Are the Amish Christians? What Do They Believe?

by Jack Wellman on July 12, 2011 · Print Print · Email Email

Are the Amish considered Christian?  What exactly do they believe?  What are their values?  Do their beliefs make them Christian?

Are the Amish Considered Christian? 

Living in Kansas we have a considerably large population of the Amish people.  Most of the evangelical or mainstream Christians consider them Christians but just from a different denomination.  They believe that the Amish are very conservative Christians and they would be true.   If you ask the Amish people themselves, they would say that they are Christians.  They are closely related to the Anabaptists and associated with the Brethren Quakers and the Mennonites.  The Amish split from the Mennonites in the 17th century.  The vast majority of the Amish came to America from Switzerland and theRhine River Valley in Europe in the early 18th century.

The Amish refrain from using modern technology.  They like the old ways from the old world from which they immigrated a few hundred years ago.   They believe in the doctrines that are found in the Bible so they are considered by all accounts to be a Christian.  What makes a Christian?  It is not by attending church.  It is not by being baptized.  It is not by being religious.  A person is a Christian just like it is to any other mainstream Christian church; professing belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and living that belief out in their lives.

What Exactly Do They Believe? 

They believe in the Bible. They believe in Jesus Christ and strive at all times to live by the beatitudes that were taught by Christ in Matthew chapter five.  The Amish do educate their children but not beyond the eight grade level.  They do not believe in accepting help from the outside world and that includes help from the U.S. government.  They do not receive fAmish Buggy Rideood stamps or Social Security benefits but neither do they have to pay into Social Security taxes, as agreed to by the U.S. Supreme court in 1961.  They do pay state and local taxes however.  They are a very peaceful society and in fact only a few fights among their own people have ever been recorded in their entire history and these people were often excommunicated.

What are Their Values? 

Their values are their families.  Most of the Amish children are born and reared in traditional family settings and in the Christian faith.  Respect for elders, resistance to aggression, and a great desire to be in the will of Jesus are high priorities with the Amish.  They are passive in the sense that they would not retaliate if they were stuck, they do not participate in any military services, and they rarely accept new converts.  They also value tradition.  They do not like to use new technologies and they refrain from using many of the modern day conveniences such as air conditioning, automobiles, and mechanized farm machinery.  They are primarily agricultural and raise their own food and make their own clothes.  They teach their own children and they only occasionally travel into city dwellings except for certain supplies that they can not acquire on their own.

Do Their Beliefs Make Them Christian?

As was written earlier, they profess faith in Jesus Christ and believe in the veracity of the Bible.  They live by it better than most professing Christians do, however some other Christian denominations believe that they are a works-based religion.  This is simply not true.  As long as anyone professes faith in Christ and believes in Him as Lord and Savior, they are a Christian.  They would not say that their good works have saved them.  They understand that Jesus is the only way to eternal life.  They simply try to avoid much of the modern entrapments of the world that most of us live in.  That, in itself, is not wrong and does not disqualify them from being a Christian.  They simply strive to live separate from the world.  Therefore we can say with full assurance that the Amish people truly are a Christian people.  Just being different from most Christian evangelicals does not mean that they are not Christian.  Ask any Amish man, woman, or child and they will tell you: “Yes, we are Christians.”

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Crzy1 June 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm

I strongly disagree with you determining who is or isn’t a “Christian”. Furthermore, I would reseptfully request you talk to and with the Amish before speaking about them and their beliefs. I have seen where the Amish are more comcerned with their heritage and preserving their way of life. The simple fact that they excommunicate those who leave and in essence shun that member is NOT christ like whatsoever. They also feel by leaving the Amish, you are condemmed to hell. This belief is common practice and goes against everything you have written here. There is no emphasis on a personal relationship with christ nor reading for tones sel wjat

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Jack Wellman June 2, 2012 at 6:52 pm

Hello Crzy 1 and thank you for your comment. I remember that Paul corrected Peter who was sitting apart from the Gentiles and only with the Jews, I was raised Catholic and many believe that we should not confess our sins to a priest or pray to Mary, others believe different things and are in many different denominations. Let me say, even as a pastor, our church is not perfect. No church has all understanding and is perfect it all of its theology. I told my congregation once that part of my sermon today would be perfect….the part where I read out of the Bible. I live among and know several Amish believers. They are very pious believers. I remember the Puritans were much like the Amish but truly believe that they were Christians too. Only Jesus is perfect and no church is otherwise we could never join it…we’d ruin it. I did speak with some Amish people as we have many in our state of Kansas. My first publisher/printer was an Amish hand-printed press. There are many churches, like the Church of Christ (not all of them) that teach if you’re not baptized there in their church, you are not saved and thus going to hell or if you attend a church outside of their denomination then you are not saved. God alone knows who is and who isn’t. I will leave that up to Him Who alone can judge the heart. Thank you, nonetheless for your comment. You make some excellent points.

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Alex Wynands July 17, 2012 at 10:10 am

Mr. Wellman:

Interesting article about the Amish. My one concern is the Great Commission… if a Christian group is intentionally separating itself from the world how are they “”going into all the world and making disciples of all nations”? Was this not Jesus last command to his followers?

I’ve always had this issue with the Amish, but not a lot of them want to talk theology with strangers, so I thought I’d pose the question here… I hope you don’t mind…

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Jack Wellman July 17, 2012 at 3:18 pm

Alex, what an excellent point. Even Jesus said that we are not of the world but He didn’t pray that we would not be taken out of the world…just not part of it and so you are spot on the mark. They are ignoring Jesus’ imperative command to “GO!” that He gave 5 times! But let me tell you this sad fact…did you know that only 1 in 20 Christians have lead at least 1 other person to faith in Christ in their entire lives! That tragic. Most Christians, as a matter of fact, do not evangelize. Our church is the smallest, yet we are the only ones going door to door, into the nursing home, restuarant, thrift store, on the street…while all the other mega churches have no Outreach at all! It has taken me 2 years to go by myself (another sad fact…my church members, I hate to say, will not go with me so I go alone) to go thru the entire town, door to door. Most evangelical churches don’t go door to door for example and the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormon’s do a better job. How sad!

But again, you are right, even the Amish, by separating themselves from the world do not evangelize. Paul said, “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?” Rom 10:14

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Cjel August 3, 2012 at 11:12 am

I strongly agree with Crzy1. I am a born again Christian but was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and evangelised for 60-90 hours a month in the cult for nearly 10 years. I recently watched a documentary by the BBC on an Amish family’s way of life and they admitted they feared ex-communication merely by allowing themselves to be filmed. It reminded me strongly of the disfellowshipping that goes on in the JW organisation. When Jesus spoke to the woman caught in the act of adultery he forgave her on the spot and told others not to judge her. At no time did Jesus ever resort to fear and bullying tactics that controlling cults do e.g. people being so scared to leave a cult due to the fact that they will not be able to speak to family and friends and be ostracised in life. In no way is that Christian and cults using these tactics will be judged by the Lord when they stand before him on their judgement day. I certainly would not want to be in their shoes.

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Jack Wellman August 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm

Amen to your comment Cjel. It is so sad that these are fear tactics used to keep people in these cults…and they threaten them with hell fire too and often times will never, ever forgive them. Thank you for your comment and I am so glad you added some important things to this…and so glad you placed your trust in Jesus Christ to save you.

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franz josef August 9, 2012 at 7:50 am

I agree that the Amish are Christians and I even envy that I too wasn’t born into an Amish family. As far as those do- gooders that want to show the Amish that they would be better Christians if they would adopt the ways of the “Englishmen”, I would suggest forwarding your efforts to those who are truely lost and live like it too. Why go after the splinter in the Amish eye when you can go after the plank (or tree) in the eye of the world or the endless other denominations that show very little if any fruit of being faithful.

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Jack Wellman August 9, 2012 at 8:28 pm

Great comment Franz. I think to just because they worship God in a different manner and live differently, we should not be condemning them and certainly not saying that they are not part of the Body of Christ, the Church. Thank you for adding an important comment sir.

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jennifer September 26, 2013 at 7:04 pm

I believe, that the way the world is growing worse, that many of us will wish we would have been raised Amish so we could know how to be sufficient without the government’s help.

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Alex September 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

Many Amish are no longer self-sufficient… they go to Wal-Mart more often than I do…

Do we equate self-sufficiency with Christianity? Just a question…

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Jackson Waleta August 9, 2012 at 10:19 am

one of my elder brothers is a member of Jehova witness.he one day told me that am not going to be saved just because those who are to be saved are them only. He said that in their congregation,there is only one person who God has chosen to save. As a born again christian, i tried to tell him what the bible says about the who and how to be saved but the only thing that he believes is that them only (the jehovah witness) are going to be saved. The thing that makes me wonder is that this person does not listen to any spiritual documentary such as gospel songs instead they all enjoy very well worldly songs, he cant listen to any man of God preaching at any where he would rather switch of the radio and mind other things. They conduct a door to door ministry which very good but they cant allow others to visit them with a word of God. How can we make a fellowship with them since they avoid us but we do not avoid them?

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Jack Wellman August 9, 2012 at 8:39 pm

In the first place Jackson, (by the way, that is my name too, Jackson, but I go by Jack), I am so proud that you want to share the gospel with them. I know what you mean about their resistance to hearing the gospel. This is a sign of a cult…when they believe that they are the only ones going to heaven. Really, prayer is vital to any witnessing opportunity. You can ask them to open up the Bible and answer some questions that you have.

John 1:1 “the Word (logos-context shows this to refer to Jesus) was God (theos)”

John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus “my Lord (kurios) and my God (theos)”

Hebrews 1:8 (quotation of Psalm 45:6-7) Jesus the Son is called “God (theos)”

Titus 2:13 “our great God (theos) and Savior, Christ Jesus”

In Matthew 1:23, Christ is called “Immanuel” which means “God with us.”

In John 10:28, Jesus said, “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” If Jesus Christ isn’t eternal, then how does He have the power to give “eternal life”? Jesus says in Matthew 28:19, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” If Jesus Christ isn’t Deity, then why did He include Himself in the Holy Trinity?

Jesus says in John 14:9, “…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?” Is the Father someone other than Jesus Christ? No, not according to Jesus Christ.

In John 10:30, Jesus says, “I and my Father are one.” Isn’t that clear enough?

Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus was in the “form of God”, and that he thought it not robbery to be “equal with God”!

The Jesus Christ of the New Testament claimed to be “one” with God and “equal” with God.

2 Peter 1:1 “our God (theos) and Savior, Jesus Christ”

Finally, Jesus Christ is said to be “Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.” Heb 7:3

If they can’t answer these questions or are not willing to, then tell they you are not willing to let them discuss the matter any further and continue to pray for them. Thank you for trying.

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Cjel September 13, 2012 at 4:18 am

These are really excellent scriptures for the JWs.

The JWs labour a lot on the book of Revelation in the Bible and take the numbers therein as symbolic apart from the 144,000 in Revelation chapters 7 and 14. One person asked me, as I was studying scripture independently of the JWs, why they took the number 144,000 as literal and all the other numbers as symbolic which really got me thinking. Also John 1:1 where they add the indefinite article “a” and state that Jesus is “a god”, whereas in Greek there are no idefinite articles so they have changed scripture there in their New World translation Bible for their own means.

Another really good scripture is Revelation 22:14 which states the great crowd are in heaven, which really helped me out as the JWs state that the 144,000 go to heaven and the great crowd stay on earth after the war of Armageddon.

I pray and hope Jackson’s brother leaves the JWs. A sure sign of a cult is indeed that they think they are the only ones to be saved and they start putting unnecessary burdens on their members. Jesus said his load is light in Matthew 11:30 which is certainly not true of the JWs. If Jackson can get his brother to read literature outside of the JWs, may I suggest Crisis of Conscience by R Franz (an ex-governing body member Bethelite), it sheds light on what really goes on at Bethel and the witch-hunt that he endured when reading the Bible independently and realising truths apart from the JW’s bible. He was a truly wonderful, gentle and knowledgeable man and thank God is now saved. God bless you.

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Samantha August 18, 2012 at 9:23 am

Im so glad I found this article. I’m camping right now smack dab in the middle of Amish land in northern Indiana. It makes you wonder if I missed something in the Bible and if I’m “English” can I truly be saved!! Then I realized that it’s Satan putting those doubts in my mind!!!! I’m sure the Amish have less pulling them away spiritually since they don’t have as many “worldly” temptations as we do. But Satan is tempting them in other ways!!!!!!!!! We all are saved if Christ is the center of our life, even if you drive a car!!!!!;)

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Jack Wellman August 18, 2012 at 5:01 pm

Thank you Samantha so much for your gracious comment. You are so right….we can be on a desert island and still be tempted by the enemy. Well said. My greatest concern is that the Amish are not in the world when Jesus prayed for the disciple that they are not of the world but still in the world and as such, they are not following the imperative command of the Great Commission of Jesus Christ, given 5 times to “Go into all the world to make disciples of all nations” and they tend to stay in their own little world. Even so, only 2% (latest figures) of evangelical Christians share their faith with others…and so we are not doing much better. Have a great camp out Samantha and thank you for visiting us. Safe travels.

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Cjel August 19, 2012 at 1:02 am

I would here say in response to preaching that evangelising orally is not the only way to preach the kingdom. I personally was attracted to real Christianity by the way some local Christians lived their lives to the Bible’s standards and seemed so different to the average person. This was preaching by their actions and as the saying goes “actions speak louder than words”. Also as the Bible says creation speaks of God’s glory, so that preaches to all humans every day. I think it takes greater faith not to believe in God than to believe in Him. Churches preach about God and anyone can go to one and join in. I talk about the Lord at my workplace and I am sure lots of Christians do which pastors do not get to know about. Also Christian media such as God TV brings the church into millions of homes by TV so I do think Christians are doing their part. God bless you.

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Jack Wellman August 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Thank you Cjel for your comment. As for “action speaks louder than words” being of human invention, I submit to you my friend, “faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God” and “how will they know unless they hear and how will they hear unless they are sent” and Jesus often said, “He who has ears, let him hear” so preach the gospel, and use words when necessary.

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Cjel August 19, 2012 at 3:14 pm

True but just because a human says something does not make it untrue or unGodlike and as we are made in God’s image true Christians are going to lead people by example and deeds as happened in my case and a good few other Christians I know. It is a fact that actions do speak very loudly and will often lead to discourse. I agree we should spread the gospel by mouth and am merely saying actions are a good way to start. Even if we do not see a person again in order to speak to them a kingdom seed will be planted by how we act in front of them and to them.

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Victor November 25, 2012 at 10:50 am

Cjel,you have now defended the Amish,because their actions definitely speak louder than words and as for them being seperate,even those that have never met them have thoughts about them & their way of living,as for you thinking they are A cult,that is fear,I know they are not perfect but they live A life close to the creation that was made that you speak about,sure they can do more ,but so can you.

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James September 12, 2012 at 1:18 am

If they believe in Christ, they are saved and will go to Heaven. But if they don’t use their gifts and talents and obey Christ, they will be punished by Christ on His return (Matthew 25:14-30), but still saved (1 Cor 3:15). . Jesus had a few things to say to Pharisees about holding onto man’s traditions, when they get in the way of what God’s plan and what He wants us to do. I feel the Amish can be in danger of bondage to religion and traditions of man. Yet their separation from the perils of the modern world (internet, TV, movies, Hollywood) can allow them to have more dedicated and intimate knowledge and experience of God.. just like nuns or monks.

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Christy September 12, 2012 at 9:24 am

In John 17 Jesus prays for the Father to not take his disciples out of the world but protect them from the evil one.

Mathew 5:13-16 says we are to be salt and light to the world.

For the above two scriptures to be fulfilled, we should not be locking ourselves away but be in the community spreading the Word by deed and word.

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Philip Blottenberger September 13, 2012 at 1:27 am

I can’t believe how many people who call themselves believers waste their time attacking the Amish because they aren’t perfect. I’m encouraged by the many things they get right, much of which the rest of Christiandom in the USA seems to miss altogether. At least their moral code is written from the scriptures instead of Dr. Phil, Oprah or a Hollywood film producer.
I’m a military person (just a job), and I’m continually demoralized the most by how little most believers know or even care to know about the Word of God, and how much they are just like the world. In some cases, absolutely no difference at all in the behavior of unbelievers and believers. Please, you Amish haters, try grounding your own flock in the scriptures before attacking others who are doing their daily best to live according to God’s will.
And to those who speak of traditions, well traditions can not save us from sin, but if traditions are helpful in keeping us unstained from the world, and helpful in keeping us focused on the Word of God, then there is nothing at all wrong with these traditions. The traditions of many of the believers I work with is to skip church for football on Sunday, go to the Dance on Friday and Saturday, and speak foul mouthed during the week, even cursing the name of our Lord.
And yes God did say Go into the world, but also remember that the church body is many members. The Amish are better gifted at serving Christ by allowing their communal lifestyle be a witness. Others are more gifted to serve Christ by articulating well the truth of the Gospel message to the unsaved. I embrace both as members of the body.

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Christy September 13, 2012 at 8:06 am

I don’t think anyone on this website is an “Amish hater” or attacking them but merely discussing their lifestyle when compared to other Christian styles. I am sorry you seem to have taken this out of context. Everyone is entitled to discuss scripture and how to live a Christian life, which I for one have been greatly helped by. As the Bible says flint sharpens flint.

I would highly recommend the BBC documentary on the Amish lifestyle quoted above. The family themselves said they were risking being excommunicated for merely have their daily lifestyle filmed (I would respectfully ask if that is loving?) Their church service itself was not allowed to be filmed which meant the general public could not get to see their full lifestyle/service to God which meant, with all due respect, that their lifestyle cannot be a witness to people as it is closed to general society. Every blessing to you.

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Philip Blottenberger September 13, 2012 at 10:16 am

Perhaps “Amish hater” is too strong of a word. No, I won’t watch what the BBC has to say about the Amish. I am aware of many of the Amish customs and the dangers of excommunication. The question I would counter with is how loving is it to have your daughters dress like undefiled women, or have your sons listen to the worldly beat, or both to get their values from MTV? So I certainly am not going to sit in judge of how the Amish attempt to remain unstained from the world. Now let me ask, if the idea is to discuss and learn, what can the rest of Christiandom learn from the Amsih. I think a lot.

I do ask you forgive me if I seem a little sharp, but when I work in a world where even many Christians have very little regard for anything biblical, I hardly find it worth the while to nit pick the beliefs of those folks who are doing a pretty good job keeping God first in their hearts and minds.

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Christy September 13, 2012 at 11:21 am

I would say in answer no one is judging the Amish merely discussing. I hope you have a happy life. It is a shame you will not view the documentary and see how repressed the family were. The lady of the house broke down in tears of distress at the end I was very moved. Every blessing

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Victor November 25, 2012 at 11:04 am

Christy they are not closed to General society,the Amish allow visitors to come to them all the time,in fact they even try to subsidize their meager existence by selling items they make,For sure they should not excommunicate people the way they do,but they value their way of living & if they did not have some guidelines in place & consequences for the actions they made,then others would do whatever they felt. In all we do in life there are rules;the ones made by man are laws & the ones made by God are morals & not to be broken.

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Victor November 25, 2012 at 10:56 am

Hey, I agree with you & I know that it is much easier to live close to God when you don’t have money,fame,etc. (just see the examples of Christ’s Followers) I know that the Amish should speak The truth with their mouth,but they definitely have the action part down.

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Cjel September 13, 2012 at 3:12 pm

For anyone who is interested type into John A Miller into google and then follow the 37 year link. This is very similar to what I went through in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I am so happy for John and his family and am looking forward to meeting him and his family in heaven. So thrilled for him. I admire the Amish for their discipline and tenacity, but like the Witneses they need to be freed from the fallacy of salvation through works and the additional unnecessary burdens their organisations have put on them. I like John was on a constant guilt trip even though I stuck religiously to the ‘rules’ of the JWs and was looked up to I always felt I would be destroyed at armageddon pretty much the same John felt about hell. He seems a great chap. Fantastic reading for anyone who is interested. God bless him! So happy to read this.

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Victor November 25, 2012 at 11:10 am

Could you be more specific about John A. Miller? I can’t find his works.

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Philip Blottenberger September 17, 2012 at 4:31 am

I most certainly do not agree with JW doctrine, but there is something to be learned from that organization. Their reading material is very effective and captures the imagination of the reader. The materials they publish are straight to the point about divisive issues that beleivers/non believers have real questions about. They make many truthful points that bible believing denominations seem afraid to talk about, such as the paganizing of the Christian faith which apparently happened during the reign of Constantine. Since many churches are too busy campaigning for the right candidate or spending all their energy trying to get the lost to behave like believers, there is little resource or time left to ground people in the faith i.e. why the bible is true, the Old Testament prophcies being fulfilled during the events of Jesus’s birth, answering textual criticism. When the true church fails to do these things, a spiritual void is created, and another false church is always ready to step in and fill that void.

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Cjel September 17, 2012 at 8:56 am

Since leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses the churches I have attended have all been Biblically sound and good at scriptural guidance and have had no interest in political involvement. I do agree that we do indeed need to be diligent about seeking out Biblically sound churches, as the Bible says Satan does masquerade as an angel of light and like a roaring lion seeking to devour someone. Plus we do need to be like the Boreans and put every teaching to the test to see if it is God-inspired. You raise a good point that we should associate ourselves with good, sound Bible teaching churches. God bless you.

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Steven May 1, 2013 at 5:09 am

Mathew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” This is what Amish are doing to non-Amish people. They are judging the entire world really witch is a wrong thing to do. I don’t consider them Christians at all. If you are a Christian then you believe in Christ. Even Christ did not judge us but instead tried to guide us in the right direction.(Judgement day witch is talked about in the bible is the end of the world when Jesus returns to judge us all) Has everyone forgotten about Christ getting nailed to the cross to save us all? How are you suppose to deliver the good news about God/Jesus if you can’t talk to none-Amish to educate them? The quote pretty much speaks for it self because Amish will judge us but now we judge them.

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Mimi May 18, 2013 at 4:21 pm

I don’t think that the Amish are born again Christians. If you check the website MAPMINISTRY.ORG or search for “Ministry to Amish People”, you will clearly see that they are totally a works based group. They have no assurance of salvation and live in fear that one tiny slip will cause eternal damnation. You can read the testimonies of many former Amish who have left their church and found the Lord. They do not routinely read the bible as the only one that is “approved” is written in an ancient form of German which none of them can read. One of the former members commented that the Amish are a people who NEEDs to be evangelized.

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Ritchie Christianson June 1, 2013 at 11:26 pm

Jack, I lived in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, the heart of Amish country. I have no doubt that many of the Amish have Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of their hearts and will be saved. But even though God has sincere people in all churches, all churches also have people who have not made the full commitment to Him that 1 John 5:11-13 requires. Jack thank you for your commitment to the cause of Jesus!

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cheri June 5, 2013 at 2:09 pm

I attend a church of christ and we do NOT believe if you’re not baptized in “our church” or attend another denomination you are going to hell. That is ridiculous! I’ve attended several churches of christ over the years when I’ve moved, and none of these churches believe this way. Be careful how you are judging others!

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Jack Wellman June 5, 2013 at 2:22 pm

Thank you Cheri for your comment. I never did say that all or even most of the Church of Christ churches believe that if you don’t get baptized in their church you are not really saved but I actually said, “There are many churches, like the Church of Christ (not all of them) that teach if you’re not baptized there in their church, you are not saved and thus going to hell or if you attend a church outside of their denomination then you are not saved.”

This statement is true. Many do believe this and teach this and are wrong. There are two who I spoke with in passing out Bible tracts in our town and the church pastor said I was wasting my time trying to share the gospel for “my” church but actually the tracts and door to door witnessing I was doing gave no mention of our church but about the plan of salvation as written in Romans 6:23, 3:23, Romans 10:9-13, Acts 4:12, 16″30-31, etc..

I am not judging others…I am only telling you what I have heard from former members and even one of the pastors in our city who used to attend and one pastor who still teaches and believes this so your experience of “none of these churches believe this way” must be unique to your area.

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cher June 15, 2013 at 5:14 am

if they are god fearing why do they run puppy mills

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Carrie June 16, 2013 at 8:51 am

I am neighbors with many Amish families. I cannot tell you how I value and at times envy their way of life. The fact that they have managed to stay separate from the world and the RAT RACE as I call it is an amazing and wonderful thing. They are truly about FAITH and FAMILY, two things the majority of our society has let fall to the wayside. Amish children are well behaved and respectful, another issue which has fallen to the wayside. They are self sufficient and don’t care that gas is $4.00 a gallon. They are not on public assistance and they take care of their own. I purchase eggs, flowers,and produce from the Amish, have good conversation with them and we exchange cookies and pumpkins rolls at Christmas. They practice their Christian beliefs everyday, not just on Sunday. I am blessed and thankful to have them in my life.

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Kevin June 19, 2013 at 3:10 pm

It’s not even a question. A works based religion is not Biblical Christianity. The Amish can be the nicest, hardest working people on planet Earth and yet those works are considered rubbish in the eyes of God. The Pentecost, the Temple, the Pharisees, Jesus’ work on the cross and his resurrection and the Gospel as preached by the Apostles all tell us the same thing–salvation is through the blood sacrifice of the Sovereign God of the Universe. Any other additions to or subtractions from that Gospel are demonic and the authors’ father Satan. I’m stunned and shocked that this is even a debate among Christians–and a pastor no less!

If the Amish have a works based belief system then it is not a Christian religion. It is no different than Islam. And the Amish need the Gospel of Jesus Christ: There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1). It cannot be more simple than that.

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patty August 12, 2013 at 11:14 am

I’ve always wanted to point something out to JW’s. The fact that Caiaphas wanted Jesus arrested because he blasphemed ! He had the oddacity to call himself GOD! Jesus forgave sins! Only God can forgive sins so sayeth Caiaphas and his comrades! So, what does this tell you JW’s? I believe your cult crucifies Jesus again with the same accusations!

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Brian September 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm

Matthew 6:33

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Jack Wellman September 15, 2013 at 6:13 pm

Ephesians 2:29

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Brian September 16, 2013 at 4:18 pm

there’s not an Ephesians 2:29

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Brian September 16, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Ephesians 2:9 I think that could be the one

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Jack Wellman September 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm

Yes, thanks Brian. Try Eph 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. “

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Bill January 13, 2014 at 9:54 pm

I would point out to all those folks who seem to think the Amish aren’t true Christians and are works based only the way they handled the horrible school shooting in Pennsylvania not long ago. If that was NOT Christ in them then I guess Christ is in NONE of us. They did not hold the mother of the shooter responsible and showed her love. They forgave the shooter and quietly buried their loved ones and continued living for Christ. We who point at them and criticize beating our breasts as if WE are the true Christians drop out of church, curse God, and “lose it” over the silliest little trials or disappointments in our life. And we have the huzpah to judge THEM? To criticize them? I admire them. I am Baptist denomination and many Baptist churches say the same things as some here…..the Amish are “works based”. I don’t believe it. Not when I saw and remember how they handled that tragic event of the shooting of their daughters by a deranged man. Nope. They have Christ in their hearts more firmly than many of us. I frankly am ashamed to admit I doubt I’d be able to handle it with as much love, forgiveness, or peace as they did.

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Ritchie Christianson January 14, 2014 at 9:36 am

On the subject of whether good theology is the basis of whether one is saved or lost, Jesus had something to say about that when he talked about His second coming in Matthew 25:31-41. When the Saints and the Aint’s are separated, there is no mention of denomination, Calvinist Vs. Arminian, etc. Salvation is VERY works based. Granted, the motivation for doing those works is based on good theology and a close relationship with God. Works & Faith are like 2 oars on a row boat. Toss out either oar and you spin in circles and lose your direction. James said it best, Faith without works is dead. Works are the basis of our salvation, but they do provide evidence that we don’t just talk the talk. We also walk the walk. In describing the last day saints God says here are they that Keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of Jesus Rev. 14:12

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Jan Christianson January 14, 2014 at 9:38 am

On the subject of whether good theology is the basis of whether one is saved or lost, Jesus had something to say about that when he talked about His second coming in Matthew 25:31-41. When the Saints and the Aint’s are separated, there is no mention of denomination, Calvinist Vs. Arminian, etc. Salvation is VERY works based. Granted, the motivation for doing those works is based on good theology and a close relationship with God. Works & Faith are like 2 oars on a row boat. Toss out either oar and you spin in circles and lose your direction. James said it best, Faith without works is dead. Works are the basis of our salvation, but they do provide evidence that we don’t just talk the talk. We also walk the walk. In describing the last day saints God says here are they that Keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of Jesus Rev. 14:12

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Alex Wynands January 14, 2014 at 10:27 am

NO WAY! Salvation is NOT works based,

” For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God” Ephesians 2:8

Salvation does not require works to happen, but we do good works out of gratitude to our Lord and Saviour. I do believe that “faith without works is dead” but this refers to the life after salvation – salvation is based on grace, the gift of God “not by works, so that no one can boast” Eph. 2:9

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Bill January 14, 2014 at 10:48 am

Absolutely agree, Alex. Salvation is a free gift from God. Even those who are saved, but have little works to show after their salvation – the “without works, faith is dead” are still saved.
We do good works because of the Spirit of Christ in us driving us to do so. NOT to obtain salvation, but rather BECAUSE we are saved. There are some religions and denominations which focus on the works as a means TO salvation, but that has it backwards. You can’t work your way in to heaven. It’s not through our own efforts we are bound for heaven one day. It it was, then the Law and keeping it would get us there. We are not bound by the Law, as NO man can keep perfectly the Law. Only by Grace are we saved. Still, not being bound by the Law but saved by Grace, we don’t throw out the Ten Commandments, do we? Nor do we cease good works, but magnify the fruits of our works because we ARE saved by Grace and His Spirit moves us to devote even more to His service and in His service. ALL Christian denominations have saved folks in the pews. And all denominations have un-saved folks in the pews. God knows who is, and isn’t and only God can bring the unsaved to salvation through convicting them and drawing them in. It’s the circumcision of the heart Paul speaks of. We do good works because Christ is in us, but all who do good works are not necessarily saved nor have Christ in them.

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Nigel April 4, 2014 at 4:07 pm

A person must have the witness of the Spirit to be a true christian. Read Romans 8.

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Wilma Elkins November 18, 2014 at 10:51 am

Wow! Interesting reading. If we all would do more praying and examining our on soul and walk with the Lord working put our on salvation with fear and trembling, and stop accussing and judging our brother and sister in Christ ,those that are truly born again and living for Jesus and start loving and acting like Christ and die out to our stinking flesh and walk in the spirit and have some discernment and accept them as brethren if they are saved and in relationship with Christ. Therefore my brethren there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus who walk after the Spirit and not the flesh. Whom the son sets free is free indeed. Many christian are still in bondage of their old ways of thinking and not having the mind of Christ. Remember old things are past away and all things become new and we get a fresh start when we t born again. A change takes place in our spirit. We all have to study and read and apply the scripture. We are in the world but not of it. We don’t have to partake of sinful and worldly activities any longer. It is a choice ,we have free will. Love is a choice. Christ chose to love and die for all and anyone who believes in him and accepts true plan of salvation of his death and ressurection and confess to him and repents then what I see in scripture they are saved. That does not give us a right and license to sin and live any old way . We are to depart from iniquity. Him that nameth the name of Christ let him depart from iniquity. We are not the judge but God said he gave this responsiblity to Christ the son. Its the Holy Spirit that convicts and draws us and God looks on the heart. You shall no a tree by the fruit it bears, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.its not what goes in but what comes out of man is he defiled, so we all are guilty somewhere of area in our lives. Sounds to me like Satan is sitting back laughing at some of the foolishness that Christians argue over and get in disagreement s over and cause contentions and seditions, which is works of the flesh. The fruit of the spirit is love,joy,peace,longsuffering,gentleness, goodness,faith,meekness,temperance, against such there is no law. Look into the mirror of Gods word and see what’s being manifesting out of ourselves before we make accusation. According to the word we are to only judge those within the body of Christ if they are in blatant sinand it has to be addressed as Paul did in CCorinthians chapter 5. Jesus must be sadden when he see’s his children fight and ague over things that has nothing to do with the plan of salvation and God’s love toward us, reminds me of what James wrote in chapter 4 …..read it. It might just do us some good if applied. We all still have to love like Christ taught us and like Paul explained in 1 Corinth. 13:1-13. God Bless you.

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Jack Wellman November 18, 2014 at 6:27 pm

Thank you so much Mrs. Wilkins. Love this. You are so right as my conclusion was that as long as they profess belief in Jesus Christ, that’s what saves a person. May God richly bless you for your encouragement and great biblical insight and theologically sound comment.

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