Can a Christian Drink Alcohol?

by Jack Wellman on April 21, 2012 · Print Print · Email Email

Is it sin for a Christian to drink alcohol?  Can believers drink wine, beer or hard liquor?  What does the Bible say about consuming alcohol?

Should Christians Drink Alcohol?

This question has been a divisive issue for as many years as Christianity has been around.  Many denominations forbid any consumption of alcohol at all and you can be disfellowshiped in some churches.  What about the alcohol that is found in some cough medicines?  Is it wrong for Christians to drink this too?  Some churches have even divided over this issue.  It is a stumbling block for some believers while for others they see no problem at all with having a beer once in a while or a glass of wine at dinner.

In the Old Testament and the New Testament there are many Scriptures about alcohol and I could not find even one Scripture that strictly prohibits the drinking of alcohol.  Even strong drink is mentioned but this may refer to something that is more fermented than wine, much like that of hard liquor.

Can A Christian Drink AlcoholDo Not Be Drunk

The Bible is clear that drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God.  First Corinthians 6:9-10 says, Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists will inherit the kingdom of God.”  Romans 13:13 has another warning about drunkenness: Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy.”

The problem of drinking alcohol is not the alcohol itself because Paul tells Timothy to Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses (1 Tim 5:23).  Surely if alcohol was a sin, Paul would not have recommended it to Timothy who was a pastor. There is some medical evidence that a little wine is helpful, not only to the stomach, but for the body in general, however anything in excess is nothing but trouble.  Solomon wrote, “Wine is a mocker, Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise (Pro 20:10).  Here, Solomon mentions strong drink being a “brawler” and I have heard too many experiences where there are fights in bars and clubs due to excessive alcohol consumption.  The same would apply to having too much wine or beer.

Isaiah addresses the effects of drunkenness by writing,But they also have erred through wine, And through intoxicating drink are out of the way; The priest and the prophet have erred through intoxicating drink, [priests were not allowed to drink at all - Lev 10:9] They are swallowed up by wine, They are out of the way through intoxicating drink; They err in vision, they stumble in judgment” (Is 28:7).  This makes me think about drunk drivers who frequently kill innocent victims on the highways, kill themselves on deserted roads and even died from an alcohol overdose.  Making someone else drink for immoral reasons is terribly sinful as Habakkuk records, Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbor, Pressing him to your bottle, Even to make him drunk, That you may look on his nakedness (Hab 2:15)!  Isaiah also writes, “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” (Is 5:22).

Alcohol lead to a judgment in error even for Noah: And Noah began to be a farmer, and he planted a vineyard.  Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.  But Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father’s nakedness (Gen 9:20-23).  Solomon seems to speak from experience where he wrote, Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has contentions? Who has complaints? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes?  Those who linger long at the wine, Those who go in search of mixed wine. Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, When it swirls around smoothly; At the last it bites like a serpent, And stings like a viper.  Your eyes will see strange things, And your heart will utter perverse things (Pro 23:29-33).  Some of these verses show that too much alcohol will make us utter things perverse (unseemly things for a Christian to say) and see strange things (blurred vision or the proverbial pink elephant).

Drink But Not to Drunkenness

We have already read that strong drink or wine in excessive amounts is sin and leads to poor decisions and sometimes to immorality, but this does not mean that God forbids wine and strong drink altogether.  During the Feast of Tabernacles, God told Israel that they could, exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose.  Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice (Duet 14:24-26).  This does not mean that they can get drunk but alcohol in moderation is permissible, just as Paul told Timothy to drink “a little wine” (note that Paul said a little) for his stomach (1 Tim 5:23).

Solomon wrote that God provided blessings for His people writing, He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate— bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts (Psalm 104:14-14).   He also wrote, Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do (Eccl 9:7).

No Stumbling Blocks

I do not believe that Paul was against drinking wine because he recommends to Timothy to drink some for medicinal purposes but we know that he called drunkenness sin.   For those who have had problems with alcohol or are alcoholics, we should not drink in their presence because we can put a stumbling block of offense before them (2 Cor 6:3).  Other Christians who do not believe in drinking alcohol should be given the same respect for their abstinence.  Paul wrote about creating a stumbling block before those whose conscience does not allow them to eat meat sacrificed to idols but the same principle can certainly be applied to drinking alcohol.  Paul wrote, Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak.  For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols?  So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.  When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.  Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall (I Cor 8:9-13).

This article is not recommending that a Christian drink or that they should not drink, but only to consider the conscience of others who might be offended by your drinking.  Some are recovering alcoholics and are overwhelmed by the urge to take a drink even if they see it or smell it.  A key here is to know where your Christian friends stand on the issue of alcohol and if you do drink, do so in moderation only.  Nothing ever good comes from drunkenness.  Never try to encourage others to drink (Hab 2:15).  They are free to do what their own conscience allows them to do. If they feel it is sin to them, leave it at that and don’t make an issue out of it.  Many scholars have even said that wine was consumed in the Middle East because much of the water in biblical times was unsafe and had to be mixed with wine in order to make it safe.  There is much debate about this but there should be no debate when it comes to alcohol. If it makes my brother or sister stumble, I will not drink in front of them.  If they do drink, I will not keep filling their glass against their will.  Let all things be done in moderation and all things for the glory of God.

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chris April 21, 2012 at 9:27 am

I am very interested in reading what you all have to say about this as this “issue” is something I have given a lot of thought and prayer about. First my own history. My parents only drank some and stopped when I was born, my dad stopped smoking too – the logic was that they did not want me to learn these habits from them. Also the church we attended at the time spoke out against drinking completely. Growing up I drank enough beer and wine to realize I just didn’t like the flavor all that much and I never liked being around drunks. They are only fun to be with if you are not sober :-) Now that I am older I have a mild taste for alcohol but it isn’t so good to me that it is worth spending the money on. I have so many better things to do with my resources than buy wine and beer. No judgement on those who can and do by saying that, it’s just not important to me. So that’s my history with it.

Now, I truly 100% believe that the bible does NOT teach us that drinking alcohol is a sin. I think it is a perversion of the reading, misunderstanding of the context, naivety to call the wine in the bible “juice”, or simply ignoring scriptures that plainly speak to the drinking of wine without judgement or condemnation as a sin. This article mentions many such examples. I have some friends who are believers and Christ followers, the ones who have in fact spurred this recent self/biblical examination of the consumption of alcohol, who like to quote Psalm 104:14-15 as proof of the acceptance of drinking: “14 He causes grass to grow for the livestock and provides crops for man to cultivate, producing food from the earth,15 wine that makes man’s heart glad…”. I agree, this seem clear that the wine that God has allowed mankind to know how to cultivate and produce makes one’s heart glad and this is ok. I also find evidence that Jesus did in fact drink wine for when he himself (in His own words…red letter here) compared himself to John the Baptist, Jesus noted in Matt 11:19 that “The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.” Jesus’ ministry, compared to that of John the Baptist, was heavily social. He ate and drank at many sinner’s and “saints” homes. There he would clearly have been offered fermented, alcoholic wine.

So what is my stance on this issue? I have three issues that I want to suggest we need to focus on with respect to Christians who drink.

1. How Christians define being drunk. It is very clear in the bible that drunkenness is in fact a sin. My friends whom I mentioned before were partiers in college and would frequently drink to excess at these parties, they have told us just a handful of the stories. Those in attendance at a typical college (even high school) party are, for the most part, pretty clear and easy to label as being sinfully drunk. They fit the description we see in this article from the biblical accounts. The clothing comes off, the sexual and moral inhibitions are removed, they are not in control of their bodies, sometimes can’t hold their stomach’s content, their urine or feces (hey its reality people), certainly shouldn’t drive or have responsibilities entrusted to them. They are sinfully drunk. However lets fast forward 20 years. Married and with kids, the same couple spends a Saturday leisurely drinking at their home around the pool. Not “drunk” and reveling like in the college days, but also not willing (or perhaps able) to drive a car. I believe that they are still in this situation sinfully drunk. I believe that Christians should never, ever consume enough alcohol that it keeps them from doing ANYTHING they would be able or expected to do if they had not consumed alcohol. This discrepancy over the definition of drunkenness is where we run into a big divide amongst believers, and where many may in fact be deceived and/or deceiving themselves, and are being tripped up. If you cannot leave a restaurant, your home, or a party and legally or functionally drive a car, etc. you are drunk.

2. Gluttony. Speaking of gluttony from my earlier example about Jesus and the accusations against him, my second stance on this issue is that many Christians who are not QUITE drinking to the point of that obvious and ugly point of being “DRUNK” are still in fact sinning. I believe they are guilty of gluttony. I’ve watched as my believing friends drink 80-96 ounces of beer at a meal. Yes, they walked out in a perfectly straight line but mercifully did not drive themselves home – I told you that they drank heavily in college and their continued lifestyle drinking has preserved a high tolerance for alcohol consumption. However, when you view just how much liquid this is (basically 7 cans of beer) you realize nobody ever would drink that much water, Coke, lemonade, or any other beverage normally. This appears to me to be a gluttonous consumption.

3. The attitude and reason. Truly, almost any sin we commit comes down to this. Harsh words spoken in rebuke to a brother meant to turn him/her from sinfulness is a blessing (James 5:19-20 “19 My brothers, if any among you strays from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his life from death and cover a multitude of sins.”). Yet these same words spoken to him/her in judgement and derision are sinful and dangerous. What was the motivation? Too many times alcohol is used to create fun and personality, too many times it is used to try and erase sin and cares. This is sinful. I believe that having been given the Holy Spirit, we have all the power we need to handle all of life’s trials and tribulations. To seek any external thing, alcohol, movies, music, etc. etc. etc. is sinful and demeans the Holy Spirit and His work in our lives.

I think when it comes to drinking in public, particularly at restaurants, it is very easy for Christians to make this an easy thing to do right. Go, sit, order an adult beverage. Then be sure to pray a prayer of thanks for that meal (not in a showy manner, ever, but out of sincere thanks) and eat and drink in a manner that glorifies God and pays tribute to the testimony you just gave by publicly your meal. If you can’t pray a blessing and feel good about how you then consume your food and alcohol, well my brothers and sisters, it is my belief that you are, or have been sinning in your approach to alcohol.

So, that’s my take on this. We have the freewill and freedom in Christ to drink. How we do it is of utmost importance. I apologize for the length of this but would welcome the feedback and debate on what I have said.

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Belay September 1, 2012 at 11:57 am

I agree what you said. I think that is it what the Bible says. The prohibition has to do with drunkenness; and from drunkenness comes out a lot of sins. And it is not difficult to remember that Jesus turned the water into a good wine-alcohol.

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Timothy Vukomanovic February 15, 2014 at 12:55 am

Your argument that somehow the sin of drunkenness is has something to do with your ability to legally drive a car is absurd. Blood alcohol limits are set by men not God. In some places the blood alcohol limit is 0.00 in others 0.08 there are even places where it is set as high as 0.12. Following your logic, drinking anything in some countries would be committing a sin of drunkenness.

Christians who listen to the Holy Spirit will be informed when their drinking is becoming a sin in the eyes of God and they will know that they need to reform their ways.

You might ask yourself what a drunkard is. When I read those passages I understand it as someone who is on a regular basis drunk or someone who acts and behaves in a sinful manner when drunk. A drunkard is not a person who gets drunk on one occasion or even two occasions.

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Gabriel April 21, 2012 at 10:48 am

@Chris

You wrote: ‘This discrepancy over the definition of drunkenness is where we run into a big divide amongst believers, and where many may in fact be deceived and/or deceiving themselves, and are being tripped up. If you cannot leave a restaurant, your home, or a party and legally or functionally drive a car, etc. you are drunk.’

I agree that there must be inevitable discrepancy over the definition of ‘drunkenness’ but I feel sure that your ideas here are not at all illuminating. Bringing ‘being able to drive a car’ into it is not helpful. You mention the ability to ‘functionally drive a car’ as an indicator of level of sobriety. I submit that the word ‘functionally’ is meaningless in this context; people can be thoroughly intoxicated and still make a car ‘function’, and/or make use of all of its ‘functions’. What they cannot do in that instance is be relied upon in the eyes of society to drive without posing a risk to other drivers and to pedestrians. So by ‘functionally’ you really just mean ‘legally’ (which you had already said – but that’s ok, being tautologous is not a sin). That means that your point was essentially this: Christians should look to secular law and its dictations on the blood alcohol level for clarification on when ‘drunkenness’ begins. Perhaps that’s actually not such a bad idea when you consider 1 Peter 2:13. Personally I am not impressed by secular legal regulation on the blood alcohol limit because (a) there is no agreed limit between countries or even within countries (among the American states for example) and because (b) the legal limit is subject to change (and often is changed). Christians would be mistaken, therefore, to look for moral guidance (and certainly not moral certainty) in secular law. They should look instead to their own conscience and their own self-knowledge. BAL is not a guide to behaviour. Some people can drink all night, putting themselves well over a particular legal limit and they wil be the best of company, the most articulate of speakers, and the most considerate of other people’s comfort. Some other people can drink half a beer and become unrecognisably offensive, argumentative, aggressive, and antisocial.

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Gabriel April 21, 2012 at 10:54 am

Oh yes…..and as a side issue to ‘secular law on drunkenness’ you may be interested in this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/21/texas-judge-orders-convicted-drunk-driver-to-public-humiliation/

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chris April 21, 2012 at 11:19 am

That’s a great point and insight, thanks Gabriel. I think in fact the use of a designated driver is a recognition by believers and non-believers alike that they have reached their own conscientious limits.

Is it right then (by right I mean acceptable on God’s eyes) for a believer to consistently drink to beyond the limit of their own self-determined point, to the point that a believer regularly chooses to give over responsibility for themselves to others? I’m thinking of the regular use of a designated driver for example. I’m mighty thankful for the maturity to recognize the need for a DD, just wondering if the regularly scheduled use of one is an abuse of our free will.

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Jack April 21, 2012 at 11:51 am

I love all these comments and they add so much to this work. Truly, to drink beyond a legal limit and drive and to appear drunken is sin and against the law for one thing as we are commanded to obey those who rule over us (Rom 13). Certainly we should abstain from any appearance from evil and if a brother or sister has problems with alcohol I choose not to drink in front of them. As for me, I do not drink at all but those who have wine with dinner for example (without drunkeness) I can not judge and as has been stated wisely, even a half a beer for some is too much. Moderation in all things I believe is a key principle and if it causes my brother or sister to stumble, I believe it is sin for me to do anything that causes offense to them.

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Gabriel April 21, 2012 at 1:13 pm

@Chris

Thanks for your reply.
You wrote: ‘Is it right then (by right I mean acceptable on God’s eyes) for a believer to consistently drink to beyond the limit of their own self-determined point, to the point that a believer regularly chooses to give over responsibility for themselves to others? I’m thinking of the regular use of a designated driver for example.’

Interesting question. To me ‘responsible drinking’ translates as ‘don’t drink beyond the point at which you burden other people with the responsibility of taking care of you – which could mean making yourself physically ill, being unable to walk in a reasonably straight line, or even drinking to the point where you lose the ability to realise when you offend others or make them uncomfortable (and then others must make your apologies for you). Those scenarios to me describe ‘drunkenness’. I think using a designated driver system, no matter how frequently, is actually highly responsible – there is no sin, to my mind, in a group of friends designating one person to stay completely sober on nights out (provided everyone takes their turn); that is just good sense, and perfectly within the definition of friendship. However, even when a driver has been designated – there is no excuse for ‘drunkenness’ as described above; that remains inconsiderate and irresponsible, especially amongst friends.

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chris April 22, 2012 at 8:03 am

Yes, agreed, the DD system is the responsible thing to do and there is no telling how many lives it has saved. As the first hand witness of the destruction a drunk driving accident can cause, I appreciate it on many levels.

I do have a problem with it for believers however, if we suppose two things.

The first presumption is that the definition of responsible drinking is what you have defined it as (which sums up my view of it PERFECTLY, actually, thank you), namely: “don’t drink beyond the point at which you burden other people with the responsibility of taking care of you”. Outside of extreme cases, drinking past one’s limit, especially in the case of seasoned and well experienced drinkers, is always a choice and exercise of our will. We choose to drink too much, it’s not something that happens accidentally. We knowingly go beyond this point and this is one of the points at which the consumption of alcohol becomes sin.

The second presumption is that the use of a designated driver amongst believers is an admission of the premeditation of sin. Yes, it is definitely socially, ethically, and in all other ways the responsible and preferable situation for a fellow believer to be driven home by a safe and sober driver. However given the presumption above of the lack of “accidental” drunkenness, I view the agreement to a DD as admission that, “yes, I am not intending to stop with less drink than required to stay sober, instead I am assuming I will not be drinking responsibly and have made my arrangements in advance.”

In my eyes, it really sets up the evening/even as one already given over to sin. It also by association makes the DD party to this sin in the same what that a trusted friend hiding an affair, or a business partner who looks the other way over shady bookkeeping becomes party to the sin.

Okay, so am I over the top on this? I ask honestly wanting your input as I see you have thought this out and approach the issue from a very similar point of view as me.

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Mike April 24, 2012 at 9:20 pm

It is interesting that the only time Scripture completely forbids the consumption of alcohol is for those who take the Nazarite vow (Numbers 6), which was so astringent it also forbid touching anything whatsoever that had to do with grapes, including the leaves, the vines, or even raisins.

The other mention of total abstinence is in Leviticus 10, when Aaron’s sons, Nadab and Ahihu, failed to follow the right procedure in offering incense before the Lord and were killed by God for their errant actions. As a result, “8 Then the Lord spoke to Aaron, saying: 9 “Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, 10 that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, 11 and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord has spoken to them by the hand of Moses” (NKJV).

But another fascinating passage that is often forgotten – or perhaps, ignored – is God’s instructions of the annual tithe of the harvest in Deuteronomy 14. The Children of Israel were to come before God and then they were to consume this particular tithe themselves, rather than give it to the Tabernacle or Temple. As one reads the passage there is the sense that God wants them to have a party and celebrate. This is especially seen in verse 26, where those who had to travel to the place of sacrifice first sold their tithe and converted it to silver. Then they are told, “Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice.” (NKJV)

So not only could they drink wine, but they were told to do it; but don’t forget they could also have other fermented drink, which the KJV translates as “strong drink,” meaning stronger than wine, which would be in the families of liquors.

Some will argue that to concede to drinking is liberalism, when in fact, it is simply breaking legalism.

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Jack April 24, 2012 at 9:32 pm

Mike, your grasp of the Scriptures is totally amazing. What an absent minded moment for me not to include this Scripture and I want to personally thank you sir for adding this extremely important element to this teaching. I state that I so desire men of such biblical wisdom and who can properly divide the Word of God such as you that our Sunday school would never be the same…nay, you may have me yield the pulpit my friend. God bless you sir. You are a blessing to this site, to our articles and to me personally friend.

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Robert July 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm

I struggled with this issue for many years. I am not at peace with it. In case you or someone else is interested, I’ve got a 4-part blog about it at: http://parker-house.net/?p=35

By the way the Nazarite vow had a time limit. They were not required to abstain their entire life. Also, the were time limits on OT priests abstaining from alcohol – as they were getting ready to serve in their priestly duties.

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Robert August 6, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Oops. I meant “now at peace” not “not at peace”. Obviously that totally changes the meaning!! Sorry about that!

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Patricia January 10, 2013 at 6:13 am

I been debating with my boyfriend about drinking. He tells me its not a sin to drink occasionally but i just hate the fact that he does it. I never drank in my life or plan to. What upsets me is that he tells me he gets wasted sometimes. So is drinking not a sin? but drunkenness is??

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Jack Wellman January 10, 2013 at 11:17 am

Drinking responsibly is okay but drunkeness is clearly a sin. Actually a bit of wine is good for the stomach and heart and Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding feast. The point is that when anything is done in excess, it becomes sin and no one is very much like Christ who drinks too much. Getting “wasted” is clearly a sin for the Bible condemns drunkeness. Does not your boyfriend know that? I urge you to go slow in this relationship. Tell him to his face that drinking is dangerous if a person can’t handle it. Even considering marriage in the future is a dangerous thing for you right now my friend…saying this in love for your best interest.

Read these or open the Bible and show him these verses and see what he says:

First Corinthians 6:9-10 says, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor DRUNKARDS nor revilers, nor extortionists will inherit the kingdom of God.” Romans 13:13 has another warning about drunkenness: “Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and DRUNKNNESS not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy.”

If this man is getting drunk, he is clearly sinning and God is not pleased and being yoked with such a man is dangerous for your relationship and threatens it seriously. He could drive impaired and kill someone, fly into a drunken rage and do something dangerous. When a person is drunk, they don’t act godly at all. Please tell him or have him come to this site and read this article…please! For your and his sake. Drunkards will not be going to heaven, period!

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Kenny February 9, 2014 at 12:34 pm

I appreciate the insight…However, an Alcoholic finds being an Alcoholic is from Drinking Alcohol. It Starts after the 1st drink at whatever age….Many times, the Alcoholic was given an okay by seeing someone having a drink in the Family. Seems to me giving an okay to drink gets the ball rolling, even though it wasn’t meant to. Actions Speak Louder than Words. I guess the Alcoholic comes to the Church to find forgiveness and to be delivered by the same folks that Said it was okay to begin….I believe Alcohol was put on Earth for Medical Purposes (sedation), although we have evolved from that…I’ve been struggling with this part of the Bible which leads me away from the Christian Faith, That Hurts!!!

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Jack Wellman February 9, 2014 at 12:47 pm

Thank you Kenny for your comment. As I said in my conclusion near the end, “For those who have had problems with alcohol or are alcoholics, we should not drink in their presence because we can put a stumbling block of offense before them (2 Cor 6:3). Other Christians who do not believe in drinking alcohol should be given the same respect for their abstinence” so of course anyone that struggles with or has had an addiction to alcohol should abstain but if this one article leads you away from the Christian faith then I am concerned about the resoluteness of that faith in the first place. Alcoholics are welcome at our church just as drug addicts are and so we do not encourage or condone drunkenness or drinking but each man or woman must do as their own conscience leads them to do. As a pastor I do not drink as I had problems with alcohol too and I do not encourage others to drink but not do condemn others who do in moderation. I see only drunkenness as being sin in the Bible as the Word of God testifies to that fact.

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Timothy Vukomanovic February 15, 2014 at 3:12 am

@Kenny a couple of points. If a person becomes an alcoholic there is a saying at AA For the Alcoholic one drink is too many and 1000 are not enough. Note the first term however “For the Alcoholic”. The bible teaches if something is a problem that causes you to sin to cut it out. Clearly that applies with alcohol. “And if your right hand should be your downfall, cut it off and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of yourself than to have your whole body go to hell” Matt 5:30

The Bible definitely does not teach that all Alcohol is bad in itself. It is a good thing it does not, as it would be very impracticable and inconsistent if it did. Why? you might ask. Answer: Alcohol is found naturally in many fruits. In overripe fruit (not rotten but overripe) pulp may contain from 2% to over 8% alcohol naturally without any human encouragement or processing. Warm ripe(not overripe) fruit picked from the tree may in fact contain up to 2%. Humans who lived naturally have always consumed a certain amount of alcohol as part of their diet, even if they do so unknowingly. All natural grape juice kept at room temp for some time will from natural yeast in the air ferment to some extent.

When Yeshua turned the water into wine, he did not force people to drink it. The only place he gave them a small amount and instructed them to drink was as part of the last supper and the amounts consumed there would have been very small, a mouthful and no where near enough to even feel any alcoholic effect.

How does the bible teaching on instructing people not to be drunkards challenge your faith? If your way of avoiding that is to avoid alcohol altogether then that is what Yeshua taught you should do. If you don’t want to drink any I am sure you will find support within the christian community with what the bible would call a word of wisdom. For the alcoholic it is certainly wise not to drink any at all.

I would not let passages that allow or clearly show the consumption of alcohol to challenge your faith. Simply state to people who might tell you it is ok to drink, that it is not ok for you because it leads you into sin and therefore you have followed the admonitions of Yeshua to cut it out of your life.

Put it in context we all have problems with our sinful nature and we must all avoid certain things. Some of us need to avoid alcohol, some of us need to ensure an adult filter is on the internet connection, some of us need to avoid walking through places where gambling occurs and the list goes on and on.

I think you should not let such verses challenge your faith but put them into the overall perspective of the teaching of Yeshua.

Many Years Kenny.

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Robert January 10, 2013 at 6:35 am

Patricia,

Drunkenness is clearly a sin. Drinking may or may not be a sin. God created wine and other alcoholic drink to be moderately enjoyed by us but there are times when even moderately drinking may be sinful – such as trying to be offensive to someone who has a weak conscience.
I explain a lot more in my blog about this at: http://parker-house.net/?p=35

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Jack Wellman January 10, 2013 at 11:18 am

Amen Robert. I have grave concerns about anyone who drinks even moderately for they are not acting like Christians and if a person can not handle it, they should cease altogether. Thanks for your input friend.

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Patricia Schneider January 19, 2013 at 12:24 am

Hello, Pastor Jack! Thank you for this site about drinking alcohol. All the insights from the other commentators were right on the spot.
My hubby of 38 years & I first met in a local pub. (When I first saw Gary, I told my girlfriend that I was going to marry him! Don’t know what came over me, ’cause I wasn’t drunk, nor even tipsy. It was a deep, overwhelming feeling of truth inside me.)
We dated for almost 2 years before marriage, unfortunately drinking too much for our own good. Yet, every time we promised ourselves we wouldn’t overdo the booze ever again. Well, that fell flat quickly.
Every Friday, and sometimes Saturday, too, we would bar-hop the local pubs. After our son was born in 1976, the Grandparents (my Mom & Gary’s folks would take turns baby-sitting while we went bar-hopping. No way did I want to expose our kid to our ‘tipsy’ behavior!)
Yes, Pastor Jack, I KNEW what Gary & I were doing was wrong in God’s eyes, and Gary sorta knew, also. Praise Our Heavenly Father, God, for His bountiful PATIENCE with us! We had stopped drinking & driving in 1979 when Cathy Lightener (Founder of MADD) lost her daughter to a drunk driver. (I think that’s her last name, not sure of the spelling.) We broke that rule a couple times, by the Grace of God, no harm was done, except to our consciences.
It took my Gary breaking his neck falling in the bathroom about 15 years ago that our drinking habit changed drastically. Again, thank Dear God that the only permanent damage was that Gary can’t raise his head all the way back, can’t look up completely.
Today, Gary will drink maybe a beer or two about once a month. (He has kidney disease, so he HAS to limit his alcohol intake. And God’s Grace has blessed us through this ordeal, also! Oh, Pastor Jack, isn’t God just wonderful?)
Can you tell me who started this site, “What Christians Want To Know?” Wow! It has truly been a blessing for me, have met a couple fellow Christians through this site, too, where we email on Facebook & share our Christian beliefs.
More and more blessings for you and your family, Pastor Jack! It makes me happy knowing you! Patty

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Jack Wellman January 19, 2013 at 11:02 am

Hi Patty. I can not take credit for this website. There were several people that put it together and for some reason, they allowed my to write here. I have no credit for putting it together but ultimately, God Himself caused this I believe. It is not a work of man but of God to glorify Him and Him alone.

I think that the fact that you and Gary knew something was wrong is evidence that the Holy Spirit dwells in you both because the world goes on sinning without even a second thought over it but deep down the do know that there is a God (Rom 1 & 2). I thank God that He brought you to us. You have been a big-time blessing my friend with your many comments that are truly edifying and encouraging and exhort us to keep fighting the good fight for the faith and contending for the truth.

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Patricia Schneider January 19, 2013 at 2:03 pm

Hello again, Pastor Jack! I am aware of what your contributions to WCWTK website are, as a writer (and a good one!) who inspires, educates, guides, and helps us with our daily ‘walks’ with Jesus. Your KNOWLEDGE of Scripture, your BELIEF in God, The Father, Jesus, the Son, and The Holy Spirit…are what you skillfully use to reach fellow Christians. For that, I AM sooo happy about!
I had asked about the origin of WCWTK, but their blog only says a ‘group of Christians’ who got together and created the WCWTK website. Guess I’m still overwhelmed about discovering this site last year…can hardly believe my blessing!
Thanks so much for your kind words. They mean a lot to me.
Oodles of blessings for you and your family, Pastor Jack! Patty

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Patricia Schneider January 19, 2013 at 2:05 pm

Forgot to add…yes, ALL PRAISE AND GLORY TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, GOD, FOREVER! <3

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Dauda Elijah February 1, 2013 at 4:27 pm

Drink is a sin.

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Jack Wellman February 1, 2013 at 4:41 pm

So Jesus sinned when He drank wine at the Passover or when He turned water into wine and Paul was wrong telling Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach problems. Drunkenness is a sin. Can you give me a Bible verse that says to drink is a sin? So you are saying that Jesus sinned drinking wine at Passover and making wine? I thought, and I believe that Jesus was and is sinless.

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Jack February 24, 2013 at 2:36 am

Well as the Latin proverb states; ” In Vino Veritas”

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Jack February 24, 2013 at 2:40 am

This where I met my wife if it wasn’t for alcohol wouldn’t have ever had the courage to ask her out on a first date.

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Lissette April 25, 2013 at 11:24 pm

After reading everything I’ve read above and understanding it all; I still fee like I am going to go crazy! I used to drink a lot compared to now that I’ve accepted Jesus into my life (almost two years in May), but I still won’t give it up. I actually only drink wine or beer, but it’s still a constant battle because I feel that I should not do it as a Christian and that I should give it up for God, but I can’t and so I live tormented by thinking that I should not be a Christian. And of course, we know the enemy has a field day with this one. I now I can’t lose my salvation because of this. I now that I will not turn back. I know that I am still a child of God, but I suffer because I can’t control it and I keep seeing and hearing “Christians” who proudly don’t drink and boast about it, which makes me feel like I am failing God over and over. I really don’t know what to do. I have prayed to God so much about this, especially when I feel I have crossed the line, but there it is. One day, I will have a glass or two and be okay with it. The next time, I feel like the worse person in the world. I just want to live my life with the peace that Jesus gives me but it’s a constant battle. As I write this, I look back at my life and I can see the changes; yet this one thing that is so important and which as subsided somewhat won’t go away. If I could at least accept it and feel good about the fact that the situation has gotten better? That I have not thrown up in probably over a year. That little by little I drink less and less, but does not help because the mare thought and frustration the whole thing tells me that I am enslaved to this. Any thoughts of home for me? Do I even make any sense?

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Jack Wellman April 26, 2013 at 12:14 pm

Hello Lissette. Yes, you are making perfect sense. Please don’t despair for even though a believer fall a thousand times, God is always there to help pick us up and forgive us. God’s mercy is infinite. The fact that you are drinking less and less is a good sign to me and is one full of hope. Never quite trying for God never gives up on His children. You can look back over a year ago and see progress. See!? This is evidence of your growing in holiness and the fact that you feel convicted when you DO drink is testimony to the Holy Spirit working in you.

Remember that a child of God is sealed by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption (Eph 1) and God is working in those who are trying to overcome. I see progress and so try to see how much you are growing. I abstain totally from alcohol, not because it is a sin, but because I don’t want to give a bad example as a pastor or make a stumbling block for new believers. I would say to give it all up Lissette but remember that this will be a battle and don’t lose heart. We win in the end. Victory is won in Jesus Christ already (2 Cor 5:21).

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Chris April 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm

Hey Lissette, all of us Christians still sin, all the time so don’t lose hope or faith. As Jack said, that convicted feeling is the Holy Spirit within telling you “Hey, this behavior isn’t what I wanted for you, but I still love you”. but as we know, God keeps on forgiving as we grow towards holiness. He would die all over again, just to save one of us – praise God for that love!!

Also, I’d say that if you feel like God is the one asking you to move towards abstinence, He WILL give you the strength to achieve that, in His own good timing. Don’t do it to live up to the pressure of friends, family, or denomination, though or I fear you will find it very, very hard :)

Keep on following God’s lead in this area of your life – I have prayed for you, just now!

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Jack Wellman April 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm

I too prayed for her Chris and let me tell you brother, I thank God for prayer warriors and godly men like you sir. I am so overjoyed at your words of comfort to Lissette. We so desperately need more believers like you who are present-day Barnabas’.

Lissette…there are now two men praying for you…one a godly man of faith (Chris) and another man (train-wreck) but God will hear our prayers in your behalf. I too agree with Chris….maybe God is telling you its time for total abstinence but don’t lose heart. We will slip and fall time and again but God is infinitely loving in His picking us up again.

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Chris April 26, 2013 at 1:20 pm

Amen! Thank you, Jack.

I’ve head it said of faith that it is a journey and not a destination. How true that is!

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Douglas Hackett April 14, 2014 at 9:23 am

I see a two edged sword. On the one hand, if you hear the Holy Spirit directing you to not drink, you must stop your drinking. If on the other hand, other Christians are making you feel guilty by their boasting, you will not find peace by joining them!

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Patricia Schneider April 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm

Hello, Pastor Jack!
Every time a new comment from WCWTK pops up in emails, I’d re-read entire article again, along w/old comments, (saw mine), and of course, the new ones.
What stood out this time from your article, Pastor, was “Abstain from any appearance from evil.” (Meaning not to lead others to sin from your behavior, or lead yourself into sin. Right?)

Really appreciated re-reading Chris’ comment (April 21, 2012) and Gabriel’s response to it. Chuckled at his use of the word, “tautologous.” Had to look in dictionary to ascertain I did know its meaning. Don’t believe I’ve ever seen that word used before. Overlooked it, perhaps? Do tend to read too fast, Pastor, as you know. LOL! …Also enjoyed Mike’s comment (April 24, 2012) and Robert’s (July 25, 2012.) Went to Robert’s blog, The Parker House. Wow, Pastor Jack! Jesus’ Holy Spirit works thru Robert, too! His writing is superb! Factual, Scriptural, spiritual, most informative, and so easy to read & comprehend! (A lot like you, Pastor Jack!)

Now about Lissette (April 25, 2013)…her story touched me deeply. Boy, do I understand the angst she’s going thru re:drinking alcohol.
Was sooo pleased with your response to Lissette, Pastor Jack and Chris’. (‘Cause I was gonna write something similar to her, too! Hee-Hee!) Strongly believe your words have comforted and guided Lissette. (What a beautiful name, huh?)

PRAISE AND GLORY BE TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, HIS SON, JESUS, HIS HOLY SPIRIT! Amen. <3

Oodles of blessing to you and your family, Pastor Jack!
And to every one who contribute w/articles and/comments to WCWTK!!!
Always, in Christ, Jesus…Patty

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Lissette April 26, 2013 at 10:03 pm

Dear Pastor Jack, Chris and Patricia,

I am in awe with all of your posts! I was out all day and read them on my phone, but could not wait to get home to write back in the peaceful setting of my home. THANK YOU SO MUCH and thank God for your responses and words of encouragement. It is SO nice to know that I am not alone or judged by my brothers and sisters in Christ. When I say this I think of my pastors and leaders and I am a little embarrassed because although I love them; I would not address this issue with them unless they asked me. You see, they have been delivered and just the other day there was a sermon on those of us “who were still drinking”. Oh boy! You can imagine how I left church that day… This is just a topic that I have always wanted to discuss, but with people who really understand and care enough to talk about it like Pastor Jack who does not even drink. Pastor, your article does not judge anyone, in the contrary, it felt to me like a soothing hand on my back. As I said, it’s hard to talk about this with those who where touched by God the day they accepted Jesus Christ and never had a drop of the poison again, like my pastors for instance. It’s hard to talk to my husband who does not drink. It’s hard to talk to my mother who is going through exactly my same situation, but is not very grounded in the faith. It’s hard to talk to my father who feels he is an alcoholic (only drinks beer on the weekends) and would like to go to AA (he is not a Christian), but won’t do it and just complains about it. AND forget my worldly friends who think I am crazy and that I am over thinking things. So the fact that I ran into this site is a miracle of my beautiful Lord who knows what I am going through and is placing everyone he can in my way to let me know that He is not mad at me. I actually realized today that I was under an spiritual attack. Yes, I know this is another topic but I have to share since it entangled and brought up all these feelings of guilt, especially with alcohol. I actually get these often and I don’t realize I am under one until they end. This is really an amazing thing because I see things so different. This time it came from sinning in a dream. It started on Tuesday and lasted until yesterday. It got me really down even though I knew I had no control over my dream and I ended up sinning for real. Finally I broke down yesterday with these posts and I was able to pray about it. It’s a hard life, our lives, but I know that it is written. We must endure all suffering which does not compare to the happiness we will feel later.

I am sorry for such a long post. I had to force myself to stop writing. Again, THANK YOU, THANK YOU Pastor for your wise counsel, Chris for your support and Patricia for your sympathy. May God bless all of you immensely for literally helping a sister :-).

P.S. I am Cuban and live in Miami, Florida. My name is actually very common here, but thanks for the compliment, Patricia. God bless!

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Jack Wellman April 27, 2013 at 10:39 am

Lissette, I have found that the more we are trying to overcome something in our lives the more the Enemy wants to attack us and discourage us. The very fact that you feel convicted over this is great evidence that God is working in you. The day that you feel no remorse is the day that we are in danger…but please check out this article on Spiritual Attacks and how we can put on the armor of God.

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/spiritual-attacks-putting-on-the-armor-of-god/

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Patricia Schneider April 27, 2013 at 3:40 am

Hello, Lissette!
This is your big Sis-in-Christ, Patty here…just got home 2 hours ago from visiting w/a friend. It’s presently 3:30AM, Saturday, April 27 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
I am half Polish & half Irish and you’re quite welcomed, Lissette!
“Common” or not, you DO have a lovely name! (Almost didn’t see the end of your comment addressed to me~! Yes, I do tend to read too fast, overlooking stuff I shouldn’t. Always in a hurry to get to the gist of the article or story! Hee-Hee!)

Often awake in the wee hours of mornings, especially since my hubby, Gary, retired in 2009. Lissette, did you happen to read my comment to Pastor Jack on this article? (January 19, 2013.) That may give you an idea of where yours truly here is coming from about imbibing alcohol.

What did you mean about your pastors & leaders being “delivered,” Lissette? That was the only thing about your comment that confused me.
My opinion about your pastors & leaders? (You should also check w/Pastor Jack about this, too. Oh, I just love this brother-in-Christ of mine! He’s such a gentle soul, NEVER judgmental, even when you disagree with him. And he gives ALL the credit for his words in writing these articles to Jesus’ Holy Spirit. Simply refuses to accept any compliments re:his writings! LOL! Exasperates me to no end, Lissette! Yet, Pastor Jack is effusing with compliments to others!!!)

What I was going to say about your pastors & leaders…
DROP THEM. From what you’ve written about them, Lissette, they don’t sound as if they’re truly living through God’s bountiful love for each of us. In my own loving opinion, you need to surround yourself with true Christians…Oh, Pastor Jack could explain this much, much better than me. So, ask him if you don’t disagree with me. OK? In other words, Lissette, they sound like “extremists.” Does this make any sense to you?

I’m as “bad” as you, Lissette…about LONG COMMENTS? Hee-Hee! Yes, I DO ramble on. (God did give me the gift of expressing myself through writing, even wrote a few short stories, started a novel, wrote letters to “My Precious Baby” when I was pregnant w/our son, Christopher. Will tell you about that another time, though.)

Do you have Facebook, Lissette? If you do, you can find me as “Patricia Schneider (Kuzniewski)” My regular email address is: schneider93@comcast.net

Since finding a new sister-in-Christ, so much do I want to know about you, Lissette! What a blessing that would be to have another little sister!!! (Pretty sure you’re quite younger than me…I’m 64 years young~!)

Thanks sooo much for responding to Pastor Jack, Chris and me, Lissette!
Will be putting you, your hubby, and your folks on my Prayer Board. (A list of people I daily pray for.)
So, so happy you’re feeling better, Lissette!
Oodles of blessings for you and your family!
Your Sis-in-Christ, Jesus…Patty
P.S. About your lovely name…is the accent on first or second
syllable? Phonetically, is it pronounced “LEE SETTE” or
or “La SETTE?” Once you get to know me better, you’ll
realize I’m quite persnickity. LOL!

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d m3/5 May 6, 2013 at 11:34 am

Was reading up on the subject of drinking and being a Christian. I have only been going to church for 8 months now but it has made an amazing difference in my life. I was angry with god for too many years. I want to share a story. My father died when I was two in 1975. He and my mom had been to a new years party he had been drinking, they came home we were all asleep and in the morning she awoke to find him beside her he had vomited in his sleep he was gone at the age of 27. I was to young to remember him. He had been to Vietnam so I know he probably also killed people so sense I have been going to church I have went to the alter and prayed to god many times for a sign to please show me if my father is there with him. I fear that he died so young he didn’t have that relationship with god and I so hope that when my time comes my dad is there so I can see him .. well after months of praying I drag out a box of letters my dad wrote my mom while he was in Vietnam. I read these letters many times. I’ve even copied them and my brothers have copies. While reading them for the 100 the time this letter I never read before was in there and in this letter my dad asks my mom if she bought the BIBLE he told her about. And his told her to please go to church for him. And when he got back he was taking her to church!! Now I know that was gods sign to me…. I called my brother he looked in his copy and that letter was not in his copy either.. so Idk. But I know my dad was drinking the night he died. And I know god let him in heaven. He’s there waiting for me. Some day I will see my daddy….
Just wanted to say I guess he makes exceptions..

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Matt July 9, 2013 at 10:16 am

I do think it’s a sin for me and it does bother me when I see pastors or other Christians drink. I find social drinking and that lifestyle to be incompatible with the Gospel. It makes me think, “Gee, I thought that person was different.” Alcohol was against the rules at my college and my missionary school, so I think there is a reason for that and I think that is an appropriate position because it is the only position that does not compromise.

Paul says to not get drunk with wine, but to be filled with the Spirit. So many people use Jesus drank wine as an excuse to drink. Jesus did not live in the American culture and the Gospel in this culture is at many times in contradiction with a social drinking lifestyle. As an analogy Christians rarely talking as smoking cigarettes as sin, but how many people can smoke one without being addicted? Smoking and drinking often go together. Why would one be a sin and not the other?

I do think that people compromise their faith because of alcohol. How many people who drink have never been drunk or buzzed? I think there are health risks (damage in pregnancy, unsafe when combined with medication and risk of liver damage or alcohol poisoning) and that it adds zero to anyone’s life. The Mayo clinic says that no one should drink for the health benefits. So many Christians want to drink so much and use their freedom in Christ to drink that they would probably not be Christians if drinking was a salvation issue. Is something that is divisive as that something that is of God or should be encouraged? This is a big area of compromise for Christians and honestly I don’t think the Lord is into the drinking scene in this American culture.

I’ve seen more that I ever want to see of people in rehab, abusive fathers and the terrible stuff that goes on because people abuse alcohol. It may not be a sin for a lot of people, but I think the most logical position is to abstain.

Paul says not to use your freedom in Christ to indulge the sinful nature or to make a stumbling block for any other believer. It is a sin for people in rehab to drink alcohol and I think Christians are called to be different. Certainly there are a lot of people who disagree with that what many consider to be gray areas like smoking, getting tattoos, piercing or otherwise altering one’s body. It’s not trendy to hold the position of not drinking, but it’s really the one that I think makes sense for Christians. I think it hurts my witness as a Christian to drink alcohol and I don’t want to do anything that would make another Christian think less of me or for me to give a non-Christian the idea that drinking is okay.

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Jack Wellman July 9, 2013 at 10:10 pm

Matt…I totally agree. This is the reason that I drink no alcohol, even though I may be at liberty to do so, but as Paul writes and you say in a sense, if it makes others stumble, then it is sin. I agree that we can really hurt our witness and the cause of Christ. By the way, the reason they drank wine was because the water supply in Judea was terribly bad and you could get very sick…and from historians, they say that the wine was very, very watered down as to be almost non-toxicant.

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Denise July 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm

Amen Matt,
Finally someone wrote with some common sense. I’m a 100% behind you on this.
God Bless.

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d m3/5 July 15, 2013 at 10:39 pm

What do you think about the story I wrote about my father? Do you believe he still made it to heaven even if he had to many drinks beforehe went to sleep. My story is in this thread a few entry s up.
Curious of some opinions.
Thanks… :)

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Mike July 13, 2013 at 11:10 am

Please listen to Pastor Johnny Hunt’s sermon on “Should Christians Drink” He answers every single question that I can think of that deals with this matter. I pray that you give it a listen. Thank You.

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Jack Wellman July 16, 2013 at 8:48 am

I myself are still a sinner….and anyone who puts their trust in Christ will be saved. Read all of Romans 7 to see Paul’s struggle after conversion but read of his victory in Romans 8…also read John 6:37 and John 10:28-29 too. Trusting in Christ is what a person does and they are saved and as John 11:25 says ” “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die.” None will die completely without sin, yet Jesus’ promise is as sure as the sunrise (John 3:16-17). I pray this gives you comfort.

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d m3/5 July 21, 2013 at 10:19 am

Your words bring much comfort Jack.
Thank you…

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Jack Wellman July 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm

Thank you. Your encouragement brings me comfort my friend.

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Dominic July 21, 2013 at 3:07 am

Truly no matter if someone doesn’t be aware of after that its up to other viewers that they will help, so here it happens.

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Tim Fetterhoff July 27, 2013 at 1:24 am

We also got to remember that the wine back in the day is different from the wine today. To me, this was an interesting post Pastor Jack. But for me, im just going to avoid drinking and focus on my relationship with God.

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Jack Wellman July 27, 2013 at 10:05 am

Thank you Mr. Fetterhoff. I agree totally….I think for most of us, abstinence is the best rule of thumb. Thank you sir for your comment.

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timothy vukomanovic July 30, 2013 at 2:30 am

Interesting read in relation to those who grapple with how intoxicated is too intoxicated. Adding Mark 7:14-23 and Matt 15:10-20 which both in essence say “What goes into the mouth does not make anyone unclean; it is what comes out of the mouth that makes someone unclean” essentially because what comes out of the mouth originally came from the heart and dirt coming from the mouth and sinful action all had a start in the heart, desires and urges of the heart that we could not control.

I think the point at which we begin to lose control of our heart, our sense of control to the point that we have so little control over it that we begin sprouting profanities and being open to suggestions of mischief becomes the time that we have past the limit of how much alcohol we should have consume. It is at that time we have put ourselves in a place of Mortal as well as Spiritual higher risk.

How dangerous the over consumption of alcohol is from a spiritual point I believe to some part has to do with the surrounding you are in when you drink. If you sit down with your wife at home and drink until you are both very merry and full of high spirits surely does not lead to many sins. However if you sit down at a bar with the girls from work and consume away you have put yourself in spiritual danger.

To those who become abusive, violent, hateful and vulgar as soon as they drink, it is probably best that you don’t drink ever because it is likely to lead you to sorrow and sin. I do however wonder for those who do become that way when drunk if it is just not giving them a warning that they must address what is buried deep in their hearts and an amount of work on the heart is required.

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timothy vukomanovic July 30, 2013 at 3:31 am

I would like to add a point here I think is important. Radical overstatement of drinking being a grievous sin, as is prevalent in many congregations and by many strict religious parents, many times leads our youth and children being in more dangerous situations when they drink than need be.

I would prefer that my children if they want to drink could do it around me. If at some time they go to the point of over drinking I want it to be when I am around. I can pick them up I can protect them. I can’t do that if they are drunk with a group of others somewhere out of sight, where something else gets mixed with the drink, or they drive with a car full of drunks.

Many youth get hurt physically and spiritually because their first experiences with alcohol are done in secrete with so called friends because they are too embarrassed to have that experience in front parents who have forbidden drinking.

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Christie July 30, 2013 at 9:39 pm

We as Christians are to be ready to serve the Lord and I can not serve if I’m drinking. If I over drink, I can’t drive in an emergency, I can’t make wise decisions and I am not of use to the Father if I put myself in this state of confusion. How can I properly witness? I will also not set myself up for satan to gain any ground around me! One is my rule. One glass of wine or one beer. I want to always be ready to serve HIM. Let’s fight the fight sober and full of HIM….Make Him smile brothers and sisters of Christ! Make HIM smile!!!

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Jack Wellman July 30, 2013 at 10:01 pm

I agree with you that we must stay sober and ready for the Enemy is vigilent and can make us stumble by alcohol. I like the one beer or glass of wine…that’s good. I do not even drink anything for being a pastor, I am being seen by many, including my children and grandchildren and will not even bring it into our home. Even so, I will not judge others who have wine or beer but we do understand that drunkenness is a sin and drunkenness opens us up to even greater evils. Thank you Christie for a very common sense comment.

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Linda Harris August 26, 2013 at 6:56 am

This is an excellent article and I totally agree. But as one who came out of a “legalistic” experience, I have heard many insist that “new wine” is non-alcoholic grape juice. So that makes me wonder about this passage in Acts 2:

“Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and
said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my
words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.” (Acts 2:13 – 15)

Were the mockers so daft as to think new wine could cause drunkenness? Could Peter have offered a better retort by
simply pointing out that new wine was non-alcoholic? Obviously not true.

“And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;” (Ephesians 5:18) Key words: “wherein is
excess”. Excess drinking causes drunkenness. Christians should not drink wine to the point of drunkenness.

My husband and I have, on certain rare occasions, enjoyed A glass of wine with a special meal. A GLASS. We did not leave the table drunk. And, we did not, (as Christians), commit sin. And we would not have that wine if we were in the presence of people who were either offended by it or had problems with it.

There is a danger in going beyond the scriptures or handling certain scriptures dishonestly. Many people can read the
Bible for themselves. They can understand what the words actually mean without having another interpretation being
forced upon them. When they hear others making such adamant declarations as some have made they will discount whatever else these folks have to say, even if the rest is true.

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Chauncey M Freeman September 22, 2013 at 1:52 am

Brothers And Sisters In Christ Jesus,

Thank you for the comments concerning WINE. Yes, the issue is one that is greatly understood, and likewise is also greatly misunderstood.

I am a former Catholic, but never in heart. By God’s Grace I was DRAWN to the TRUTH (see: John 6:44, John 17:17), and was saved on or about 10 January, 1997, here in my home in Rota, Spain, I was then Fifty Three. Afterwards, and for a very long time I was a member of Bethel Baptist Church, a small Fundamental Independent Baptist Church here in Rota, Spain. But because of men whom Add To, or Take Away from God’s Holy Inspired Word, which is no different than what the Evil Catholic Church Does, I am no longer a member of Bethel Baptist. In fact we are now without a church. Though I have searched for a church that does not Add To, or Take Away from God’s Holy Breathed Word, sadly I find none. I could write here a long, long letter outlining many, many ways the Baptist Church does that very thing. A preacher will stand and preach a wonderful Salvation Message, then invite those who have never received Christ just to ASK HIM TO SAVE THEM AND COME INTO THEIR HEARTS.

Does not ROMAMS 10:8 teach us that:
“But what saith it? The Word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; (Romans 10:8) 1611 King James Version

God is a Spirit, and His Spirit is in all men, and His presence is ever near all men, and so God speaks of THAT presence in the LOST SOUL, and plainly warns all men that His Wrath is revealed from heaven against such men whom HOLD DOWN THAT TRUTH:

(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who HOLD THE TRUTH in unrighteousness;
(19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(Romans 1:18,19) 1611 King James Version

Taking great care to explain this warning of God, needs to be clearly explained to the Natural Man. In the above verses of
Holy scriptures, HOLD is in my learning referring to that soul who HOLDS DOWN, who SURPRESSES THE TRUTH that God has revealed to that soul by and through the preaching of the gospel, and that TRUTH is IN EVERY SOUL, and so God tells us in verse twenty of this same chapter that they are without excuse. Some refer to it as THAT STILL SMALL VOICE, and for emphasis sake that’s OK, so long as the Preacher carefully explains it so that the Natural Man can have a CLEAR understanding, and therefore is faced with the decision, the decision to CONFESS WITH HIS MOUTH, and BELIEVE IN HIS HEART, and therefore BE SAVED. But clearly also we should throughly explain the consequence when that same Natural Man chooses to HOLD DOWN the TRUTH that is crying inside his heart to be CONFESSED and BELIEVED. I trust that I am being understood in what I am attempting to do, which is to show that we MUST NOT add to or take away from God’s Word, else it become Our Word, and not God’s.

Consider: Why instruct a soul that he must ASK for a GIFT. Is not Salvation the Gift of God? Sure it is. I know you may think I am making much of this, but if God chose to end His Holy Breathed Word with the FINAL warning not to ADD to, or TAKE AWAY from the things written in His Book, then we ought to have great fear of just that, especially considering what God warned us would be the consequences of such adding to, and taking away.

So why do men do this? In my experiences I am convicted that men do so because men usually do what they choose to do. In this illustration concerning WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED, as did ask the Jailor of Paul and Silas, they certainly did not instruct that poor soul to ASK to be saved. But rather to BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved. Later that same night they preached the gospel, and those who believed and confessed Christ were SAVED. Does not God’s very words plainly instruct the lost soul exactly what he must do to be saved? Sure it does, and no place in God’s Word will we find any command to ASK, but Confess and Believe. We must be very careful that we rightly divide the word of truth.

If we likewise choose to preach that for a soul to drink wine is sin, then we are choosing to twist, or add to God’s Word.
We are clearly commanded to BE NOT DRUNK WITH WINE.
But in no Holy Inspired (BREATHED) Word do we hear God command us to DRINK NO WINE. My Wife of Forty-Five Years Wonderful Marriage is from SEVILLA, ESPAÑA. WE just celebrated our Forty Fifth Anniversary last 07 September. We have lived here in Rota since 1982. Here in Spain one hardly ever sees a DRUNK, though certainly there are many. But in Spain everyone drinks both Wine and Beer. However, unlike
Americans they never drink without eating tapa’s. And in general the greater part of these people do not become DRUNK. But certainly there are many who do become drunk.
But generally speaking most people here drink only as part of a meal or while Tapa Hopping. Tapa’s are a small portion of many , many kinds of Spanish foods. We in the USA call them ORDERVES. I do the same, and so do my children and all my family, but you will never see any of us drunk with wine.

But drinking wine is only one example in the Baptist Church where most Baptists both teach and preach something contrary to what God’s Holy Word actually commands us. Yet in the Baptist Church drinking wine in any amount, no matter how small the amount is seen as not just sin, but as a Mortal Sin.
I am sixty-nine and soon I’ll be Seventy, yet still I have found no church that preaches only the Inspired Word Of God, neither adding or taking away from what God breathed into the minds of the recorders of the Sixty-Six Letters that make up God’s Completed Word, but so far I have found not even one. And so now I am searching out a seaworthy sailing vessel that I can purchase and then go Sailing4Jesus as my Email address implies. If God blesses me to see that desire come to be, then I shall go sailing to the places unreachable by any other mens but by a small sailing vessel. There are many, many small islands all over the world that need to hear THE GOSPEL and that is what I try always to do, to preach what God has given us in His Holy Inspired Word.
For me there is but ONE ENGLISH BIBLE that has not suffered from unholy men changing God’s Word, It is THE 1611 KING JAMES BIBLE.

You mention the NIV (NOT INSPIRED VERSION) and several others that likewise have been added to or taken away by ungodly men seeking to sell. Know this, that God will hold all men accountable that do such things. There are many PERVERSIONS out there today, and every day it seems that another PERVERSION makes it’s day view. But for this Old Sinner saved only by God’s GRACE through CHRIST’S FAITH. I’ll stick to the 1611 King James, and trust God to teach me to Rightly Divide His Word Of TRUTH. When we stand before Christ on THAT DAY, one of the Books Opened will be God’s Holy Bible, and it will not be changed. For even as Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, so is God’s Word, IT NEVER CHANGES.

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
(PSALMS 119:89)

Brothers and Sisters we are certainly seeing the SIGNS OF THE TIMES, and just as that Old Gospel Song goes;

Just any day now our LORD is coming. He’ll be returning for you and for me, For I have been watching, and I have been waiting, just any day now HIS Blessed Face I’ll see. Amen

Brother Chauncey M Freeman
God’s Most Unworthy Servant

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lisa mccarter October 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm

Love this website. Totally agree that the full council of the Word of God prohibits drunkenness, but not the consumption of alcohol. Our MODERATION is to be known unto all men. Moderation in EVERYTHING. Food, alcohol, sex, etc. And Brother Chauncey Freeman, I enjoyed your post. My family also left the “institutional church”. We live in the Bible Belt, surrounded by “churches” on every corner, and every one of them adds to or subtracts from the scriptures to suit themselves. The church has become a business and is filled with sin and lack of righteousness. My family meets in our home with a small group of believers. We are not a home church, we are THE CHURCH that meets in a home. We aren’t going to church, we are being the CHURCH. We are doers of the Word and not hearers, only. We are looking more and more like the Church you see in the Book of Acts everyday. We have been reaching out to the wayward teenagers in our area. The kids that are considered “bad”, that no church reaches. Kids that have been in and out of jail and rehab. We have had 7 baptisms (in the bathtub), and these kids are experiencing true transforming salvation in Jesus Christ. This is a blessed way to live. Go buy your boat, Bro. Chauncey and reach the unreached for Jesus. Blessings!

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Jack Wellman October 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm

What an encouraging comment Lisa. You are taking the great omission of most believers and living out the Great Commission. The sad fact is that only 1 in 20 evangelicals will share their faith with at least one other person and get this….76% of people that don’t go to a church, house church or otherwise, have never been asked! Way to go sister in Christ. Glory to God. You are being the hands and feet of Jesus instead of being pew potatoes and getting into private holy huddles. You go believers…GO!

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Jack Wellman October 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm

PS….wish I could come and visit you all someday. We live in southern Kansas and we are taking to the streets!

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lisa mccarter October 21, 2013 at 10:16 am

If you ever make it to Mississippi, look us up. You would be welcome here. I believe God is starting a new work in the the USA. He is emptying out the “church buildings” and taking people into the streets. Praise God there is still hope for us!

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Douglas Hackett April 14, 2014 at 9:55 am

Brother Freeman, I love your heart, go get that boat. However, I must share an old joke: there was a wise old preacher that said: “if you ever find the perfect church, full of love and fellowship, where no one struggles with gossip, selfishness, money, sex, gluttony, drinking, or other worldly desires. Where everyone is in perfect agreement with their understanding of God’s word…….Get out of there as fast as you can, cause you’re about to ruin it!”

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