Who Was Cain’s Wife? Does This Contradict the Creation Story?

by Jack Wellman on May 5, 2012 · Print Print · Email Email

Since Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve’s first two children, how could Cain have found a wife?  Where did Cain’s wife come from?  Does this conflict with the story of Creation?  What in the Bible can help us to solve this seemingly contradiction?

Did Jesus Believe in Creation or Evolution?

Does Jesus believe in evolution?  The Bible clearly indicates that Jesus believed in the creation story because there are many Scriptures that say that All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made (John 1:3 and also Eph 3:9, Cols 1:16-17, Rev 14:7, etc.).  Surely He believes that the Word of God is without error because Jesus mentioned the flood of Noah as He said in Matthew 24:37 As in the days of Noah, so shall also be the coming of the Son of Man be.”  Jesus also believed the story of Jonah and the great fish as He said in Matthew 12:39 that A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.”

There is no doubt that Jesus believed in the creation because He said in Matthew 19:4-5, Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”  Jesus is referring to Genesis 1:27 when God made Adam from the dust of the ground and also Eve.  Since God created or made them male and female, and they were given names, then this disputes the claims of evolution.  Even by an evolutionistic standard and deist view of God (deists believe in a hands-off, observing-only God), God made them and Eve “became his [Adam’s] wife.”  When a name is ascribed to Adam and Eve, we must conclude that they did not evolve over eons of time from a single-celled amoeba because he “made them male and female”, “at the beginning.”  A single-celled amoeba is neither male nor female but asexual.  Jesus quoted Genesis 1:27 and so He must believe in the literal creation account.  There is no way to interpret this metaphorically but only literally since it is repeated in Genesis 5:1-2, When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God.  He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.”  Not one thing is said about or even hinted that there was a long period of time or that they evolved however, this does not necessarily mean that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Who Was Cain's Wife

With the enormous life spans of humans, there would be a sufficient population of humans for which Cain could find a wife.

Genesis Life Spans

There is a clear indication that after the flood of Noah, the multiple century life spans of humans ended.  The only reason we live so long today is due to medical science and improved healthcare.  Contrary to evolution, where life spans should supposedly get longer and the specie gets stronger, human life spans have been devolving.  We could call it a devolution and it is due to the effects of sin.  The Psalmist gives the average age of humans as seventy years–or eighty, if we have the strength (Psalm 90:10).  Before the flood, the life span of humans was drastically longer.  These shorter life spans are due to the cumulative effects of sin, sin being the wages or what is paid to humans as a result of our sins and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).  When Adam and Eve were created, they were perfect until the day that they sinned.  We must assume that if they had not sinned, they would have had eternal, physical life because they had no genetic flaws, there was no disease, no health problems, no need for doctors or hospitals…there was no sin and so the human specimen was about as perfect as there could have possibly been (Gen 3:22).  Adam lived a very long life and did not die until he was 930 years old (Gen 5:3).

In Adam’s life span, he had many more children and his sons became fathers and the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years and then he died (Gen 5:26-27).  Life spans were enormous at the beginning of the human species as Genesis 5:28-32 shows, When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son.  He named him Noah and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed.” After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters.  Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died. After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.” Even Noah lived to be 950 years old (Gen 9:29).

Where Did Cain’s Wife Come From?

Cain and Abel  were Adam and Eve’s first two children but they had many, many more children. Since at the time life spans covered multiple centuries, this meant that Adam and Eve had many children and these children grew and spread out and had many children of their own.  There is every indication that by the time Cain was able to take a wife, there must have been dozens, perhaps even a hundred or more of people living on the earth.  Besides, God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground (Gen 1:28).  Too key verses are mentioned: “Be fruitful and increase in number” and also they were to “fill the earth.”  Since there was limited space and resources where Adam and Eve lived and the fact that they had many children, they must have spread.

After Cain murdered his brother Abel, God sent him away and he ended up living east of Eden (Gen 4:16).  This is where Cain met and married his wife and they bore a child named Enoch (Gen 4:17).  At this same location, Cain built a city and we can assume that if he built an entire city, there must have been many other people living there already or at least nearby.  Therefore, by the time Cain was an adult and was sent away by God, Adam and Eve must have had many other children and by simple addition and then multiplication, there could have been at least hundreds of descendants already having been spread out and multiplied around the areas of Eden.  There is no doubt that Cain married a relative of his parents Adam and Eve but since Adam and Eve were blessed by God and they were fruitful and multiplied and their descendants spread out over the earth, there was no difficulty in Cain finding a wife at all.  With life spans of over 900 years for the first human beings, this easily gave adequate time for multiple children and these dozens of generations of the children of Adam and Eve to have their children’s children who had children and so on.  These children had children who became Adam and Eve’s grand children, great grandchildren, and on and on.

The conclusion is that Jesus did not believe in evolution but in creation and that after the creation of humans, they multiplied at a great rate.  And with the enormous life spans of humans, there would be a sufficient population of humans for which Cain could find a wife.  Jesus believed in the account of Noah and the flood, He believed in the story of Jonah and the great fish, He believed in Adam and Eve being created and Jesus believed in the creation of all things.  Since Jesus is God of very God and God can not lie, then it must be true.  As the Scriptures say:

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us (Heb 6:18).

In the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,  and which now at his appointed season he has brought to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior (Titus 1:2-3).

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind (Num 23:19a).

Since the Bible is the Word of God and it says that Cain found himself a wife, I believe it because God is not a man “that He should lie.”

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Debbie Benefield May 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm

Why do you write the question Did Jesus Believe in creation or evolution? Jesus is God. Jesus was the word that created the world.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth., John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. KJV.
This is a Look at the Holy Trinity:
“The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial (Greek: ὁμοούσιοι). Put another way, the three persons of the Trinity are of one being (Greek: οὐσία).[2] The Trinity is considered to be a mystery of Christian faith.[3]
According to this doctrine, there is only one God in three persons. Each person is God, whole and entire. They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: as the Fourth Lateran Council declared, “it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds”. While distinct in their relations with one another, they are one in all else. The whole work of creation and grace is a single operation common to all three divine persons, who at the same time operate according to their unique properties, so that all things are from the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit.[4]“

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Jack May 5, 2012 at 1:35 pm

Thank you Mrs. Benefield for your comment and question. The very reason that I asked whether Jesus believed in Creation was that Jesus quoted Genesis and was the Creator indeed. The Bible clearly indicates that Jesus believed in the creation story because there are many Scriptures that say that “All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made” as is stated in John 1:3.

I also do believe in the Trinity just as you described but I am assuming you pasted some source since you have some notations in it like [1] thru [4]. I totally agree with you on this point. Thank you for your comment.

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Debbie Benefield May 5, 2012 at 1:54 pm

Thank you for your response so quickly. I was taken back I guess by the words “believe” Why would he not believe I thought. He was there and took part. Like do I believe that I am writing this statement, why wouldn’t I, I am the one doing it. Why do we need to ask that? Was more my perspective.

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Jack May 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm

Thank you so much for your quick response too. Great comments about the Trinity. You summed it up so well. Sorry that the question, which was rhetorical, confused you. My fault.

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Debbie Benefield May 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm

I was under the impression from my Pastors and scripture itself that Jesus was also about the business of drawing attention to scriptures that were linking his current ministry with the prophets of the Old covenant. That he was in fact by his coming, his ministry here on earth, was in fact fulfilling what the OT Prophets said… the Messiah would do. That is all when the words “believe” are thrown in there It gives the impression that Jesus though being fully man was not fully God.

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Jack May 5, 2012 at 2:18 pm

Yes ma’am, you are correct. Again, I accept responsibility but my point was that Jesus believed in the Old Testament and quoted Genesis. He also did, as you correctly stated, fulfilling the Old Testament prophets. The main body of this article was intentionally directed at skeptics of the Bible that try to find error in Scriptures in an attempt to debunk God as a myth. The question, “Who Was Cain’s Wife? Does This Contradict the Creation Story?” specifically addressed this question where many unbelieved that the Bible is full of error and thus we can not believe it. But your comment is well received and may be a great idea for an article with just the point you were making about Jesus in relation to fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies by the Old Testament prophets. Thank you.

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Debbie Benefield May 5, 2012 at 2:16 pm

Thank you again. I am not too worried about me… I have good teachers and Shepards in my church. I do worry about others and how they may interpret things sometimes. Alot of folks out there without good Shepards. I think my church actually has one of your books in our library.

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Jack May 5, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Thank you so much Mrs. Benefield. I did a little research and actually have an article on this very subject at the link below called “Fulfilled Prophecies of Jesus Christ” but I am so overjoyed that there are women of God like you who have a hunger and thirst to know more about God and even in the church I pastor, there are few women who have this desire such as you. My compliments.

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/fulfilled-prophecies-of-jesus-christ/

Another one that I found was very interesting was an astounding one called “What are the Odds of Jesus’ 700 Plus Prophecies Fulfillment?” at:

http://voices.yahoo.com/what-odds-jesus-700-plus-prophecies-fulfillment-5064980.html

Only Jesus Christ being very God could accomplish something so sure as this!

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Mary Ausdahl May 5, 2012 at 5:21 pm

Jack…enjoy your articles…God blessed us with inquisitive minds for a reason(granted some take it too far:)…how many people would ‘study and search the scriptures’ if He gave all the answers?…may follow with some questions…:)

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Jack May 5, 2012 at 5:34 pm

Thank you so much Mrs/Ms Ausdahl. I know that if a man or woman lived a thousand or a million years in our mortal bodies we could not come close to plumbing the depths of the riches of His knowledge or His Word, for I find the more I learn, the more I see just how ignorant of so much I am as of yet. You may of course follow with some questions, and some of which may be “I just don’t know” for where the Bible is silent, so must I be…and if it is not revealed in the Bible, then I have no business speculating. Please do come back again ma’am.

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Elias May 8, 2012 at 5:29 am

I am not bothered if we were created or evolved (or rather, were evolved). The Bible also talks about God stopping the sun in Joshua 10. Science shows that time can be as pliable as Silly Putty. God lives outside time, and 2 Peter 3 describes a day like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day to the Lord. This kind of blows my mind in a good way. If there is a God who is powerful enough to create us in the six literal 24 hour periods, He can also do the same thing in 4 or 5 or 20 billion years or however long. It’s like, “Time? Pfft. I created it.” He can also make it look like six days. He can also create everything in six days and on the seventh day, everything is in place and running on schedule as if it had always existed. Is one day one earth day? Maybe God’s idea of one day is different than ours. Maybe the big bang is “Let there be light” and it would be so awesome and amazing if the whole universe exploded into being just because God said so? I’m generally AOK with anything God does, and when I’m not OK with it, then I default to it being my problem and my sin and I need to take it to God. It’s OK if I don’t fully understand everything, because I don’t and I won’t understand in this lifetime. As I enter middle age, the only thing I realize is how little I know. God also has a sense of humor, given my repeated inability to adhere to the laws of physics (I fall UP the stairs, and if my toe can hit it, it will). What’s up with that God? I’m trying to add some levity, I hope nobody will mind. I don’t know how else to reconcile a literal creation story with a seemingly obvious scientific record. When in doubt, it’s OK to just believe it the way God said it. My metaphor is, I love looking at the stars, I love astronomy so much, it’s so amazing (God: “Fireworks? Pfft. I’ll show you fireworks.” bang: supernova) that I sort of hope when I die, Jesus takes me on a whirl around the universe in his 64 Mustang convertible and we sit on an ice planet and watch a couple of stars explode. I was born on July 4 — my grandparents told me that everyone in the USA shoots off fireworks just for *me*. I have discovered that just about every firecracker baby’s grandparents tell them that. They also told me that God put the moon there to watch over me if I ever got afraid of the dark. So I kind of have this romanticized notion of nature. Whichever way it happened, God is so extravagant that I am left slackjawed when I look up at the sky. I am also reminded how the Old Testament told how Jesus was going to go to the cross, and how He pretty much spelled it out for his disciples, and they *still* didn’t get it until later. It’s like, if everything is in front of them and they still have a “duh” moment, then everything concerning the creation of the world is right in front of us in the Bible, and we’re going to say “Oh! That’s what You meant!” and it’s going to be just another wonderful thing, and one of the smallest wonders that will be revealed to us in eternity. Sometimes I wonder if, in light of the disciples looking at the empty tomb, still not understanding that Christ had to be raised from the dead, I wonder if it all happened in a way that nobody, scientist or theologian, has figured out, and yet it’s right in front of us. When I had my heart attack and thought I was going to die, the hospital chaplain said the most amazing thing — he said that it will take all eternity to know everything there is to know about God, and then at the “end” of eternity, we will see that eternity stretches out to infinity and infinity to eternity, and we will realize that all we know about God is still less than a drop in the ocean of an infinte and eternal God. God’s that big and that amazing and that wonderful.

So however it pans out, I’m ok with. Just as long as Jesus died for *me* and as long as His blood is shed for me, then if He would do that mind blowing thing for me, I joyfully anticipate all the other mysteries and paradoxes being revealed to me whenever He chooses to do so. Until then, the universe is too big and too amazing to just have come into being on its own, and I was on a sailboat in the Caribbean once and the lights were out and no human light sources on the horizon and the stars were stunningly gorgeous. Then I saw a shooting star and it was all “Fireworks? I’ll show you fireworks.”

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Nobert Mazunze July 7, 2012 at 1:39 am

Thank you Jack,for answering the question I always get from most non believers I come across.
Thank you again for bringing about the subject,for I also have questions pertaining creation, I hope you will help me with the answers.

My first question comes from the creation of Adam. On Gen 1 vs 27: And God proceeded to create the man in his image,in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them(NWT). On Gen 2 vs 7 :And Jehovah God proceeded to form man out of dust…….. Also Gen 5 vs 2. Now my question is what is it that God created on 1:27 ?, because on 2;7 it is where we are told that God made man out of dust. Also does it mean that on 1:27 the female was inside the body of the male? Because on 2:21 that is where Eve being created.

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Jack Wellman July 7, 2012 at 11:09 am

Thank you Norbert. In Gen 1:27 it says, “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them;male and female he created them.”

Mankind is included men and women. So God created male and female, and mankind includes both. God took a rib from Adam to include in His creation of Eve so the implications are that women and men are of the same material (dust) and are co-equal before God. No, I do not believe Eve was inside man but they are essentially of the same material…dust. Only a rib was used of Adam, not that the woman came out of the man literally. This is a great question. Much of this is a mystery beyond my human comprehension. The point is that God created mankind and not that they just evolved.

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naomi July 7, 2012 at 8:47 am

Maybe instead of does jesus believe saying does jesus support would create less confusion because before reading the other comments I was going to say the same thing.

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Matthew Jallah July 18, 2012 at 5:17 am

I want to know Cain was how many year old when he killed his brother Abel? and how many year passed before he got marriage?

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Matthew Jallah July 18, 2012 at 5:26 am

I want to know Cain was how many year old when he killed his brother Abel? and how many year passed before he got marriage?

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Jack Wellman July 18, 2012 at 3:05 pm

Matthew. I have no clue about how old Cain was when he killed Abel and how many years passed before he got married. I couldn’t find it in the Bible. Is there a particular reason you want to know sir?

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taiwo July 30, 2012 at 2:53 am

hello. I was going through this website and i was inspired by the words of the bible and the way you answered all the questions asked. I believe in God and i try to be sinless even though i know i am a sinner. i was watchind a youtube video someday and this took me to a certain websiite
http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm
talking about the garden of eden and what had happened in it. it talked about adam and eve also having two daughters and cain getting married to one of them. i am quite confused and i don’t want to believe in it but it kinds of correlate with the bible. can you please take a look at it.

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Jack Wellman July 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

Thank you Taiwo for your comment and question. Let me say that I can not find any Scriptures supporting this idea that Cain married one of his sisters but this must have been so because there weren’t any other women available at that time other than the children of Adam and Eve. I will take a look sir. Thank you.

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taiwo August 1, 2012 at 5:44 pm

hello. am quite confused now. can you please convince me if this website is of God’s teaching.
http://thelightofgodministry.org/worldwideprophecies.html

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Jack Wellman August 1, 2012 at 7:12 pm

Hello Taiwo. I would stay far away from that website. It is full of prophecies that never came true. That is a false prophet by the Bible’s definition. Just from what he said, and I quote, “”I CAN BREAK CURSES, DEFEAT DEMONS, INTERPRET DREAMS, REMOVE EVIL SPIRITS AND HELP ANYONE WITH ANY MEDICAL CONDITION OR PROBLEM WITH SICKNESS.”

This is a website that the Devil is using and not of God for sure. Thank you for visiting us and for your question.

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taiwo August 2, 2012 at 7:50 am

thanks for your reply.

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anosike ugochukwu September 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm

Is it scripturally sound to enforce or preach tithing to new covenant believers

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Jack Wellman September 11, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Hello Anosike. Great question and this is interesting because we are presently working on a article that addresses this very same issue. In short, I find no New Testament Scriptures that support the idea that Christians are obligated to pay a tithe. The word “tithe” is an old English word meaning tenth or 10%. I believe all believers should be giving to their local churches and also supporting good, solid, biblical ministries but some can give more than 10%, some can only afford a few dollars per month but I believe you can not outgive God and He will bless the giver according to their generosity and not just in money but in other things. No church or pastor should teach that tithing is commanded or a Christian is obligated to tithe. It is not taught anywhere in the New Covenant or by Jesus, Paul, Peter or anywhere else. It is part of the Mosaic Law in my opinion. Even so, we will reap what we sow. Does this help my friend?

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Ethan Houser October 8, 2012 at 7:50 am

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but your explanations seem like a real stretch. For me, it even makes the stories seem more implausible. This idea that, well, ‘everything was really weird back then and that’s why it doesn’t make sense to us’—seems like a cop out.

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Evelyn Moreno October 24, 2012 at 12:16 pm

i would liken to know where i could get this infomation in spanish for a freind.

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Jack Wellman October 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm

Evelyn. I don’t know where this information would be available in Spanish. I am glad you have a friend who speaks Spanish. I am bi-lingual. I wish I was close enough to translate. They do have translation websites that can translate paragraphs and you can do it this way, one paragraph at a time.

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Evelyn Moreno October 24, 2012 at 12:17 pm

i meant to say like to know

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Evelyn Moreno October 24, 2012 at 12:22 pm

i have a question,can this be possible that cusins,and brothers and sisters aunts and uncles ext,ext layed together.. ?

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Jack Wellman October 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm

Hello Evelyn. I believe that direct relatives were who they married and had children with. This was not sin then because God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply to fill the earth. Also, the gene pool was limited and so birth defects that result from marrying and bearing children within the same family that happens today did not happen then, so to answer your question, yes, it is highly possible, and in fact it HAD to be that Cain married into his relatives.

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James Kurz November 16, 2012 at 7:41 am

Hi jack love your stories but you seemed to skirt round the issue of who cains wife was. It’s obvious there must have been sexual relations between brother and sister and in all likelihood cains wife was his sister. This wouldn’t have been a problem since the first humans was genetically perfect. Infact incest wasn’t outlawed until the mosaic law was given. So you should have said it from the start. James Kurz England.

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Alvaro March 28, 2013 at 9:49 am

“There is every indication that by the time Cain was able to take a wife, there must have been dozens, perhaps even a hundred or more of people living on the earth.”

Cain is Adam and Eve’s first son (as the article itself points out), so he would have been the first of their descendents to be able to take a wife. Where did all those other people come from?

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Jack Wellman March 28, 2013 at 1:00 pm

Hello Alvaro. Thank you for your question sir. As I mentioned in this article, since the life spans were so very, very long, it would not be any problem to have a sufficient number of available women to be Cain’s wife. The fact that there were likely hundreds of people born by this time, both from Eve and the dozens of descendents of Adam and Eve’s children, makes it easy for there to be several women available for Cain to marry. Does this make sense sir? I can not explain every detail for the Bible does not give us everything about the numbers of people born and living by the time Cain chose a wife but I believe the Bible and I know that it is without error.

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Samuel A, Huber December 17, 2013 at 7:01 pm

Hello everyone. In response to the question of where Cain found his wife: The short answer is that he went to the land of Nod where there were peoples living that were of the 6th day creation. (The Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden were of the 8th day creation, they not only were not the only two, but were not even the first two humans created)

I know this will upset and or confuse some but it is really quite plainly laid out in the scriptures. I will go into the long answer below so you can clearly read and see for yourself.
I do not understand how this manages to be such a stumbling block for so many, the only reason I can think of is that it is due to the traditions of men and the false teachings that we are so often warned about in the Word.

I think everyone is on the same page and agrees with everything Genesis tells us, right up to and through Gen.1:28 through 31. Where God made “…Man in Our image in verse 27 and ending verse 31 with that being “…the sixth day.” Right?

Then in Chapter 2:1 through 3 we learn about how he rested on the seventh day and sanctified it.

This next part is where some seem to get lost along the way. Towards the end of verse 5 it says that “… there was not a man to till the ground.” This would be a farmer or a “husbandman” as it is called in other places in the Word.

This is where it starts to get interesting now, remember God created people on the 6th day already. And ok, it doesn’t actually come right out and say that this was the 8th day but I think it is implied and surely wouldn’t have been too long after the 7th day.

(Because there was not yet a man to till the ground…) Gen. 2:7 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” This is THE Adam of Adam and Eve in the Garden as we read from Ch.2 verses 8 through 18. Then verses 19 through 23 tells us of how he created Eve for an “help meet for him.”

So as you can see, God created different peoples (races) on the 6th day. It tells us that he made some hunters and some fishermen and such. He however did not have a husbandman/farmer to “till the ground. (Verse 5)
As I said, it doesn’t come right out and say it was the 8th day when he created Adam and Eve and put them into the garden of Eden, but it was definitely AFTER the 7th day, and MOST definitely after the 6th day creation.

So we see that Adam, Eve and their offspring were not the only people on earth. Gen. 4:16 “And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.”

So obviously there were people of the 6th day creation living in the land of Nod, and Cain found and married a wife there.

I hope this helps some people out and clears up things.

Sincerely & humbly,
Samuel A. Huber

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