to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a]” the [a] is there because the word tongues is literally translated “language” as in a known language.

To claim to be a prophet of God is serious business and I was trying to warn you out of love for if a prophet prophesies falsely, God will judge them. In the Old Testament if they were wrong even once, they were stoned to death showing God’s anger toward those who say they are prophets but are truly not. Can you prophesy like those in the Bible? Every prophet ever mentioned in the Bible has their words recorded in Scripture and so they were God-inspired. So if you claim to be a prophet and are wrong even once, this is not good. Also, ALL of the prophets words were considered each and every single time to be inspired by God and were in the Bible as inspired word of God. Are you saying this? Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of conditioned events to come (cf. divine knowledge) as well as testimonies or repeated revelations that the world is divine. The process of prophecy especially involves reciprocal communication of the prophet with the (divine) source of the messages and that is God. You have direct communication with Him?

Hebrews 1:1-2 plainly tells us that we now live in a new era:

In the PAST [my bold] God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has [has…is past tense, as in already has spoken, not still speaking!] spoken to us by his Son whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed UNTIL [that is up until John, the Baptist] John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. (Luke 16:16).

The root of the English word prophecy is derived from the Greek prophēteia, Latin prophetia. The root of prophēteia is derived from prophēmi, which means to speak before or for someone or something. Romans 12:6 and 1 Corinthians 14:29-32 leads me to believe that ‘prophesy’ here means, ‘to speak inspirational/encouraging words in public’ deriving from a conception of ‘prophet’ which (in these verses) would mean, ‘One able to speak inspiring, encouraging or revelatory words to others in public’ – we would now call this ‘the gift of preaching’.

Reply

clevergirl April 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm

Hi Jack! I have tried commenting 3 times and it has erased them all. ha!! I am thinking on your last words and praying. 🙂 I will be back soon with a reply…thanks for keeping me in my Word and sharpening the iron!!

Reply

Jack Wellman April 12, 2013 at 2:41 pm

Hi my friend….I am not sure what happened or why they didn’t appear or they were erased you said? I’ll check into it I can promise you that. Take care friend. May God richly bless you.

Reply

Dudu June 14, 2013 at 3:33 am

I only got into this site two days ago and I love it already. After reading your article I felt such a deep relief and could not stop think about it. This morning its like God was re-affirming what you were saying, as the scriptures came rolling in my head – Matt 6:33 says “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you”. This simply means that if in anything and all the time “The Lord is my Sherperd, I shall not want (I have all the earthly riches). Proverbs 9:10 says – “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom…”, not wealth. Ours is to get more and more souls to know Jesus (that is Great Commission – Matt 28:18-20), so that they too can realise God’s blessings not the other way round, WOW today non-believers resent going to church because all they are told is to popup money, sad. God bless you Jack…

Reply

Jack Wellman June 14, 2013 at 3:53 pm

Thanks Dudu. You are so right. Instead of focusing on Jesus’ imperative command to “GO!” we substitute it with “give!” Yes, how said. In the church I am under-shepherd of, we never, ever preach prosperity but repentance, faith, confession of sin, trust in Christ, the cross and the completed work of Christ on Calvary. I love the way you are focusing on God’s will and not like false shepherds and what they “feel.” They mix up our needs with our wants. God doesn’t.

Reply

John Sheridan July 5, 2013 at 2:39 pm

God does bless but not for their own use, but for the advancement of the gospel. That you could be a blessing to someone else, shame on you who take advantage all that you deceive into giving into your ministry that is of hell itself. Do care that your a responsible party for deceiving those people and God will held you accountable. Hell is filled with people who had good intentions. But ignored what the true God really has to say. What a shame that people listen to deception and end up right their alongside of those who to not preach God word truthfully. Is that you, Then stop

Reply

Barry July 10, 2013 at 3:02 pm

Where do i start……. The office of the prophet in the old testament differs from the office of the prophet of the new testament… the latter is to edify and equip.

If you understand the above then it should be clear to you that we will still have prophets today and in future.

As for those of you who are stuck on the kjv (king James) (please don’t freak out and lose your faith) The old testament was translated from the greek and the new testament from hebrew (there were even two english versions before the kjv) the Great Bible and the Bishops bible.

As for those who think that the bible has been altered, or corrupted, well give me the most currupt version that you can find, i will read it, i will study it and guess what? i wont be deceived because my relationship is not with words on paper but with the Lord Jesus Christ.

i have learnt more from the “corrupt or altered” bibles so called, than from the kjv (and i still have my faith and my relationship with Christ. (God’s word is not corrupt, God places His Word even above His own Name0

in your face satan…!!!
i will lift up my sword and execute written judgement upon the forces of darkness, i will not bow to resistance, i will not bow to opposition….

eish… i almost got carried away lol (where was i ?)

God’s Name doesnt even appear in the kjv (everyone gives me a weird look)

Lets leave it at that.

i love the many different translations.

Have a Blessed Day.

Reply

Farrell July 11, 2013 at 12:28 am

I entirely agree with your statement. If Gods true church/gospel exists on the earth today He will direct and lead it through his prophets. That is how he has done it from the begining so why would he change now. People are quick to put a muzzle on God and his word for fear of a false prophet proclaiming it. Since there has always been false prophets on the earth, God has given us warning and instruction on how to tell if one is a false prophet. So if we are sincere followers of Christ, what are we so worried about?
God Bless

Reply

Bri July 29, 2013 at 6:14 pm

I like the last two comments. From reading the other comments, what I’m hearing is that there is a warped sense of understanding the true call of the prophet and the gift of prophecy, which are very much in effect today. I believe that people who run around calling themselves prophets and prophetess as they say untruths and present false doctrine are the ones who bring about the confusion in the body of Christ as it relates to this role. But the question is: What is the real purpose of prophecy? As Barry stated, in the New Testament we read in 1 Corinthians 14:3 that prophecy is for the purpose of edification, exhortation, and comfort. There is nothing ungodly about receiving edification, exhortation, and comfort. I have received several personal prophecies that line up with the (rhema) Word of God, and I am so grateful to God for His children who avail themselves to be used as His mouthpiece. As believers in Christ, God has gifted the Church body with the gifts of the Spirit (that includes the gift of prophecy – 1 Corinthians 12), and there is still a need for the fivefold ministry, which includes the prophet “for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God….” ~Ephesians 4:11-13

Reply

Farrell August 18, 2013 at 12:32 pm

Nathaniel
I agree with what you said. Luther, Westly, Calvin, Williams, and many others all played an important role in paving the way for Gods true church to be restored to the earth again.

Ephesians 4: 11-14
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
“Till we all come to a unity of faith”

Do you believe that their can be only one true church?
When Christ was here how many true Churches were there?
When Christ was not on the earth He still led his church through his prophets, apostles, pastors, teachers as the scripture said. Did any of the prophets and apostles in the Bible ever contradict one another? I do not believe they did. They did not belong to the church of Moses, Abraham, Paul, etc. They all belonged to the church of Jesus Christ. Even though he was not present with them on the earth, he still led his church through those men ensuring that his word would stay pure.
So that leaves us hear today with what I feel are the three options because their can be only one true church.
1: The Catholic Church is the true church because they trace their authority back to the apostles.
2: It does not really matter what church you go to because the true church does not exist on the earth today at this time.
3: The true church does exist on the earth and it is led once again by his prophets and apostles.

So if their can be only one true Church, which one is it? Or does it really matter because we are all wrong?
Thanks
Farrell

Reply

Jack Wellman August 18, 2013 at 1:06 pm

I do not believe we are all wrong for Jesus said the gates of hell (death) would not prevail (or prevent) against the church. Thusly, the church still must exist today. The “true church” does exist but it is not one church or one denomination alone it would not appear

Reply

Farrell August 18, 2013 at 11:48 pm

Jack
Thank you for quoting that scripture. I think it really tells a lot about the topic at hand.
Matt 16:17-19
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

What is the foundation of the true church? Revelation through his prophets and apostles. That is the only way we can know what truth really is. There can only be one true Church that God would lead through his chosen prophet. I do not believe for a minute that God would have many different churches interpreting his gospel diferently. So where is that church today? Jack who leads your church and does he claim to receive revelation from God? Does he have that authority that is also spoken about? If so how did he receive it?
Like I said before either we are all wrong and it does not matter what Christian church you belong to or Gods one true church does exist and we need to find it.
Thanks
Farrell

Reply

Robert August 19, 2013 at 7:01 am

Farrell,
The foundation of the true church is Jesus Christ, not the apostles or prophets. Hebrews 1:1-2 tells us, “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world”. God spoke (past tense) through His apostles and prophets (contained in the Bible), but Jesus was the last word, the final revelation of God, before the Holy Spirit was given to believers to guide them internally.
There are certain core truths one must believe to be a Christian, then there are other peripheral doctrines that are not essential to being a Christian (by the way, this also applies to any religion or belief system…some beliefs are essential, others are optional).
God’s revelation in His Word is plenty clear for anyone to be able to understand and live by. The problem with far too many is that they simply desire to do it their own way.
God bless you, Farrell.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Reply

Jack Wellman August 19, 2013 at 8:45 am

It is not what but WHO is the foundation and as Robert so rightly said, it is Jesus Christ and HE is the Chief Cornerstone and the biggest part of this foundation. It is HIS church and not any man’s church. He is the Head of the Church. He runs the church. He can use different denominations like He does in Africa, India, Australia, Columbia, America, etc….no two people are alike just as no two nations are alike and so that is why there are such differences among churches.

As long as most agree on the main and critical issues like Jesus’ sinlesness, His resurrection, and so on, then there is nothing wrong with different churches and denominations. God didn’t make cookie cutter people and so why not have differences or varieties of churches?

Reply

Robert August 19, 2013 at 7:04 am

Farrell,
“For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (I Corinthians 3:11 ESV). The answer is to follow Jesus, not man or a manmade system.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Reply

Farrell August 20, 2013 at 2:10 am

I think you misunderstood what I said. “There can only be one true Church that God would lead through his chosen prophet.” God still leads the church. Revelation is part of the foundation because without it falsehoods and misinterpretations enter into his Gospel. Why did Christ choose his 12 apostles? If those apostles were on the earth today would they be competing against one another for converts to their church? Or would they be unified in their message in bringing people unto Christ? Peter a catholic. Paul a Methodist. James a Mormon. John a Lutheran. That does not sound very unified in Christ to me. Christ established order in his church. He knew his time on earth was limited and that is why he organized his church, called apostles and gave them the authority to act in his name. Where is that Church today?
Thanks
Farrell

Reply

Robert August 20, 2013 at 7:22 am

Hi Farrell,
No, I think I understood what you were saying just fine, I just do not think it is true. Where do you get the idea that, “There can only be one true Church that God would lead through his chosen prophet”? The Bible says no such thing, so you must get it somewhere else. This is where you and I disagree and will continue to do so. I take the Bible to be the authority in all things pertaining to God. The Holy Spirit enlightens (teaches) us as to the meaning we should glean from our study of His Word. You seem to think that differing denomination have different ideas of what the Gospel is (how one can be forgiven of sins and reconciled to God); however, that is simply not true. If anyone teaches a Gospel different than the one presented in the Bible, Paul says to let that person be accursed (Galatians 1:9). Therefore, churches that teach a different gospel are not truly Christian to begin with. The true church will always present the true Gospel, they may not all agree on how many angels can sit on the head of a pin (an attempt at humor there), but they will always agree on the fact that salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ. There will always be different views on the length of the days of creation, the details of the endtimes, whether or not tongues are for today, whether one can forfeit his or her salvation, etc. But the core truth of the Gospel resides in every Christian body. To answer your question, Farrell, the church is wherever people truly are living with Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. God bless you, Farrell.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Reply

Jack Wellman August 20, 2013 at 9:38 am

Farrell…since we are all wrong and apparently only you are right and you must know that there is one true church, then where is it since you seem to believe we don’t know. What church is it? I would guess it is the one you attend, right? Please tell us since you seem to know more than all of us and Robert too so where do you thing the church is today since we apparently don’t have any clue for you are disputing and disagreeing with everything we have said.

Reply

Farrell August 21, 2013 at 1:46 am

What was the purpose of Christ choosing the apostles? Did that tradition cease or did it continue on as the Catholics believe?
Thanks
Farrell

Reply

Jack Wellman August 21, 2013 at 6:41 am

You tell me…and show me biblical evidence to support what you believe.

Reply

Robert August 21, 2013 at 7:08 am

Farrell,
I must agree with Jack. We have spent a lot of time running around answering your questions, then you simply sidestep our answers and ask another question. If we are to have any kind of meaningful dialogue here, it has to go both ways. Do you have answers for the questions that Jack and I have asked or just a continual barrage of questions?
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Reply

Nathaniel August 21, 2013 at 5:23 pm

Farrell, I will answer you questions with a couple of questions.
1. Do you believe that the WHOLE Bible is the inspired word of God and the ONLY source of faith and practice for the Christian?
2. Have you studied the doctrines of other churches and compared them to scripture to be certain that what you believe is able to stand firm on the Bible and the Bible alone?

Your answer of number one will determine your answer for number 2.

Reply

Jack Wellman August 21, 2013 at 6:02 pm

Nathaniel, Farrell has been blocked and banned from this website and he is no longer able to reply since he was only set on attacking and never responding when asked a question. His accusations were false and so anyone who does not follow good, polite protocol on this or any of our other websites is going to likewise be blocked.

Paul commands Christians to “avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9) and since this is not a debate forum, anyone else who does such may also be banned for life. When we argue over non-essential-to-salvation issues, we are doing no one any good but only bringing shame to the cause of Christ for non-believers who see that Christians can not even get along with each other.

Reply

Nathaniel August 21, 2013 at 5:29 pm

Jack, I am interested to hear your thoughts on what I posted the other day. If you are still prayerfully studying it out, that’s ok and I understand. I don’t want rush you. Just when you have some thoughts about it I’d like to know.
Blessings
Nathaniel

Reply

Jack Wellman August 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm

Thank you Nathaniel. You had so many posts so I am not sure which one you want me to respond to. Is it the one where you believe that since Jesus warned us of many false prophets that this means there are prophets today. Indeed, He also said “there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” He also said that there will be the abomination of desolation too but does that mean that there will be many of these? Do you know of any prophets today? Can you ask them to come here and prophesy about something that God is going to do here on this website or something in the town in which I live at my church I pastor at?

Scripture shows us that the prophets of the New Testament had two primary purposes:

They were gifted men given to the Church and appointed by God (Eph. 4:11, 1 Cor. 12:28) for the purpose of helping to lay the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20).

They, like the apostles, received God’s revelation (Eph. 3:5) and truth and proclaimed it to their churches. It is important to remember that the early Church did not have a completed Bible, so God granted this revelation for the purpose of teaching His message to the Church. The New Testament prophets also spoke forth and taught the apostles’ doctrine. Everything taught by these prophets had to be consistent with the teaching of the apostles (1 Cor. 14:36-37).

So, are prophets still needed today? Looking at the two functions listed above, we can see that the office of prophet is one that is no longer necessary and has ceased within the Church because:

The foundation of the Church was laid long ago.

And God’s revealed Word was completed with the close of the New Testament canon. If prophets are still teaching today, their words would have to necessarily be canonized in the Bible since ALL of God’s prophets, in the New and Old Testament had their words included in the Bible. Prophets speak for God and tell us what He wants us to say and they brought new revelation in the Old and New Testaments and there are no new revelations today since the Bible is now completed. Rev 21:8 warns “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” and in the Old Testament too:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

There is a very serious consequence for adding to or taking away from God’s Word because God’s Word is Him speaking to us. The Church’s foundation does not need to be laid again and there is no need for further revelation beyond what God has provided for us in His complete Word, the Bible. Today we are blessed to have Scripture as our complete and final authority in all things (2 Tim. 3:16-17). If someone now claims to have received a “special revelation,” we must test it against Scripture. If it is contrary to the Word of God, then it must be rejected. If it is consistent with Scripture, then we have to ask why an “extra” word was necessary if its truth is already contained in the Bible. So while we always need men who are willing to proclaim boldly the Word of God as contained in Scripture (as pastors, teachers, and evangelists), there is no need for the office of “prophet” as it existed in the New Testament.

Reply

Gene August 22, 2013 at 11:41 pm

Hi. This is a very interesting topic, and one that I have been thinking about for some time. It seems like everywhere you go, there are pastors calling themselves prophets and/or apostles these days. Even more, there are always people saying “the Lord told me…” I truly believe it is critical to pray for the spirit of discernment as we approach Christian study and fellowship. That way, we will be moved toward those who are truly aligned with, and inspired by the word of God/Christ. I think it is easy for people (who may be well-intentioned) to mistakenly think they are apostles and/or prophets based on Ephesians 4: 11-14. I will say that one thing that was reinforced for me through this website is that all prophets in both the Old and New Testaments had their words included in the Bible. The Bible is complete, so that lends itself to the thought that the office of prophet is now closed.
Bro. Jack: can you please help me out with the following: (1) how do we reconcile the fact that the office of prophet may be closed with bible verses such as I Kings: 11-19 (the still small voice of God)? I think the fact that the Holy Spirit speaks to us may be what causes some people to think they are prophets; and (2) what is the difference between an apostle and a disciple, and why is it thought that there are no more apostles today?
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback!!

Reply

Jack Wellman August 23, 2013 at 8:57 am

Gene, thank you sir for your comment and questions. You mentioned 1 Kings 11-19. Do you mean all of these chapters or do you mean 1 Kings chapters 11 thru 19? Could you be more specific about these verses and chapters? I am not sure what the Old Testament has to do with the New and our New Covenant which is a better and superior one. There were no apostles in the Old Testament?

As for what the difference between apostles and disciples, this article at the following link shows that all of Christ’s followers are to be disciples and to make disciples of others (Matt 28:18-20) as part of the Great Commission…read more at:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-discipleship-should-every-christian-disciple-others/

Every apostle that was made one had two things in common. They were called by Jesus Christ Himself in person…including Paul who was struck down on the road to Damacus and taught in the desert by Jesus for 3 years…the disciples called out by Christ were commissioned by Christ Himself, all 12 were taught by Him, again for 3 years and personally selected. I am a pastor but I have not talked or been taught in the very, real presence by Jesus Himself. The Apostles and the prophets are the foundation of the church and we are being built upon it. To make more apostles we would have to tear down the building again, a holy temple being built still today and get down to the foundation again of which Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone.

I pray this helps.

Reply

Damira S August 23, 2013 at 8:06 am

may anyone tell me what a apostle is i had preacher who called her self i was 8 years old at the so i didn’t really understand what she did that would cause her to be called an apostle

Reply

Jack Wellman August 23, 2013 at 9:02 am

For one thing, there is no Biblical evidence for a woman to be a pastor, much less an apostle.

As I mentioned to Gene, an apostle that was made one had two things in common. They were called by Jesus Christ Himself in person…including Paul who was struck down on the road to Damacus and taught in the desert by Jesus for 3 years…the disciples called out by Christ were commissioned by Christ Himself, all 12 were taught by Him, again for 3 years and personally selected. I am a pastor but I have not talked or been taught in the very, real presence by Jesus Himself. The Apostles and the prophets are the foundation of the church and we are being built upon it. To make more apostles we would have to tear down the building again, a holy temple being built still today and get down to the foundation again of which Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone. Was this woman in the very presence and taught directly, in person by Jesus for 3 years? I highly doubt that.

Now, as far as this woman calling herself an apostle, I can call myself a Greek but that doesn’t mean that I am. It is who JESUS calls you or me that is important and we are called to be disciples….not apostles. Read Matt 28:18-20.

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/should-women-be-pastors-or-elders-of-a-church-a-bible-study/

We are all called to be disciples and to make disciples of others…check this out at:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-discipleship-should-every-christian-disciple-others/

I do hope this clears this up Damira and thank you for your comment.

Reply

Gene August 23, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Hi again Bro. Jack!
Pardon my error, I meant to type and reference I Kings 19: 11-13. This refers to the “still small voice” of God and how it provides direction. The fact that the prompting of the Holy Spirit exists is what (I think) leads people to mistakenly believe that they are prophets.
My thought is that there are certainly some people who may be well intentioned that do in fact believe they have the spirit of prophecy, or are apostles, etc… Of course, we know there are also some who outrightly mock the name of Jesus and are in rebellion and knowingly and falsely claim to be something they are not. God will deal with them (I don’t wanna be around when that happens…ooh wee!). How do we advise someone who calls themselves a prophet or apostle that the office is now closed? Surely this person will be quick to reference Ephesians 4:11 in defense of their belief. In addition, Joel 2:28-29 is another set of verses that some churches that sponsor what’s known as “prophetic ministry conferences” use to support the notion of continued prophecy today. Again, while I don’t think that everyone who calls themselves a prophet or apostle has evil intent, how do we advise, correct, etc… their belief in the most Christ-like and productive way so as not to harm their continued growth?

And finally…is it correct to say that all followers of Christ are His disciples, but the apostles were a select group of Christ’s followers whom he personally chose and taught?

Thanks! 🙂

Reply

Jack Wellman August 24, 2013 at 11:25 am

Thank you Gene for your many questions and comments. Yes, we are all disciples if we follow Christ and the apostles were a select group. As I have said before, I . I don’t believe that they continued to need to have more apostles since the church around 100 A.D. was well established and the gospel had been taken to the known world by that time. Remember that the apostle’s words were recorded and they because Scripture and the cannon or the Bible was closed after John’s writings. Any teachings of the apostles became Scripture and when the New Testament was already being in use by the time before the last apostles died, then they didn’t need to have continued apostles from then till today. The church’s history records that there were no more apostles selected as you can see with Polycarp, John’s disciple and Martyr, etc.

For more on all of us being called to be Christ’s disciple, please read:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-discipleship-should-every-christian-disciple-others/

As for 1 Kings 19:11-13, this is God’s actual voice speaking to Elijah and God often spoke verbally in the Old Testament but today He speaks to us thru His written Word.

As for Eph 4:11 it says that “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists,” etc. but note here that CHRIST gave men, men didn’t give themselves to be these. Christ appointed apostles and prophets.

Joel 2:28-29 is clearly talking about the Day of Pentecost is it not? Is that day repeatable?

Anyway, I can see you and I don’t agree nor will we ever apparently so let us please move on and part as friends on this subject for I am not going to persuade you nor you I. I am a bi-vocational pastor that has to work, pastor a church, write for this website, go to school, have a family and grandchildren too…so Agreed? No hard feelings brother. Thank you.

Reply

John S August 23, 2013 at 5:01 pm

Thanks for your insight on this topic Jack. I really enjoyed reading the article. I had one question about the calling of new apostles after the death of Jesus. We know that the apostles chose Matthias to replace Judas so why did they not just keep calling new apostles after the death of the old ones to keep the apostleship going?
Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Thanks
John

Reply

Jack Wellman August 24, 2013 at 11:02 am

Thank you John for such a great question. I don’t believe that they continued to need to have more apostles since the church around 100 A.D. was well established and the gospel had been taken to the known world by that time. Remember that the apostle’s words were recorded and they because Scripture and the cannon or the Bible was closed after John’s writings. Any teachings of the apostles became Scripture and when the New Testament was already being in use by the time before the last apostles died, then they didn’t need to have continued apostles from then till today. The church’s history records that there were no more apostles selected as you can see with Polycarp, John’s disciple and Martry, etc.

Reply

John S August 25, 2013 at 2:37 am

Thanks for your reply Jack. I am not catholic but don’t they claim that Peter was the first Pope? And wouldn’t you consider the Pope to be a prophet/apostle in our day or what is the difference?
Thanks
John

Reply

Jack Wellman August 25, 2013 at 8:15 am

Thank you John. I see that you must believe that apostles are still being around today and continuing to pop up somehow and now I guess it seems you believe the Pope is a prophet and/or an apostle. I have been gong over this for dozens of months with many people…lately with Gene and with you sir. I can see you and I don’t agree nor will we ever apparently so let us please move on and part as friends on this subject for I am not going to persuade you nor you I. I am a bi-vocational pastor that has to work, pastor a church, write for this website, go to school, have a family and grandchildren too so I can see this will not ever end and you apparently believe this article and I am wrong and you are right and believe apostles are still around today and being born and the Pope is one as well so take care. This subject has been exhausted and I can see you are not satisfied with my answers so take care and No hard feelings brother. Thank you.

Reply

John S August 25, 2013 at 2:45 pm

Jack
I can tell that God keeps you very busy doing his work. This is a great forum for people to come to and learn. I appriciate very much your time in responding. I do not believe that the Pope is a Prophet. If I did then I would stop my search and become Catholic. I feel that something is just not right with how people say the era of the apostles and prophets ended and the subsaquent beginnings of the Catholic and modern Christian Church. I agree with you that after the death of the apostles God did stop calling men to replace them. With there being no one on earth to speak for God as the apostles did, we were left to interpret the Bible however we like. Falsehoods which the apostles warned us about and tried to correct crept in and many important truths/interpretations were lost. However I see evidence from the Bible that in preparation of the the lords second coming, God will once again restore ALL things to us. Here are a few scriptures that speak of these things.
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the cday of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(talks about a “falling away first” before Christ shall return)

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

There were also many of the reformers who also belived in the falling away and the need for the restoration of all things. One of them by the name of Roger Williams who was one of the founders of the Baptist movement said…
“There is no regularly-constitued church on earth, nor any person authorized to administer any Church ordinances: nor can there be, until new apostles are sent by the great Head of the Chruch, for whose coming I am seeking. The apostasy hath so far corrupted all, that there can be no recovery out of that apostasy until Christ shall send forth new apostles to plant churches anew.”
That is how I see things. In preparation of the lords second coming he promised to restore his full gospel back to the earth by sending us once again his apostles and prophets. Has that already happened??? I am not sure. But I will continue to search until I find them.
Thanks again for your time!!!
God Bless
John

Reply

Jack Wellman August 25, 2013 at 4:10 pm

I do hope your search brings you satisfaction John and I do pray it will be found in Scripture alone for anything outside of the Bible is subject to error but the Word of God is perfect and infallible and has no error. I would only trust what is between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21. Anything outside of these pages is of human origin and can not be trusted but I do pray you will find some answers and that those answers will be Scripturally based sir.

Reply

John S August 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm

Thanks for your words of warning Jack. I agree, the Bible is perfect but men are not so that is why I try to be overly cautious in my search. There are many false claims of one calling themselves the lords chosen prophet or apostle. I take my guidance from Matthew 7 and look at “their fruits” and the holy spirit to help me discern the truth. I do have one problem with the notion that God can not send us more prophets or apostles in our day. I find that teaching kind of dangerous. If God was to send us a Prophet like he did in the past and I had been taught my whole life that he wouldn’t do that, would i reject him like the Jews rejected the apostles of old? How could one read the Old Testament and at that time not see Jesus and the apostles for who they were. But would we be any different today? That is why I try to remain open to that possibility and will continue my search.
Thanks
John

Reply

Jack Wellman August 25, 2013 at 7:15 pm

Thank you John….you wrote that you “do have one problem with the notion that God can not send us more prophets or apostles in our day.I find that teaching kind of dangerous” but more dangerous is taking someone’s word for it and stepping outside of the Bible for this is what scholars call “extra-biblical” which is untrustworthy. We have all the revelation we need from the Bible to know how to be saved and to share the gospel with others, right? Why would we need more? Even Satan can appear as an angel of light and he is going to deceive many and in fact is said to have deceived the whole world in revelation and Satan has his own ministers. Why try to find extra-biblical evidence or search for more truth when the Bible already contains all we need that is necessary to be saved and to show others how to be saved? Why would we need more than this John?

Reply

phishing4men August 25, 2013 at 8:20 pm

God will send a prophet His name is Jesus and He knnows Hos sheepb and His sheepb know His voice Hos own will. Not miss it. As for prophets in thisb day who claim to foretell coming events they are all false prophets those prophets who forthtell the truth can exist today. Theb lack of need for foretellers is enough for the simplest child of God to know since we have scripture stating that within itsn pages we have enough to comen to saving faith in Him and live Godly. Mans curiosity to know more than God has revealed got us where we are today you and I have way more than needed to obey now. Seek the lost make disciples and live godly lives always trusting Him .

Reply

Jack Wellman August 25, 2013 at 8:53 pm

Well said my friend. I have all I need to know and it is revealed by God’s breathe already and why would I want to take a chance in trying to discern truth from error outside of the Bible when I don’t have to worry about it when I read the Word of God for it is always reliable and has no error in it…humans, not going there.

Reply

phishing4men August 25, 2013 at 10:02 pm

Please pardon all the typos, I did it on my phone, keyboard too small for big fingers, I really dislike those things. My mother-in-law(94 yrs old) is in hospital and requires 24/7 care, I am on day shift and wife takes nights, so was confined to phone for last few days, I will try to avoid using it in the future. God speed

Reply

Jack Wellman August 25, 2013 at 10:05 pm

No problem brother…this kind of proves my point. I like to tell the church that “Part of my sermon will be perfect today…the words that I read out of the Bible.” My part? Not so much. Love you brother…praying for God to keep strengthening you and for His glory and your sake.

Reply

Robert August 26, 2013 at 7:10 am

When we live our lives surrendered to the will of God; and we love the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind, body, and strength; and we live by the Spirit (allowing the Holy Spirit to guide our every decision and action), we have no need for further revelation or more prophets. The Christian life is a life to be lived in union with Jesus Christ. Oftentimes, it is a dangerous undertaking when one seeks divine revelation from the mouths of a man (or woman). Just my two cents.
Yours in Christ,
Robert

Reply

Amy E September 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm

This article doesn’t actually answer the question in its title. It would have been better if the title was something more along the lines of “Discerning False Prophets”.

Reply

Jack Wellman September 13, 2013 at 1:03 pm

Thank you Amy for your critique of this article. I am sorry you did not like it and believed if was wrong and that you didn’t agree with the title. Actually we have an article that addresses that very issue. This article’s intent was to address if prophets are still in the church today. That is what it was about specifically and so I am sorry you didn’t like it at all. Here is an article that may be more to what you were speaking about called “How to Identify a False Prophet” at:

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/how-to-identify-a-false-prophet-or-teacher/

Thank you. Even though you didn’t like this article I am glad you came to visit us.

Reply

phishing4men September 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm

Maybe you should start your own blog, let us know when you do.

Reply

Amy Escobar September 13, 2013 at 4:52 pm

Jack Wellman, it’s not that I “didn’t like it at all”, but I still am not sure if you really answered the question outright. You bring up the issue of false prophets, and you highlight the truth that the Word is no longer being added to, so there is no need for those kind of revelations any more. But the question is “Are there still prophets today”? I suppose I would have liked to understand definition of “prophet” first before delving into the dangers of false prophets. But moreover, I’d like to know whether or not you actually think prophets still exist today.

phishing4men,
I actually do have a blog of my own, though it is primarily meant for personal use.

Reply

Jack Wellman September 13, 2013 at 5:17 pm

Amy Escobar, let me ask you if you believe if there are still prophets out there today? What do you believe about whether there are or there are not?

Reply

Jack Wellman September 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm

Actually you answered for me as to whether there are still prophets today as I staid that there is no need for those kinds of revelations anymore because we have all the revelation we need in the Word of God, the Bible. Do you believe we have all the revelation we need or is there more that we need outside of the Bible?

Reply

Amy Escobar September 13, 2013 at 5:30 pm

Jack,
I don’t know if there are still prophets or not, partially because I am not exactly sure of the definition of “prophet”. Or “prophecy” for that matter.

Also, I believe that we have all we need, but there is also a challenge in scripture to seek the signs of the times. Specifically signs in social trends and astrological markings. But yeah, the Bible is finished. And I’m not an emergent-church kind of gal either. I just consider myself a plain ‘ol Christian.

Reply

Jack Wellman September 13, 2013 at 5:36 pm

Thank you Amy. I am so with you on the emergent- church think. I’d rather take a “plain ‘ol Christian kind of gal” over a thousand self-proclaimed prophets or emergent church members. Well said Amy. Thank you.

As for seeking the signs of the times, I believe (maybe I’m wrong…not the first time) you mean we should be cautious? I also take it that you do not believe in social trends and astrological markings, as these are an abomination to the Lord. Thanks…..

PS, loved your blog! Very nice.

Reply

Chris Oaks September 13, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Don’t you think it’s a bit naive to think that the Bible contains ALL of gods word. Prophets have been on the earth for thousands of years so it is highly unlikely that all if Gods reviled word is contained in the Bible. The Bible is 120% true but it still leaves us with many questions unanswered. It even mentions many different books and other prophets that are not contained in the Bible it’s self. So what happened to all of the other writings?
Thanks
Chris

Reply

Jack Wellman September 13, 2013 at 7:48 pm

Thank you Mr. Oaks for your comment sir. If the Bible is 20% true, and I agree with you, what more do we need sir? What is missing from the Bible that we need? The Bible contains all we need to be saved and if we do have many questions unanswered which are not found in the Bible, what would it help for we already know that the plan of salvation is completed (Rom 10:9-13, etc.). What books are missing from the Bible may I ask? Thanks Mr. Oaks.

Reply

Leave a Comment





Previous post:

Next post: